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Best foil for you. #2870561
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I bought my 70cm mast from these guys and they shipped it out super fast. They have really good foil info. If you're researching go check out some of their charts.

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Starting to see some MFC foils, been hearing about them for months but $1800 is way too steep.

Intrigued by the one piece carbon fiber mast/baseplate though.


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Delta and Lift are similar I think with one or two piece construction and super light.

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Last day out Jeff Clark was showcasing his new surf foil for F4, looked really good and he was saying the rear wing was designed specifically for smoother pumping. As an added bonus, maybe compatible with the Naish equipment.


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What kinda setup would you guys suggest for someone looking to get into foiling? If you had to do it all over again, what equipment would you buy?

I'm 6'3'', 185 lbs, been surfing for 20+ years, but no foil experience. Would be foiling in HDip's zone(s) mostly (sorry hat)


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Hah, no need to apologize. I'm 6'1" 185#. (down to 173# this summer when I was foiling 5 times a week)

I like my board from wcfc. I like the Naish foil to for that matter, but, if I were doing it again I'd go for the XL Naish wing. The Large is fine for our weight, but the larger wing will be much easier to pump. Everyone I'm seeing doing pumps back out for long distances are using the gofoil iwa which is a larger wing than the Naish Large according to that mackiteboarding chart. I did get some really long pumping runs today since it was half a foot and that's all I was working on. My legs are still wobbly.

Here's some good boards coming out of Hawaii.

https://www.instagram.com/freedomfoilboards/?hl=en

The nice thing about Naish is all the pieces are compatible. So you can buy a different wing and not have to buy a new setup. Gofoil you'd have to buy the whole setup with multiple wings at the same time or they will not fit right. Also, if you break something you can replace a part instead of the whole setup. That's what scares me about the all one or two piece carbon setups.

Hard to beat the price of the ride engine foil to learn on though. http://www.mackiteboarding.com/2018-ride-engine-futura-foil-set/

This has been on there for awhile and it is real tempting, but I'm not going to spend more money on this sport until I have to.

http://www.mackiteboarding.com/2018-delta-mega-surf-foil-set-used/

If money is no object, I'd probably copy the foiltheworld guy and go armstrong foils.


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The fact that you were able/wanted to paddle out today is all the confirmation I need that it's time to take the leap. Thanks for the info! Time to start the research computer


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Hah, no need to apologize. I'm 6'1" 185#. (down to 173# this summer when I was foiling 5 times a week)

I like my board from wcfc. I like the Naish foil to for that matter, but, if I were doing it again I'd go for the XL Naish wing. The Large is fine for our weight, but the larger wing will be much easier to pump. Everyone I'm seeing doing pumps back out for long distances are using the gofoil iwa which is a larger wing than the Naish Large according to that mackiteboarding chart. I did get some really long pumping runs today since it was half a foot and that's all I was working on. My legs are still wobbly.

Here's some good boards coming out of Hawaii.

https://www.instagram.com/freedomfoilboards/?hl=en

The nice thing about Naish is all the pieces are compatible. So you can buy a different wing and not have to buy a new setup. Gofoil you'd have to buy the whole setup with multiple wings at the same time or they will not fit right. Also, if you break something you can replace a part instead of the whole setup. That's what scares me about the all one or two piece carbon setups.

Hard to beat the price of the ride engine foil to learn on though. http://www.mackiteboarding.com/2018-ride-engine-futura-foil-set/

This has been on there for awhile and it is real tempting, but I'm not going to spend more money on this sport until I have to.

http://www.mackiteboarding.com/2018-delta-mega-surf-foil-set-used/

If money is no object, I'd probably copy the foiltheworld guy and go armstrong foils.

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What size board and mast do you guys suggest? Straight to mini-foil board or work my way down like K-uno? Seems like mast length depends on wave height/speed, bottom clearance, and your desire/need to pump for speed? I don't know. Longer looks more fun and better for pumping but maybe it's easier to learn on something a bit shorter like 55cm?

Given the expense, maybe it's better to just to buy the setup you will ultimately want to have and grow into it? shrug


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What size board and mast do you guys suggest? Straight to mini-foil board or work my way down like K-uno? Seems like mast length depends on wave height/speed, bottom clearance, and your desire/need to pump for speed? I don't know. Longer looks more fun and better for pumping but maybe it's easier to learn on something a bit shorter like 55cm?

Given the expense, maybe it's better to just to buy the setup you will ultimately want to have and grow into it? shrug


I'd ask Hdip since you're in the same area. I foil reef breaks, deeper water stuff so it lends for more options with mast length.

I'd recommend starting off with your comfortable fish dimensions and work down from there. You'll need alittle glide initially to get to your feet. With foiling, there's no time to dick around with getting to your feet, the sooner you're there, the more successful you'll be. The sooner feet planted, the sooner you take control of the wing. This isn't surfing a planing platform, this is flying that platform.

And find/buy a board with the plate/track system, tuttle box is a joke its like buying a surfboard with glassed on fins. Youwill find you can find a better sweet spot for you when you move the mast in the box.

Lastly, price. That old saying...you get what you pay for. I'd find a happy medium. Aim for the middle. Cheap is shyt, and top end may not yield much better than the middle of the list.

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oh, and that'll be $2,000 please. that's about how much I'm in to get that info.... toilet

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I bought mine from WCFC, they give $100 off the board if you buy them both at the same time. So $700 board and the 2018 Naish foil L wing was $1100. Plus tax I'm just under $2000. But I have since bought the 70cm mast. $170 or something.

Have you watched craigslist? I found steamroller's setup on there. I see a lot of foil stuff if you're willing to drive to orange county to grab it.

Naish 2018 vs 2019.


Quick search of "foil" for orange county.

This has the abracadabra quick release plate which will make taking the foil off the board easier. Naish Large for $850.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/d/2019-naish-surf-foil-large/6764912505.html

Full setup. Seems to be a really good price for basically the same setup I'm using, (I ride a 4'6") plus the medium wing. (which you don't need) WCFC 4'8" and 2017 Naish setup with 70cm mast. $1200.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/d/48-frequent-flyer-ryan-hurley/6753284663.html

This is probably to small for you, but the price is good. 4'4" for $500.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/d/foil-labfoilboard-surf-foil/6761618131.html

This is the brand Kuno rides I think.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/d/53-custom-foil-board-keith/6759184325.html

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I'll parrot what the WCFC guys told me when I was buying stuff.

Board size: If you start with a bigger board you're going to want a smaller board quickly. If you start with a smaller board it'll be harder at first, but you won't grow out of your board. For their frequent flyer's they say to get one that is similar to the volume you are currently riding. (I've noticed other foil companies have way way more volume in their boards, Luke Egan in one of the peter king video's says the board he was on is 40+ liters)
Mast size: Do you want to fall from this high (55cm) or this high (70cm).
On do they give out loaner boards: Just go punch yourself in the face over and over, that's what learning to foil is like. You have to want to do it.

What I've found since switching mast's is, I like the 70cm a lot better, but I'm glad I learned on the 55cm. For one you can surf much shallower water. This is important if you're trying to learn on tiny waves, which you'll want to be doing. Small waves break in shallow water around here. I hit the bottom way more just paddling when I'm on the 70cm. You'll be paddling for a wave and the water will suck out and you'll drydock. The foils are pretty tough, but it still hurts when you think how much you spent on it. Plus falling from a lower height is much better as you fall on every wave when learning. Try to keep the board in the water at first. If you start with the 70cm mast that'll be fine it might just take an extra session or two.

I surfed strand today and it was not surfable. There was a longboard guy who just paddled from jetty to jetty since there was nothing for him to ride. I was sitting on this one sandbar that was waist deep and then went into a big hole and caught a bunch of half a foot to two footers. I think I figured out some things I was doing wrong pumping.

PS: if you buy that full setup with the 70cm mast and it doesn't have the 55cm. You can borrow mine if you want. It just rides around in my car at this point.

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You guys are awesome. Thank you very much. I'll update when I pull the trigger. cheers


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If you want to get brand new stuff (or be able to put it all on a credit card) ordering online lets you save on tax and there are a lot of people selling stuff.

The slingshot foils look to be backward compatible and they seem to have cheaper parts when you want to upgrade or try new stuff.

If you have the cash, I would get a setup off craigslist as there are deals every week on lightly used Naish and Go Foils, with the odd Takuma Concept and Lift Foils showing up too.


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Wow was surprised when looking on CL in southern california, there's more on there than I'd thought.

Some deals on boards for sure. A new KT full carbon will run $850+ new on Maui. If you can pick up a used board for around $500 I'd jump on it. Almost all boards are build bulletproof, so most are in good shape. Not sure about the WCFC boards though, they look like they're made of PU foam with regular glass jobs and a carbon patch. I'd imagine those get deck pressure from pumping eventually.


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You forget how many rich people with disposable income there are in Orange County. Add that plus the steep learning curve for ten or so sessions foiling and used stuff shows up. I think a lot of people tried over the summer. Next year will be interesting.

The wcfc bords are glassed pretty heavy Im guessing as I abuse my gear pretty good and dont have any pressure dings really. I am running full grip though. Bought a big 30x30 patch on amazon cheap and cut it up.

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You forget how many rich people with disposable income there are in Orange County. Add that plus the steep learning curve for ten or so sessions foiling and used stuff shows up. I think a lot of people tried over the summer. Next year will be interesting.

The wcfc bords are glassed pretty heavy Im guessing as I abuse my gear pretty good and dont have any pressure dings really. I am running full grip though. Bought a big 30x30 patch on amazon cheap and cut it up.


Makes sense...you got a link for that 30x30 deck pad? Assuming it's cheaper than the $80 I had to spend for front and tail pads?


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Oops 20 x 20 rather. It was $14 bucks. Not currently available it looks like, but you get the idea.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HHNTK7Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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I'm tired of typing reports, sooooooo.

2018 Naish setup, infiniti tombstone board. $1400 Both masts.

https://ventura.craigslist.org/spo/d/naish-foil-set-foilboard/6743613078.html

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Its important to think about where you want to go with foiling. I wish I had, I wouldve saved some money for sure.

In my local area we get pretty short even on foilable waves in summer but we have 2 good things. Very strong Seabreeze pretty much every day during the summer and lots of rock walls and marinas. I know a guy here who put 2 and 2 together and came up with something epic.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq6yjv2nRr-/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ohz7wqsezone

Ive been riding a couple of different setups up to this point...both in the 1300ish sqcm range. They have been great for actual surfing and Ive been progressing nicely but Im riding shortish waves and Ive been unable to pump back out.

Today I got a Gofoil Kai-Iwa-M200 tripler secondhand. I went straight to the Iwa, and holy crap it changed everything for me. I pumped out twice on first couple of waves and loved it for surfing. It felt so drivey. Tried the M 200 and it was smooth as silk. So stoked, wish Id done it earlier.

Building a 4 board now too.

Well, Im off to work on dock/rock starts. Enjoy!

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Yup. A bigger wing and tiny waves seem to me now like the way to start.

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How is the lift profile on the Go Foil wings? Does it lift quickly like the Naish or does it require some backfoot pressure to start lifting?

Been thinking a lot about getting a used Go Foil setup.


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How is the lift profile on the Go Foil wings? Does it lift quickly like the Naish or does it require some backfoot pressure to start lifting?

Been thinking a lot about getting a used Go Foil setup.





Depends on the wing, the Kai definitely needs help as it's small.
Iwa doesn't need much help
M200 no help needed to get flying as it's huge


I've got plenty of footage with different wings on my YouTube channel
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Originally Posted By: grendel95
How is the lift profile on the Go Foil wings? Does it lift quickly like the Naish or does it require some backfoot pressure to start lifting?

Been thinking a lot about getting a used Go Foil setup.



Why not get a Naish XL wing? $531. Then review that for me so I know if I should buy one. smile

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yup... Hdip found my setup on craigslist....good thing too...really needed that big wing for a fat guy to fly


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You have the 200 Maliko also steamroller?

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yup Maliko200 99% of the time up to a couple feet overhead....any bigger and i go regular surf...only used thw Iwa wing in hawaii when that massive south swell last summer...


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Found you on Surfline rewind cam. Looks fun. Maybe check it Tomorrow late morning. If I dont hit a beach break instead.

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Naish large and a board thats not needed for $900

craigslist link click here.

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Nice !!

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I saw that post Grendel. I didnt post it here because it seems like so much overlap that price isnt worth it.

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Naish large and a board thats not needed for $900

craigslist link click here.


That board is a beast, I've seen one in person. big, bulky, heavy. I doubt you could get that thing flying even with a large wing.

I'd pass on that one.


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Nice !!



Handmade on Maui Jimmy/Marlon Lewis latest foil board. Very light and very strong.
Wings- Nalu, Kai , Maliko 160 , Iwa, Maliko 200

Back wings - Kai , Custom , Maliko
Tuttle box plate adapter -custom carbon fiber made on Maui by Mark Raaphorst
Custom mast 27.5 "
Like to sell as a quiver but willing to sell board and or Tuttle box plate adapter.
And wings and mast as a set



I'd be interested to see how much he'd part out just the board, mast, and Iwa/Kai tail combo. That's a custom "Super Fly" model that JL/ML are doing production/pop out models now. I like the outline, volume, width. I'd just go down from 5'2" to 4'8"ish. It'd be a good learner board.

The custom tuttle plate adapter by Mark Raaphorst fail. There's been 5 I've personally seen completely explode under stress. Marks design was to get them as light as possible, but the wall construction went too thin. They're actually foam core.

But like HDIP said, ALOT of overlap with that combo pack. You'd probably only use 2 of the 5 front wings, ever.


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i'll ask him about this, i've been reading the forum too much.

I'm 35, 165, 5'10 - is the 5'2 something i can learn on? I read a lot about how a smaller board is way easier to pump:

I'd be interested to see how much he'd part out just the board, mast, and Iwa/Kai tail combo...

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Agreed, that green board in the $900 dollar deal is gross. Seems to be a good price for the Naish Large though. Try to resell the board for $200 to make it a great deal.

That Dan Taylor board seems fine enough. It doesn't have the rails like most of the other foil boards that are popular. More of a normal rail it looks like. You'd be able to learn on it though for sure.

https://ventura.craigslist.org/spo/d/ventura-foilboard-and-go-foil/6786476165.html That's the 160 Maliko. Seems like the Iwa is the way to go though, so not sure that's a great deal.

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The 160 maliko is best avoided.

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That Dan Taylor is suspect. The track boxes appear to be without carbon re-enforcement. The amount of stress load on those boxes, I see them ripping out for some reason. My guess is why it's being sold. rolleyes



these are/were my boards

6'2" Jimmy Lewis
4'10 KT



Here's alittle cheat sheet when looking at prone foil boards....
* carbon re-enforced track boxes/ same for tuttle box (tuttle going to be obsolete in 2019)
* reputable experienced foil board maker/glasser
* no/minimal tail rocker- mast needs to be as close to 90' as possible, if not the platform/board will not fly flat
* pay attention to volume numbers, not board length (as much). the wing when paddling creats small lift which can replace board length. my 4'10 paddles like a 6' fish. I'm 6'3" at 198 lbs, my current volume is 38. may be moving down in length 4'8" and volume down to 36.
* cutting corners to spare money only costs you more in the long run. buying a foil mount stick on plate to your old beater board doesn't work. its like bringing a knife to a gunfight. if you're going to commit, do it right. buy used foils and new foil board IMO. because the new foil you pay retail for today is probably going to be obsolete in 6 months. buying used foils will get you in at almost half of retail. you pay retail for a board, you can almost get what you paid for it in 6 months when you progress down to a smaller board. foil boards typically don't get all beat up as the good ones are all carbon and bulletproof. my kt is in original condition and i ride it almost daily.


Hope this helps, PM me if you have questions. rockin

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Kaiser,
why do you think tuttle will be obsolete this year?

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As someone who blew out tracks on a standup before switching to prone, I will be sticking with Tuttle for a while. I know tracks are being built much stronger now, but spending 3 hours snorkeling for my foil (to no avail) is enough to scare me off.

Not being able to adjust the foil is definitely a weakness, but 4 screws total with go foil is great, and I have piece of mind.

Now if you'll excuse me Im going to go watch Blade Runner on Betamax.

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why do you think tuttle will be obsolete this year?


just my opinion. the ability to move mast is a huge plus. conditions and wing sizes vary alot, and also personal preferences vary too much to be locked into having the mast in 1 location. I've ridden many SUPs with different mast location and they all flew different. It was an eye opener when I went from a tuttle that was too far back to one that was more forward. forced into a position that makes the board not fly as good makes the whole experience lack luster.

I also think that board construction for the top brands are at a point where the tracks are solid. I've also experienced a tuttle fail on a SUP, punched through the deck. And I've seen others. These were hand shaped, epoxy, etc.. The carbon construction and sandwich molded seem to be solid.


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Adjust-ability, makes sense.

Kaser, I am riding DylanP's old JL. It has been great as a first board to learn on, great stability. Of course the tuttle box is fixed, but for a newb fixed is best for me otherwise I would be tinkering all the time and probably not really progressing.

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Pulling the trigger on a new board, what do you guys think of going over volume?

My 33L Tombstone catches waves easy, but is heavily glassed PU.

Freedom Foil Boards has a 40L board that is an inch shorter than my current board in stock, strinerless and all carbon. Should I worry about the extra volume for flying?


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I think it'll be as light or lighter than your current board. So that's a help. Plus an inch less of swing weight. I don't see the downside. It's not as if you have to sink a rail on a cutback.

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Hey steamroller or greg?

Need a good deal on a new SUP foil board? $300 for a kings 7'3"

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/d/san-clemente-foil-sup-with-helmet-and/6791678653.html

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Hdip youre my official craigslist searcher guy...found my gofoil and board combo in the first place...ik
im going for a 5'5 " sup next...
i think i might be good enough by now


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Hey k1, have you seen any Neil Pryde foils? I was just reading about them. Brand new for under $900. Probably gonna switch brands from Naish by next year.

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get ahold of Geroge Clout....he has/had stuff to sell....he had demo foils from ALL the manufacturers...and is unloading it all to jump on Armstrong....youe migh tget s3ime cheepish stuff....


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Hey k1, have you seen any Neil Pryde foils? I was just reading about them. Brand new for under $900. Probably gonna switch brands from Naish by next year.


I saw one at the beach yesterday. It was on a roof rack and didn't get a close look. Aluminum mast from what I could tell.

If you're at a point where you have it down, I'd drop the cash on Go Foil. All carbon, nothing gonna bend. To this date I've never seen any issue with their construction, mast, wings, nada. Granted it's what about 90% of the foil community here on Maui rides.

I've run over wood debris, hit bottom, etc...just scratches.

I'm 198lbs and ride almost exclusively the Iwa front wing and Kai tail. Sure I'll try other gear, but won't buy unless it'll out perform Go Foil. Nothing I've tried yet has done better. I've ridden Lift, Axis, and Naish.


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Hey k1, have you seen any Neil Pryde foils? I was just reading about them. Brand new for under $900. Probably gonna switch brands from Naish by next year.


I saw one at the beach yesterday. It was on a roof rack and didn't get a close look. Aluminum mast from what I could tell.

If you're at a point where you have it down, I'd drop the cash on Go Foil. All carbon, nothing gonna bend. To this date I've never seen any issue with their construction, mast, wings, nada. Granted it's what about 90% of the foil community here on Maui rides.

I've run over wood debris, hit bottom, etc...just scratches.

I'm 198lbs and ride almost exclusively the Iwa front wing and Kai tail. Sure I'll try other gear, but won't buy unless it'll out perform Go Foil. Nothing I've tried yet has done better. I've ridden Lift, Axis, and Naish.



Agree, the combo IWA/kai tail wing is one of the best foil : strong. light,safe and easy.
I would say it is the best foil for small wave.

I tried the Lift 200 and the MFC 1275, those two felt super nice, easier than the GF IWA for take off and for turns but not as easy as the IWA for pumping.

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Hdip's issue makes me further question sticking with Naish.

Always trying to save a buck...There is a Kai setup for sale near me, can I get the IWA wing from Go Foil? I hear I need to send the mast to them to fit it to wing.

Should I just wait for an IWA setup to popup?

Also considering the newest Slingshot setup, any reviews? Seem like the guys at Real watersports like 'em.

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Hdip's issue makes me further question sticking with Naish.

Always trying to save a buck...There is a Kai setup for sale near me, can I get the IWA wing from Go Foil? I hear I need to send the mast to them to fit it to wing.

Should I just wait for an IWA setup to popup?

Also considering the newest Slingshot setup, any reviews? Seem like the guys at Real watersports like 'em.


Not sure about the Slingshot, one of my friend working for a mag in France tried many foil for a review and he didn't like the Slingshot.
He said : GF IWA, Fone 1400, Naish L

Do not buy the GF Kai, you will not be able to find a IWA wing.

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Pulling the trigger on a new board, what do you guys think of going over volume?

My 33L Tombstone catches waves easy, but is heavily glassed PU.

Freedom Foil Boards has a 40L board that is an inch shorter than my current board in stock, strinerless and all carbon. Should I worry about the extra volume for flying?



We might want to check Brawner in San Clemente, that is waht I use, light and responsive.

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Cool Greg , I'll swing by there.

Is he making foils too?


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Cool Greg , I'll swing by there.

Is he making foils too?


Not really he used to have some china foil but I don't recommand.

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Wrote the guys at mackite about the used delta mega surf they seem to have up regularly (it's their 3rd one) They said the Naish fuselage's can typically be bent back. I might give it to my friend who works in a machine shop to see if he can get it back perfect.

I guess that's why the fuselage was the major change on the newer Naish foils.

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Mackite response comparing the GoFoil Iwa to the Delta Mega Surf.

Gofoil is a bit more durable, Delta is lighter, noticeably lighter.
Delta has some special order wings available, Gofoil has a whole lineup of wings to choose from on hand.
Delta is thinner and has a higher top speed, also requires a bit more speed for sustained glide. Iwa has more lift, will rise sooner and lower speed for sustained glide.
Delta is a bit more agile and responsive, Iwa is quite stable and requires more input for maneuvers.

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Mackiteboarding.com has quite a few demos for sale from Delta, Lift and Slingshot.

I would've jumped on one, but I got a good deal on the Naish XL wing set off CL.


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ooohhhh tell me how that XL works for you? I've had so much fun at high tide beachbreak the last couple days. Only made one 2 for 1 though so that XL wing tempts me.

Edit: Wow a delta mega surf for $1100. That's a good deal. Very tempting.

http://www.mackiteboarding.com/2018-delta-mega-surf-foil-set-used/

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Here's another good deal, clearing out 18 models

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I saw that last night too. They look interesting. If you're going that route you might as well look at gongfoils. Something like $500 shipped to your door. Shipping is supposed to be $100.

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Word down at Ka'a this morning, Go Foil RnD'ing new wing profiles, supposed to be thinner/faster and keep lift. Interested to see, cause those Signature wings are getting alot of attention here.



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Originally Posted By: grendel95
but I got a good deal on the Naish XL wing set off CL.


Quote from seabreeze SUP foil section.

For Naish Thrust wings, I recommend riding the Medium and Large neutral until you are competent. The XL and XXL like to be at least 1mm of positive (trailing edge up) trim and possibly up to 2 or 3mm depending on the conditions and level of skill of the rider.

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Word down at Ka'a this morning, Go Foil RnD'ing new wing profiles, supposed to be thinner/faster and keep lift. Interested to see, cause those Signature wings are getting alot of attention here.



Have you tried the Signature ? The only thing about those is the one piece wing/fuselage, it makes it expensive to get a quiver and hard to travel with.

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Word down at Ka'a this morning, Go Foil RnD'ing new wing profiles, supposed to be thinner/faster and keep lift. Interested to see, cause those Signature wings are getting alot of attention here.



Have you tried the Signature ? The only thing about those is the one piece wing/fuselage, it makes it expensive to get a quiver and hard to travel with.


havent' yet. one of the kids here has one i can try though. fondled an Armstrong this morning looked good. In between kai and iwa size. shorter chord, thinner wing, same over all curve/bend as go foil but exaggerated at the tip.


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Is that @Foiltheworld 's setup? He went on a plane somewhere and had 4 wings with him. Which wing was it? the 1600 I'm guessing if it's close to the Iwa in size.

Edit: I'll guess it was foiltheworlds setup, since you're in his instagram stories haha. He has a snapped fuselage in his stories too. I can't really tell what brand it is from the shot though. Not an armstrong though as he typed "no titanium".

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Too lazy to find and embed it, but check out Clout's insta (@gerogeclout) today for a nice video of a full yard sale in action.

Btw, I finally pulled the trigger on some gear. New Naish foil large and KT "Drifter Pro" foil board at 5'5''. Have only had the chance to get in the water for a few "flights"....although to be honest the more accurate description would be a few flails. There were a few waves I starting to feel the connection on though and it definitely gets easier/better every time out.

I look like the world's ultimate kook, but who cares. The fun factor and the buzz from learning something new are through the roof!! If you see a goofy looking middle-aged white boy flailing around the Malibu area come say hi and give me a heckle! wave2


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Here's one Clout makes.



Here's the yardsale. The comments he offers a reward if you find his foil.



I'm surprised at that as I've hit sandbars a bunch and seen the real water sports guys testing out the foilmount stick on baseplate by ramming into sandbars and no issue. I wonder if it's because he uses the 200 in waves which GoFoil doesn't recommend from what I've read.

Where in the Malibu area sizzld1? PM me if you want to meet up sometime.

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First few sessions were down at the northside of Zuma by Trancas. Also had a couple of quick and frustrating sessions at Sunslop trying to pick off waves under an army of sups and wavestorms...while also making sure I wasn't going to put anyone in a dangerous position on the inside.

My first session at Zuma got me hooked instantly. It was a perfectly glassy morning, dead clear water, 1-2 foot and soft. The first wave that I finally felt any measure of control over the foil (a very relative term given that I still have no real control) a little seal came swimming directly under me and all I could think was "damn, you have no idea how much danger you are in right now little buddy." monkey

I'd be stocked to meet up once I have my feet under me a bit better. Hopefully won't be too long. cheers


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Is that @Foiltheworld 's setup? He went on a plane somewhere and had 4 wings with him. Which wing was it? the 1600 I'm guessing if it's close to the Iwa in size.

Edit: I'll guess it was foiltheworlds setup, since you're in his instagram stories haha. He has a snapped fuselage in his stories too. I can't really tell what brand it is from the shot though. Not an armstrong though as he typed "no titanium".


yea met up with him this morning. he was alittle late and i was about done when he got there. i did see that tail snap pic, dunno if that was his or not. the harbor is deep enough where you don't hit bottom, that musta been either a structure fail due to flaw or maybe a wave did it when he lost his board. there were some punchy sets out there.


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How do you lose a 200? They float like bitch....

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The snapped foil picture foiltheworlds stories wasnt his. Repost of another account.

Zuma is where I started too. Really frustrating spot to learn though. I did a bunch of days at heavens. Its usually empty enough and the ones at lower tide that roll in off the kelp are long enough to get good rides on.

If youre not adverse to driving Ventura harbor has been real good for foiling the last week. The small ones at low tide today wouldve been perfect for learning. Just walk one or two peaks south of the surfers knoll parking lot. In front of the rivermouth is a bit shallow though.

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Got my XL wings!! But now I have to free all the bolts on my fuselage cussing

Already broke my large phillips attachment and ripped the head off one bolt...

Loosen everything after every session people!

Chuck Patterson paddled out today and I got to pick his brain a bit between 1 footers. He told me he's going to be testing the new Naish wings next week, hinted there is going to be a wing between the L and the XL.

Got one of his waves on my instagram while packing up.

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Hey Grendel,when you do get them out swap for hex heads. So much better.

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Chuck Patterson paddled out today and I got to pick his brain a bit between 1 footers. He told me he's going to be testing the new Naish wings next week, hinted there is going to be a wing between the L and the XL.

Got one of his waves on my instagram while packing up.


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Originally Posted By: Hdip
The snapped foil picture foiltheworlds stories wasnt his. Repost of another account.

Zuma is where I started too. Really frustrating spot to learn though. I did a bunch of days at heavens. Its usually empty enough and the ones at lower tide that roll in off the kelp are long enough to get good rides on.

If youre not adverse to driving Ventura harbor has been real good for foiling the last week. The small ones at low tide today wouldve been perfect for learning. Just walk one or two peaks south of the surfers knoll parking lot. In front of the rivermouth is a bit shallow though.


Thanks for the head up. I've been checking Staircase occasionally but hadn't really given Heavens much thought. Now that you mention it, it does seem like a good spot to learn. Same with Ventura. Always thought Shores would be a good area, but wouldn't have really thought about the harbor zone as much. cheers


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I started at the left on the North side of staircase actually. Ran into steamroller there once even. I found Heaven's to be better though. I've always thought that about shores too. With the big fat middle section would be good I bet. I only ever look at it when it's overhead though and dropping in on overhead waves on a foil is a challenge.

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Hey Grendel,when you do get them out swap for hex heads. So much better.


Done! Hopefully no more frozen components.

Got the XL setup and out today in small beachbreak as my surf window was during low tide.

Took me about 15 minutes to figure I shouldn't try to takeoff on the sets and moved inside to the real dribblers, this wing is a hovercraft.

So much fun in 1ft. waves. Truly a foot tall, the waves breaking outside were waist high dumpy closeouts with the inside barely breaking. The XL was eating up the tiny lumps coming in. Not super long rides, but way longer than anyone else that tried to sit on the stretch I was foiling.

As for the ride, I can definitely feel how some people say its "slower." It doesn't like a lot of heavy input, I bucked myself off plenty trying to get it flying on the takeoff as I would on my regular setup. About half an hour in I was able to get it wired, just let the wing build speed and make subtle movements.

I'm sure I would've had fun on my L wing today, but the XL could catch anything that looked like it would break.
Gonna try and beat the tide and get it out at the local tomorrow, hopefully see how long I can pump it!


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Nice. Just in case you missed it. Read the qoute above from seabreeze forum regarding how to trim the rear wing.

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Its been super small/weak down here in south oc lately. Have been trying to get the GF IWA to work for me. Got some lift/glides but wish that I had the bigger wing Maliko. I was too cheap when starting out to get the combo pack. Now regret it. any ideas or locations where I could buy just the wing?

Of course, if i get the wing i am sure swell will pick up so i dont need it.

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I really don't think you need the Maliko if you're trying to ride waves. I've seen Gregfoil on some super soft 1 footer's connecting 4 waves in a row on the Iwa.

That being said, GoFoil wings used to have to be matched in the factory to the fuselage. I'm not sure if that is still the case or not. I seem to remember reading that you could sand the fuselage to get them to fit. Read up on that before you spend money on a new wing.

Here is Ryan Hurley on the Naish Large, which is smaller than the Iwa, making it look easy in some weak OC waves. It's all about technique. You'll get it, just keep going.


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Hdip, true that. I have seen Greg down at sano. he is really good. I definitely need more time under my belt, have only been at it for a few months now.

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Keoki, I have the triple and the Iwa is probably my favourite wing overall but I do surf the 200 pretty regularly too. Im 80kg and proning.

Depends on your conditions I guess but at this time of the year my local waves a generally a bit of whitewash coming off the back of a dry rock....just enough to kick me in bum so I can get up and pump away..def 200 territory, but I can do it wth the Iwa too just takes better timing and skill.

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Not a bad deal for all this Naish gear. The stripped alan screw on the 70 cm mast to tuttle mount adapter might be an issue though.

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/spo/d/cardiff-by-the-sea-naish-thrust-surf/6812238762.html

It's hard to get excited about used gear when Gongfoil's are so cheap new.

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Can someone give me a reason to not buy a gongfoil?

https://gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.m...FOILALLSURFCPTL

400 shipped to my door basically. Brand new foil. The large wing is supposed to be 1643cm2 so slightly bigger than a gofoil iwa I think. Whats the catch here?

Side note. I think my naish rear stabilizer is about to break. It wobbles with very little pressure. Thats my reason for buying a new foil.

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Originally Posted By: Hdip
Can someone give me a reason to not buy a gongfoil?

https://gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.m...FOILALLSURFCPTL

400 shipped to my door basically. Brand new foil. The large wing is supposed to be 1643cm2 so slightly bigger than a gofoil iwa I think. Whats the catch here?

Side note. I think my naish rear stabilizer is about to break. It wobbles with very little pressure. Thats my reason for buying a new foil.


A buddy has got the foil itch and I am attempting to advise him. Coming up with the same conclusion: those gong foils are crazy cheap. Works out to same or cheaper than Alibaba, but for a recognized brand. (and maybe mentioned somewhere already, but take 20% off the website prices for non EU orders, no VAT)

Only hesitation is the scarcity of reviews and first-hand reports. This thread has good info, but have to be cautious of hype factor: https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/The-Gong-Allvator-SUP-Surf-foil?page=1

But all in all, I am confident these will work great and if I hadn't just bucked up for a Slingshot Infinity wing (which I do love), I'd probably buy one of these instead. Cheaper than my new wing with all the rest of the kit thrown in free. Only question mark is the ongoing cost of spare parts -- as I really appreciate Slingshot's dedication to interchangeable bits at reasonable prices.

I summarized Gong specs for my friend:
Large: 80cm span, 1643cm2 projected, 1926cm2 developed (latter I think is main comparative measure used)
XL: 90/1844/2137
XXL: 100/2175/2487

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I think the first is the reference number from the mackite thread where they list the brands they sell.

Naish large Im currently riding is 1236

Gofoil iwa is 1548

The link to that chart is probably on page one.

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My mate has just ordered Gong M, L, XL and a couple of mast options. Hasnt received yet but yeah...cheap and looks good. Ill have a go on it and post a review.

Sozzle from the design forum just got a Gong setup too.

Cost of spare parts looks great with the Gong.

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Originally Posted By: Hdip
Not a bad deal for all this Naish gear. The stripped alan screw on the 70 cm mast to tuttle mount adapter might be an issue though.

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/spo/d/cardiff-by-the-sea-naish-thrust-surf/6812238762.html

It's hard to get excited about used gear when Gongfoil's are so cheap new.


Thanks for the heads up. Just picked this up so that I can steal parts from grendel.

Now I can see how your fuse bent. Slingshot's tail wing attachment and hardware setup are way more robust. Too bad nobody's using their stuff over on this coast.


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Nice ghostshaper. Want to sell me one of the rear stabilizers for super cheap? &#128512;

How would I go about reinforcing the vertical bit in the rear stab? Is it like fixing a glass on fin? Or not worth the effort?

Edit: whoops I thought that guy had two rear stab's. Oh well.

Another edit: Think I could do downwinder's on this? Takuma concept 7'8". $350. Price seems good. Man foiling is expensive even with dirt cheap gear.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/spo/d/los-angeles-foil-board/6814217441.html

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yea there is starting to get a lot of options out there. Too many options for me and i start to get analysis paralysis. Was talking to Dave Daum from Kings and he was showing me his angled foil and explaining the concept behind it...crazy.

For now, my GF Iwa is going to have to do until i get much better.

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Gong wrote me back. Here's some more info on their foils.

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Our size M is the most similar to the L size of Naish, our span is a bit larger 70 cm vs 66 cm. So it has a little more stability and lift at lower speed. Our L size is more similar to the GoFoil IWA 170. It is a really maneuverable kind of foil, great in waves and also easy to pump for your weight and experience.

The XXLarge size is 100 cm span which it is similar to the GoFoil Maliko 280 and it is great for downwind or flat water pumping.

The delivery to you address in California it will be 111 for the Foil Complete L and 117 for the Foil Complete L + XXL Wing.

For the delivery to US we cannot precisely estimate the delay but it can take from 7 to 12/15 days.

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So take 20% off the listed price on the website, then add in the shipping cost to CA. Convert to US and that's the current price for a gong setup. I estimate it at $486.87 for the allavator 65 with L wing. The one problem is the size L is out of stock until the 20th of February. XL and XXL wings out of stock until 25th of March.

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HDip: thanks for taking the time to post this intel. Great timing, as my buddy seeking foil is asking these same questions, shipping time/cost, which wings for what, etc. I am advising him that if he just goes for a single wing, the L sounds like the best all-rounder. But if I was him, for the extra $200 or so, I'd get a M / XL combo ... the small wing / bigger wing combo covers off small waves and bigger faster waves. Plus he can use the M with his kite. The XXL would be fun too, but will probably get towards too much lift for anything other than really tiny waves. But at roughly $200 each, heck, buy 'em all ... I paid $500US for a single wing (Slingshot 84), can get a 3 wing quiver for same price, that's nutbar.

Keoki: me too, I get overwhelmed with availability, so I find the only way to cope is to just pick 1 or 2 brands and focus on their product lines. re: getting better ... you may find that investing in other wings, larger or smaller, may help you get better faster! I don't know IWA well, I get the sense it's a nice all rounder though. Which means a bigger wing will get you up so fast and easy, a smaller wing will lock in and go so fast. Spending the $$$ will solve all your problems and feel soooo good. haha, this sport is terrible! :-)

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i have the medium gong foil as clammy stated a few posts back, i haven't used it yet as i'm just about to shape a board for it to go on.

i'm 155lbs so the medium should work for me, i am slightly concerned with the uk waves being so slow with the smaller 'medium' foil so i've ordered the large too.

although i don't have any experience with any other foils to gauge against but it seems to be well made,

i wouldn't have a chance at foiling other wise so i'm stocked that gong have given the average guy a way in.

keep all the good info on boards and stuff coming fellas cheers

also, thanks clamsmasha for helping me get on this, super grateful for your help bowdown

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The gong potential is pretty rad. I paid $800cdn+ for a chinese knock off 15 months ago, now can get a name brand with 3 wings for the same price. That opens things up a lot.

My friend is undecided, I gave him the following analogy:
If foils are like surfboards, then the Gong L would be like having an 7.6 egg ... an all rounder jack of all trades that works decently in most conditions. It will work fine as your single board in medium surf.
But if you prefer to surf a shortboard/longboard combo, to have a better tool for small wave days vs bigger wave days, then maybe you would want a M/XL foil combo. Can switch up to smaller wing when the waves are bigger.
And if you also want a SUP equivalent, so you can ride virtually any tiny wave or even chase fun when it's flat, then that's the XXL.

Seem around right? What's that expression, "he who dies with the most toys wins", not sure about the dying part, but I like the toys

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I've only ridden one foil and been at it for less than a year. Maybe some of the other guys with more wings under their belt can reply to clarify it. I'm 6'1" 185#.

My one wing is the Naish L which is similar to the gong M. I use that foil in everything from tiny 1 foot to overhead. It works in all those scenario's on a 4'8" prone board. The reason I want a slightly larger foil is to be able to pump back out to waves easier. My technique is getting better, but I imagine it is easier learn how to pump back out and connect more 2 for 1's on a larger foil.

I don't ever see myself on the Naish Medium as that would be for larger faster waves where I'd just get onto a normal surfboard instead.

The only reason to get the gong XXL for me would be to learn how to do downwind runs. I don't currently have a board for that so I'm not totally sold. Just very interested.

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I have tried out a few wings now. Takuma V100 clone, replaced with a Slingshot Infinity 84 (like Gong XL), now also have a Slingshot H2 (similar to Gong M I suspect). I've also tried a Stringy prototype of his XL wing. I've only sup foil'ed so far, intend to progress to surf foil once it is dialed in. I am 5.9, 170#, and I wear 20lbs of rubber (5/4 hooded suit, booties, gloves)

The 84 wing gets onto the foil so easy that it's silly. I suspect you could flat water pump it for days once you have the technique down. The negative is that in punchier waves or bigger than waist to chest high, it becomes a handful to keep it in the water. Before someone chimes in about their top end with this wing, don't get me wrong, it is doable at higher speeds, but have to work at it. In contrast, the smaller H2/Stringy feel so nicely locked in at higher speeds. That size wing also works well for light wind kiting. I agree that a wing any smaller than that, it would be exceptionally challenging to surf foil, unless it was tow-in's in large waves.

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Seem like GoFoils are still premium prices compared to all these other brands. Is their construction and durability worth it?

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Main difference is GoFoil are all carbon. These cheaper foils are typically aluminum mast and fuselage. There are plenty of foils more expensive than GoFoil too.

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Main difference is GoFoil are all carbon. These cheaper foils are typically aluminum mast and fuselage. There are plenty of foils more expensive than GoFoil too.


Good point -- and if there's an all-carbon equivalent to Gong right now, I think it would be the Ke Nalu foils. At 50% off last year's stock, an all carbon foil for $700-800US is hard to beat.

But even beyond the carbon, GoFoil have kept their first mover advantage. Pretty much universally accepted as the pioneers, developing quality gear that can be trusted to work. I have full respect for that, even if I am personally not willing to buck up.

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Yea i have already sunk the cost into my GF IWA just being a cheap and envious when i see lower cost equipment out there.

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Gofoil being all carbon, it makes a big difference compared to aluminiun.

I never rince my foil and I have no issue with corosion.

It is lightweight and strong.

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Went back to the Naish large today.

What a difference! Quick and lively after riding the XL the last couple days. Most of my waves I was cutting back to the power, as opposed to pumping to stay in the pocket. Kicked out of a couple to try and pump back out, not nearly as much glide as the XL. Also felt I could correct a lot better with the L when going over turbelence, I would usually get bucked off the XL.

Very interested to see where Naish goes with the next iteration of Large wing.

Started using the windspeed app, felt faster today but the app said top speeds were nearly the same.

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Originally Posted By: Hdip


That is my back up board I'm selling it to get a new one.

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Nice. How is the bigger takuma concept. Theres a 610 on Craigslist. I was wondering if I could learn downwind foil (prone) on it. Im sort of off my gongfoil idea now though, so doubt Ill get a big downwind foil anytime soon. Waiting on clamsmashas review.

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The 6'10 is a SUP 6'10 x 26 so too wide to prone paddle.

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Gregfoil: your board is tempting. I have a chunk of eps foam with the intention of a diy project, but yours probably works out cheaper and it works! If I was in SoCal, it would probably irresistible.

Hdip: did you get convinced otherwise about Gong? if so, what was the decider? The price is so tempting, but there's still not much first-hand reports and reviews online. I am fairly confident they work great, but that certainty would increase with a whole bunch of people chiming "I have this foil, I love it, and I rip on it". :-)

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The L isn't in stock until feb 20th. Then the XL isn't in stock until march 25? Since those are the two I would want, I'm just waiting. I'm sort of turned off to it. There was one guy (seabreeze forum I think) that said he has the Naish Large and the Gong Large (gong large is bigger) and the Naish is way smoother where the Gong feels all the bumps.

I want to move up in my foil purchases, not sideways or back. So I'm going to hold onto the Naish at least until Clamsmasha gives a comparison of GoFoil and Gong when he get's a chance to ride one. Lift has become more enticing in my eyes this week. It's more than double the price though.

Oh also WestCoastFoilClub ordered me a warranty replacement of my rear stabilizer so that should keep me going for awhile.

To get into foil I'd say order a Gong L and get gregfoils takuma board. So cheap to start! Half what I paid. That boards not going to go down in value. Sell that in a year for the same price I bet.

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Yeh, Im not expecting my gong setup to be at all on par with a gofoil setup, for me its simply a super cheap way to get a feel as to whether foiling is something I want to pursue, then Ill throw coin at a gofoil setup.

Shaped a board today, came out pretty badly, foam size was too tight and I didnt really have a solid vision on some of the aspects but it should do the job for an adult learner,

waves have been real good but Im frothing for it to drop off which doesnt look likely for a while, the irony...

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Originally Posted By: sozzle
Yeh, Im not expecting my gong setup to be at all on par with a gofoil setup, for me its simply a super cheap way to get a feel as to whether foiling is something I want to pursue, then Ill throw coin at a LIFT, AXIS, ARMSTRONG or SIGNATURE setup.


Fixed it for you. smile When do we get new announcements from the foil companies?

Also on the Gong forum, there's a guy saying his Gong flies the same as his friends GoFoil. Hard to get reviews from people you don't know.

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Haha nicely corrected, i do like the sound of full carbon being low maintenance as Greg stated earlier, not much second hand market over here yet but Im keeping my eyes peeled for a good deal.

Clamsmasha will be the definitive tester for the gong having access to several brands of equipment.

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agree about the "reviews from people you don't know". I got convinced to buy my first foil after doing all the internet research I could find ... was influenced by two influential, credible sources who were both super stoked on it. It ended up being a decent starter, but not really ideal long term. Following it up after, I found both my relied-on sources had quite quickly moved on to others.

On that note, I watched some of the Fyre Festival documentary last night ... they paid $1000s to online "influencers" just to retweet or repost their hash tag. Got me thinking about all these online forums with the various ambassadors, employees, and owners pimping their product ... sometimes out in the open, sometimes hidden away. Have to be think critically about anything you read online ... but I am more interested in the subconscious opinion generating. I have a good feeling about gong because Hdip and someone else are stoked on them....but who are these people and why have I started to trust their opinions? Hmm.

anyways, back to the thread: I'd add Slingshot to the throw coin list. I am super stoked with the Infinity 84 wing, and now the H2 as well. They are heavy and aluminum, but strong and work.

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To be clear I've never ridden a Gong, nor seen one in person. What was your first foil juandesooka?

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What I heard from a good friend is that the Gong Foil front wing is pretty much a copy of the old Gofoil Maliko 160. So it should work but definetly not as good as an IWA or M200, just the weight makes a huge but not only.

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To be clear I've never ridden a Gong, nor seen one in person. What was your first foil juandesooka?


Heh, not going to let me get away with the evasiveness, eh? ;-) At the time, there were no other options than the GoFoil, and that price point (especially in cdn $) was beyond reason for me, for something that was an experiment. My initial plan was to DIY a sup foil similar to my stringy kitefoil: a piece of g10, twice as big, 1300cm2, carved into wing shape. It would be heavy as hell, but I am still confident it would work. But my concern: I would have no way of knowing if initial struggles were just from being a noob or the gear not working. So I decided to buck up for something at least somewhat proven.

I bought a Chinese clone of the Takuma V100 ... aka Cha-kuma. I was too chicken to buy anything off alibaba without a first hand report. The posts online were correct: it was the exact same foil, just without the branding. And that v100 worked great as a beginner sup foil: easy early lift, very stable. But it was limited in glide, needed some power to get going, and had low top speeds. At the time the v100 was marketed as "the biggest easiest wing available!" at I think 1300cm2. But then 18 months later GoFoil is selling a 2800cm2 wing and the standard "big' wing is 2000cm2! Suddenly it is medium low in size.

The decider for me was a day where a guy on a Maliko200 was catching tons of waves no problem, and I just couldn't get into them. So frustrated. I decided that evening to invest in a Slingshot Infinity 84, and have not regretted spending the $$ ... so stoked in its performance.

Reflecting back to the decision to buy the Chakuma: I sweated bullets, as the $800cdn was a lot of money to me (though I know it's joke level cash to all you gofoil early adopters). I had a couple first hand reports from people who were stoked on them, especially for low wind kiting, but also for sup. My hesitation was that none of the online videos showed anyone "ripping" on them the way the gofoil videos did.....was that lack of pro riders, lack of a marketing effort, or is it a foil that really doesn't rip? Dunno ... but I find those are the same questions right now for Gong. There's just not enough first hand reviews yet from people who are crazy stoked on them. And there's a lack of high end videos that shout "OMG I want to do THAT". Back to my point about influencers: how are we deciding what is the "right" foil for us, while filtering out the rest? If you think hard on it, you might be able to remember back to some brief video glimpse of a guy getting a 10 for 1 or a 5km downwinder or an aerial flip or even just a single hard carve off the lip ... and you subliminally decided that if he can do that with XYZ Foil, maybe I can too. Brand interest is born, maybe with time it becomes brand loyalty.

And as for the brand pimps online, whether they are paid in cash, paid in product, or just true believers stoked on the product ... I remember back to a friend's comment, "it's not that I am against selling out, it's just that no one has offered". :-)

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I guess the best thing is to try before you buy.
I wish I could try the Signature and Armstrong, those foils look really interesting,
And lets see what Gofoil is going to bring next.

One thing for sure is I have no regret about spending my money on the combo Gofoil, it was worht it and everytime I try something else I always go back to my Gofoil. For SUP the IWA is probably the best foil you can get in the market. For prone, the IWA/kai tail is also one of the best, especially on small wave. The IWA being quite big and thick, it is super fast.
I haven't seen anybody being disappointed with Gofoil expect for the Kai (not for everybody).

Now I wish there is a new wing coming up, something between the Kai and the IWA for prone.

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juandesooka you nailed my experience to a T

I opted for a cheap locally made foil, but I was always going to get on a Naish setup because of the WCFC.

Disclaimer: I would probably be on a Go Foil IWA if I had stumbled on the the erbb foil thread sooner. Kaser is a pretty good salesman.

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Originally Posted By: grendel95
...I was always going to get on a Naish setup because of the WCFC.



Speaking of influencers! I bet Naish sold quite a few foils as those videos went viral and #loyaltothefoil became a thing. There's not many other mass media types who have crossed the line into cool with surf/sup foiling.

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Originally Posted By: grendel95


Disclaimer: I would probably be on a Go Foil IWA if I had stumbled on the the erbb foil thread sooner. Kaser is a pretty good salesman.


Thanks, but I really want to NOT like Go Foil as I'm in the mecca of foiling right now and see alot of different brands here in the water on Maui that peak my interest. I see and hear feedback from the every day Joe riding different gear, and get to see their performance. You can see what flies good and what doesn't, even when a novice is riding.

With that said, there are 3 that I've not tried that I'd be interested in...the Signature, Armstrong and MFC.

Here's Kane's (Maui grom ripper) IG proof of performance for the Signature...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtWh76ynejz/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs1ULPFHPIt/


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Originally Posted By: gregfoil
I guess the best thing is to try before you buy.
I wish I could try the Signature and Armstrong, those foils look really interesting,
And lets see what Gofoil is going to bring next.

One thing for sure is I have no regret about spending my money on the combo Gofoil, it was worht it and everytime I try something else I always go back to my Gofoil. For SUP the IWA is probably the best foil you can get in the market. For prone, the IWA/kai tail is also one of the best, especially on small wave. The IWA being quite big and thick, it is super fast.
I haven't seen anybody being disappointed with Gofoil expect for the Kai (not for everybody).

Now I wish there is a new wing coming up, something between the Kai and the IWA for prone.


Go Foil, well not in production yet, does have a in between Kai/Iwa that I have access to. As it's not a smaller surface area, it is a thinner foil that goes noticeable faster. One of the loyalist had his Iwa thinned out and he says he loves it. Not sure I'd do it as I'm pretty happy with the pump out ability of my Iwa, getting 3 and 4 for 1's is alot of fun. Risking losing that for gain in speed isn't worth it in my opinion...for now.

On another note...recently spent some time foiling with one of the _______ crew that originally was on Go Foil and switched to AXIS. He said he missed the performance of the Go Foil Iwa. Said the AXIS doesn't carry lift in the turns. Says he's always digging rail and also can't pump back out as efficient for the 2 for 1's.

With that said, I think AXIS may have the biggest option in wings, masts, and fuselage. Is it overkill? Maybe if all you're doing is foiling in the surf.


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Gong just got somehow even cheaper. The naish mast fits it. Made in the same factory. Basically the same. So Id just need to buy gong wings and fuse. Ugh. Hard to pass it up.

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Originally Posted By: Hdip
Gong just got somehow even cheaper. The naish mast fits it. Made in the same factory. Basically the same. So Id just need to buy gong wings and fuse. Ugh. Hard to pass it up.


Gong has been doing the business plan for a long time, making really small marging but trying to flood the market. I guess business is business... and it makes some customers happy.

I foiled 2 days ago with two guys (not the WCFC crew) at Sano and they were riping on their Naish L, doing huge carves and pumping back out riding multiples waves. That was the best foil surfing I've seen but the waves were so perfect, it was 3ft long wall barey breaking so perfect for foiling.

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Lets go learn rock starts in the rain today Greg. Ive got the spot for it in Malibu. Maybe even get some downwind bumps too.

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Originally Posted By: Hdip
Lets go learn rock starts in the rain today Greg. Ive got the spot for it in Malibu. Maybe even get some downwind bumps too.


No sorry no foiling today. You need to come to Sano one day !!

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What we shoud do is organize a foil demo day, everybody would come to talk about foil, switch gears, try out everybody's foil and boards, involve the brands, etc...

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It was terrible today. The windswell was going into the rocks I wanted to try rockstarts from anyway. I got tossed on a bunch of waves at county in an hour. Made 2. *eh*

I'd be down for that. Tell me a normal San O day schedule. Do you have to get there before sunrise to get in the gate? I would have to talk my wife, 4 and 6 year old into a day like that. I think it's possible though.

Edit: Since Scott Bass is talking about learning to foil on Spit podcast we'll have to send him the info.

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Originally Posted By: Hdip
It was terrible today. The windswell was going into the rocks I wanted to try rockstarts from anyway. I got tossed on a bunch of waves at county in an hour. Made 2. *eh*

I'd be down for that. Tell me a normal San O day schedule. Do you have to get there before sunrise to get in the gate? I would have to talk my wife, 4 and 6 year old into a day like that. I think it's possible though.

Edit: Since Scott Bass is talking about learning to foil on Spit podcast we'll have to send him the info.


I will let you know next time I'm going there, its nice to spend the day with the family when the weather is good.

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Greg is that your Takuma wing for sale?

I might be interested...


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takuma fuselage works with Naish mast too btw I think.

Dang greg you're offering up some good deals. Why didn't you post that with the board you were selling. Or maybe I just missed that. I could've talked my brother into picking up that as a set.

Bring it to Malibu dawn patrol tomorrow for a test ride? smile (I broke my rear stabilizer off completely yesterday and am foil-less until the new one is delivered Tuesday)

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Whoa Hdip! you hit a rock?


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I think it cracked originally when I bent my fuselage a long time ago. I've narrowed that down to kicking out of a wave and jumping off the board. But the board turned under me and my hip landed on the board as it was at an angle and drove the tail into the sand. Rear stabilizer has been wobbly the last couple weeks. WCFC is warranty replacing it. So I started riding it even though it was weak. It finally snapped off yesterday. I think on a shallow duckdive where the board got ripped out of my hands

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Originally Posted By: gregfoil
What we shoud do is organize a foil demo day, everybody would come to talk about foil, switch gears, try out everybody's foil and boards, involve the brands, etc...


Heck, I might even fly down for a day like that ... THAT is how nerdy and obsessed I am getting by this sport. LOL

I am up here on Vancouver Island, there's a few people giv'n'r with the surf/sup foil, then a few people expressing interest, that's about it. We are now building DIY boards from looking at the photos, never having even seen one in person. Kook central, but having no tons o' fun.

Would be pretty awesome to be down there, see the design revolution in person, figuring things out daily or weekly or monthly. Same with Maui, or maybe even more.

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Originally Posted By: grendel95
Greg is that your Takuma wing for sale?

I might be interested...


Sorry grendel, I picked up that foil and a board from him today. It sounded like he might have another one though so keep on him. smile

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Sorry grendel, I picked up that foil and a board from him today. It sounded like he might have another one though so keep on him. smile


Haha no worries, ride it and let us know what you think!


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Want to learn to foil and are around 160ish pounds? WCFC 4'4" 30 liters and 2018 Naish Large. $1285 Just the foil for $800.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/d/seal-beach-hydrofoil-foil-board/6828227592.html

If you weigh more than 160ish you can get a board with a lot more volume here. 5'2" WCFC with 39 liters. $650.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/d/newport-beach-hydrofoil-surfboard/6806687088.html

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Rode the proto today. Tried 3 tail wings, 2 were kismet.

The revolution is happening.



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Oh yea, and sell all your foil shit, this new gear gonna make you look like a rock star.


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Originally Posted By: Kaser1
Rode the proto today. Tried 3 tail wings, 2 were kismet.

The revolution is happening.



Looks interesting, where does that wing fit into the quiver?

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So more like the signature high aspect wings? Do they pump like crazy?

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So it is the same idea as the Albatross wing from Signature.

How was it ? We need more details !!

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Originally Posted By: Kaser1
Rode the proto today. Tried 3 tail wings, 2 were kismet.

The revolution is happening.



Looks interesting, where does that wing fit into the quiver?


This may BE the quiver. jam_on


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So more like the signature high aspect wings? Do they pump like crazy?


Yes and yes wave2


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Originally Posted By: gregfoil
So it is the same idea as the Albatross wing from Signature.

How was it ? We need more details !!


Fastest wing I've been on so far. I had to use a 29.5" mast and with my 3" lift kit/plate adapter, this bugga stood tall at almost 33". I normally ride a 24" with the +3". So the turning, pumping, etc.. were different. I felt if I was on my normal mast things would have been more familiar.

Ok so set that aside, the wing performed really well. Was able to roll easier than I thought. I have the 200 and it's a beast to handle. I think the shorter chord helps. I was able to turn hard enough to get the tip outa the water, and didn't lose any lift and crash like on the Iwa when I push it.

The pump out was alot easier also, because the wing had less drag, the thing would scoot when you pushed it.

Also, wasn't crazy lifty. You can take late drops without getting bucked as much. Seems like it wants to maintain altitude where ever you have it.

I'd really like to see how it does in bigger surf....head hi +. If it can handle, this may be the one wing quiver.


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ok enuf teasing, so when is production?

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Originally Posted By: Hdip
The production is right now. Just buy a Signature Albatross smile

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Mmmmm, maybe not. @kdmaui has snapped 3 of their masts already. Word around the campfire says the quality coming outa China is having some issues. Just sayin...

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I'm just messing around. I don't even know if that Signature foil is available for purchase. That style wing looks amazing though. Any pictures of it next to your Iwa? What's the size? Is it 2000cm2 like the other "200" GoFoil makes?

Ghost edit: Why don't you do downwinders?

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I heard those shape of wing don't turn good but they glide much better, no need to pump as much.

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Originally Posted By: Hdip
I'm just messing around. I don't even know if that Signature foil is available for purchase. That style wing looks amazing though. Any pictures of it next to your Iwa? What's the size? Is it 2000cm2 like the other "200" GoFoil makes?

Ghost edit: Why don't you do downwinders?


I didn't get a pic of the side by side, should have. Just about everyone that has ridden this new wing, and there's about 8 that I personally know say that want one. Alex said he might make a small batch here on Maui. I'd pony up the dough for sure.

I've done them, doesn't really excite me though. I'd rather surf.


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Originally Posted By: Kaser1
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I'm just messing around. I don't even know if that Signature foil is available for purchase. That style wing looks amazing though. Any pictures of it next to your Iwa? What's the size? Is it 2000cm2 like the other "200" GoFoil makes?

Ghost edit: Why don't you do downwinders?


I didn't get a pic of the side by side, should have. Just about everyone that has ridden this new wing, and there's about 8 that I personally know say that want one. Alex said he might make a small batch here on Maui. I'd pony up the dough for sure.

I've done them, doesn't really excite me though. I'd rather surf.


Do you still use the same tail wing with the new front wing ?

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When you say "I've done them, doesn't really excite me though. I'd rather surf." are you meaning that they are really for downwind not surfing?

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I think he just means he's done downwinders and he's not that into them. Don't think his comment was related to equipment performance.


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Originally Posted By: gregfoil
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I'm just messing around. I don't even know if that Signature foil is available for purchase. That style wing looks amazing though. Any pictures of it next to your Iwa? What's the size? Is it 2000cm2 like the other "200" GoFoil makes?

Ghost edit: Why don't you do downwinders?


I didn't get a pic of the side by side, should have. Just about everyone that has ridden this new wing, and there's about 8 that I personally know say that want one. Alex said he might make a small batch here on Maui. I'd pony up the dough for sure.

I've done them, doesn't really excite me though. I'd rather surf.


Do you still use the same tail wing with the new front wing ?


I tried the tail wing AA had on his rig already. Was flat and super flexy. Didn't like at all. Just happened to fit my Kai and Iwa cut tails on his mast and tried those worked much better.


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Originally Posted By: sizzld1
I think he just means he's done downwinders and he's not that into them. Don't think his comment was related to equipment performance.


THIS^^^^


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i am just starting to enjoy my stock GF IWA setup, but I am only a few months into this new ride.

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Originally Posted By: keoki
i am just starting to enjoy my stock GF IWA setup, but I am only a few months into this new ride.


The Iwa is my fave. Was going so fast on it last night, I did a half scorpion when i breached on a bump.

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Lift glide 200. $1145. That's $55 cheaper than mackite is selling a used lift for.

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Swapped between the Naish XL and L wings last couple sessions.
XL is great for pumping, but it's a beast to try and surf in comparison to the L wing.
I don't see any benefit of the XL over the L for prone wave catching, the wave still has to break to get going. If it's breaking than the L catches waves just as well, even easier, than the XL.

Yesterday the gate at my local was locked so the usual crowd was non existent and I opted to try foiling the "surf" spot while no one was out. Forecast was 1-2 foot so I brought the XL. I figured out pretty quickly the mushy waves were still breaking top to bottom and I was getting bucked off on the XL most of the time. Didn't help that the swell was pretty crossed up, the XL feels every ripple.

Got Ghostshaper out this morning, 1-2 foot but cleaner and soft breaking at the usual. Not much power for turning today, but plenty of practice pumping down the line to the next section. Had pretty good speed kicking out to get a 2 for 1 a couple times, but I still don't have the timing to hold the speed.


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Looks like I'll be getting the new flat wing proto sooner rather than later applause2 jam_on dancing


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So you're basically sponsored now? Flow rider. I expect a foil setup to ride if I come to Maui next year so I won't have to bring my own board then. smile

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Originally Posted By: Kaser1
Looks like I'll be getting the new flat wing proto sooner rather than later applause2 jam_on dancing


Lucky !

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So you're basically sponsored now? Flow rider. I expect a foil setup to ride if I come to Maui next year so I won't have to bring my own board then. smile


Oh yea, no worries about that. Plenty gear we can get our hands on. So many underground guys here too making their own wings and boards that are more than willing to share. socrazy


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dammit!....im already got tix to go maui in may first weekend and week...when os this contest?...i can do 6 for ones but cant be on tv would have to be SICK&#129326;


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dammit!....im already got tix to go maui in may first weekend and week...when os this contest?...i can do 6 for ones but cant be on tv would have to be SICK&#129326;



Dunoo what the dates are yet, let you know.


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I don't really get it, I mean what is the point of this competition ? Nathan the young ripper can ride 50 waves non stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXbmPpnVyEo

But we will see maybe it is a good idea. For me the connection needs to be done with a lot of speed to be able to carve.

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Caught about 20 waves. Didnt die. Shins and thigh might be pretty bruised.

Dont feel like making a new thread. Thats my buddy from Kauai who just had his first ever session. Its sweeping the nation!

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heard lots of rumors... there might be weight classes and board classes... Little guys on prone boards can do whatever the hell they want fly all over the damn place .... But big guys on prone and especially big guys on Sups we got to work like hell to get back out that's going to be the challenge anybody over 200 pounds it's a whole different ballgame


kaser i thought you already had the new flat wi.ng...when you get it do a couple of runs on a SUP...im dying to know how it works for a big guy on a SUP&#128512;


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Originally Posted By: Steamroller
heard lots of rumors... there might be weight classes and board classes... Little guys on prone boards can do whatever the hell they want fly all over the damn place .... But big guys on prone and especially big guys on Sups we got to work like hell to get back out that's going to be the challenge anybody over 200 pounds it's a whole different ballgame


kaser i thought you already had the new flat wi.ng...when you get it do a couple of runs on a SUP...im dying to know how it works for a big guy on a SUP&#128512;


I had a tester for a couple sessions. Alex said he's gonna make me one...hope it's done soon bowdown


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https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/d/san-clemente-go-foil-iwa-hydrofoil/6841111521.html

GoFoil Iwa for $799. That double wing set is still for sale too.

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Alot of used gear out there here in HI. You can get a full rig, board and foil under $1k. dancing

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Yeah but its for all islands and confusing. Thats why I post links to specific deals and include the price. Even after they sell you can find an average price hopefully so new people can see if theyre getting a good or bad deal.

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Any news on prototypes for 2020?

A few guys at my local have gone back to Naish L wings over newer tech wings, tired of "working" and going back to having "Fun."


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Out of curiosity and in hopes of winning the lottery I emailed with signature. For me at 185# 6’1” prone surfing for a year they recommended the albatross 210 with a 750 mast. It would be roughly $1850 then 2-300 shipping to Los Angeles. Two to three week wait.. They said it’s good for the waves and the good pump makes it good for downwind also.

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Originally Posted by Hdip
Out of curiosity and in hopes of winning the lottery I emailed with signature. For me at 185# 6’1” prone surfing for a year they recommended the albatross 210 with a 750 mast. It would be roughly $1850 then 2-300 shipping to Los Angeles. Two to three week wait.. They said it’s good for the waves and the good pump makes it good for downwind also.


I did the same, really expensive. I think getting a used iwa gofoil for $800 is probably better.

I think we should see new good foils coming up before summer, Gofoil,I heard about a new Lift wing, Fone has got some nice foils as well, Cloud nine etc...

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vid on the armstrong foils, some pretty generic info at parts but very nice looking gear indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBixPDCA4No

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I go out of the country for a little bit and everyone forget's to post new content. smile

Here's some info on the new Axis high aspect wing. I wanted to figure out the pricing.

440 Rear Wing Box $841
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Total $1444 before tax

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I go out of the country for a little bit and everyone forget's to post new content. smile

Here's some info on the new Axis high aspect wing. I wanted to figure out the pricing.

440 Rear Wing Box $841
900 Front Wing $495
75cm Mast $108
Total $1444 before tax



I heard it is really good.

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I go out of the country for a little bit and everyone forget's to post new content. smile

Here's some info on the new Axis high aspect wing. I wanted to figure out the pricing.

440 Rear Wing Box $841
900 Front Wing $495
75cm Mast $108
Total $1444 before tax



I heard it is really good.



I've had 2 friends go to Axis and come back to GoFoil, they don't pump as good.


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As good, or just different? Also that price is for the new high aspect wing. AKA pump wing as GoFoil calls it. So not really an apples to apples comparison I bet. (As I see it, they're all trying to compete with a signature albatross which is from what I can find online, the best pumping wing)

I don't know the answer's to any of those questions. I've only ridden one foil. The only other foiler's I know personally are Greg and Steamroller who I've seen in the water maybe 2 times each. (I don't count my sessions in the water with Laird as knowing him haha) You have access to a lot of stuff on Maui, yet you only ever talk about your personal gear, or prototypes you've been lent. Where are the other foil reviews? I'd love pro's and con's from your viewpoint of other stuff. Not fanboy reviews, just honest pro's and con's.

I was hoping foiltheworld would be able to provide that when he did a MFC unboxing video, but then he didn't even ride the thing from what I could tell.

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I like my Gofoil, but I like it more after cutting bits off the stabs and moving to the 29.5” mast. Without doing a bit of DIY, the ardour would have waned a while ago. I’m committed now, no turning back.

I can see how the high aspect wings would be a huge improvement in some respects, and I will either make one or refuckulate an Axis 900 onto my setup if the Gofoil one doesn’t come soon....

Regarding the Axis foils...I haven’t ridden yet, but I have a couple of friends who are very good across surf foiling, and downwinding on sup and prone boards. They started when the Gofoil Kai was the only option and moved on to the Iwa and 200.

They have moved to Axis, and it seems like you can’t give Gofoil sets away atm. Nobody here is downwinding them, and the smaller Axis wings are highly regarded in the surf ... The reasons, which I can relate to are that the Gofoil wings are blimpy and very aggressively lifty and get scary and uncontrollable in downwind conditions (or spicey surf).The Axis is a bit harder to get on the foil but is smoother and more dependable at high speeds, or so I’m told. It is nice to be able to change between more than 2 mast sizes too, and the Axis setup is super stiff. Lots of wings to choose from and stabs too. They pump just fine, you just have to get used to them.

Both the setups I’ve talked about have pros and cons, and their own personalities. Seems to me enjoyment of foiling is all about physics, fitness and disposable income..

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Originally Posted by Hdip
As good, or just different? Also that price is for the new high aspect wing. AKA pump wing as GoFoil calls it. So not really an apples to apples comparison I bet. (As I see it, they're all trying to compete with a signature albatross which is from what I can find online, the best pumping wing)

I don't know the answer's to any of those questions. I've only ridden one foil. The only other foiler's I know personally are Greg and Steamroller who I've seen in the water maybe 2 times each. (I don't count my sessions in the water with Laird as knowing him haha) You have access to a lot of stuff on Maui, yet you only ever talk about your personal gear, or prototypes you've been lent. Where are the other foil reviews? I'd love pro's and con's from your viewpoint of other stuff. Not fanboy reviews, just honest pro's and con's.

I was hoping foiltheworld would be able to provide that when he did a MFC unboxing video, but then he didn't even ride the thing from what I could tell.


I've ridden Axis, granted it was only 1 wing, can't remember which one. Surf was pretty small so it was one of the bigger wings. One of my good friends rides for Axis and was previously on GoFoil, he likes them. He rides SUP foil, so not really relating to prone foil wings IMO.

I agree, the Signature rigs have been at the front of the pump wing for over a year and now other companies are starting to take notice. There are now a few prone here that ride the Sig rigs and I'm sure I'll have a review for your soon. One lady (in her 50's) rides one and is now able to pump back out for 2 for 1's that she couldn't do on her GoFoil. So if the pump is priority then Signature is a top contender.

I think all the top brands are all moving towards better performance in specific uses. I also think that the difference between them will be smaller and smaller over time which will hopefully bring price down.

Also, a traveling foiler I'd recently surfed with gave me this tip, Uni Foil is basically Signature without the price tag. He'd been in South Africa recenly and got the scoop.

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I sent uni an email to get a price quote. the guy I've seen here with the 210 absolutely rips on it. and pumps back out effortlessly

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Anybody riding Cloud IX? My foilboard shaper has a demo but our schedules haven't connected yet to try it out.

Got a close look an Armstrong foil today, pretty stunning in person.


My Naish insider said new wings coming in June!!

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price for the uni 210 is R12,000 which is about $840. Pretty good deal, except they want a little over R6500 or $450 for shipping to Hawaii!

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Ouch That shipping price hurts. Thanks for looking it up,

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