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Pyzel Phantom Review #2825878
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This one looks really good. I like it when he rides a slightly longer board. The Fireball Fish looked too short under his feet, IMO. This one was sized perfect.



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Looked great as a quad. Only so so as a truster. Air17x looked better as a thruster than phantom as thruster


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Originally Posted By: Havoc4k
Looked great as a quad. Only so so as a truster. Air17x looked better as a thruster than phantom as thruster


Definitely looked best as a quad. I wish Noel would try more a more upright thruster template from time to time. The upright rear quads he rode really helped the board pivot nicely.


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I think that's the first time you could really feel the stoke Noel had for a board beyond saying he liked it. He just sold a bunch of Pyzels!


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Originally Posted By: jkb
This one looks really good. I like it when he rides a slightly longer board. The Fireball Fish looked too short under his feet, IMO. This one was sized perfect.
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Yes I also think the Phantom looks longer. Boards of HPSB length produce that accentuated arcing whip off the top which the judges love. However "looks" is the operative word - the boards are near as dammit the same length: 5' 6 1/2" for Fireball and 5' 7" for Phantom. So there is more than just a length difference going on there.

To compare Phantom and Fireball is not entirely fair in my books. Fireball is what I call a novelty shape whereas Phantom is somewhere in between a stubby shortboard/every day driver. As novelty boards go I thought the Fireball looked very good, as I was saying on this thread https://forum.surfer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2813583#Post2813583

Noel Salas is what I consider to be an elite surfer who knows what size board works for him. Despite what others say I don't think he rides too low a volume - I see no evidence of bogging in his reviews. I wouldn't attempt to ride his weight to volume ratios, but then I'm not an elite surfer.

Of course longer boards look better to the judges, but some of the boards he is reviewing are "stubbies" - the point of them is not to look best in competition, but to have more fun in average waves. My own experiences of the stubby thruster is that I can more easily hit the lip multiple times, maybe not as satisfying as that perfect arcing off the lip, but in average conditions it can produce more fun - looking good does enter into the scene, I'm not being judged. I don't mean to stifle discussion - its all good. I'm just offering my opinion

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I rode my buddy's phantom as a tri fin a few times and really liked it
really fast
kind of the best small wave tri fin I can remember riding

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Originally Posted By: Mr J
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This one looks really good. I like it when he rides a slightly longer board. The Fireball Fish looked too short under his feet, IMO. This one was sized perfect.
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Yes I also think the Phantom looks longer. Boards of HPSB length produce that accentuated arcing whip off the top which the judges love. However "looks" is the operative word - the boards are near as dammit the same length: 5' 6 1/2" for Fireball and 5' 7" for Phantom. So there is more than just a length difference going on there.

To compare Phantom and Fireball is not entirely fair in my books. Fireball is what I call a novelty shape whereas Phantom is somewhere in between a stubby shortboard/every day driver. As novelty boards go I thought the Fireball looked very good, as I was saying on this thread https://forum.surfer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2813583#Post2813583

Noel Salas is what I consider to be an elite surfer who knows what size board works for him. Despite what others say I don't think he rides too low a volume - I see no evidence of bogging in his reviews. I wouldn't attempt to ride his weight to volume ratios, but then I'm not an elite surfer.

Of course longer boards look better to the judges, but some of the boards he is reviewing are "stubbies" - the point of them is not to look best in competition, but to have more fun in average waves. My own experiences of the stubby thruster is that I can more easily hit the lip multiple times, maybe not as satisfying as that perfect arcing off the lip, but in average conditions it can produce more fun - looking good does enter into the scene, I'm not being judged. I don't mean to stifle discussion - its all good. I'm just offering my opinion




Yeah, you're right. Not much difference in length (and width) between those two. The fireball fish looked shorter to me. Not sure why.


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I think a swallow pushes your pad/stance up ever so slightly. Not sure if this is accurate or not but I've always felt it...

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Originally Posted By: daave
I think a swallow pushes your pad/stance up ever so slightly. Not sure if this is accurate or not but I've always felt it...


ya i ve defly noticed this.


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Part of the problem with my subscorcher2. Stupid leash plug placement.

Anyone order a phantom? Trying to mull over where I want it to fit in the quiver. Thinking something like 60 x 19 1/4 x 2 5/16 to end up around mid 28L ballpark.

Boards in the quiver nearby range are GX squash at 510 x 19 1/2 x 2 5/16 @28.4L and GX round tail at 61 x 19 x 2 5/16 @28.7L.

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Originally Posted By: Havoc4k
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I think a swallow pushes your pad/stance up ever so slightly. Not sure if this is accurate or not but I've always felt it...


ya i ve defly noticed this.


Hmmmm, maybe... but for how often you're standing on the front of your pad I don't think it makes a difference. In general people put the cutout on the bottom of the pad around the leash plug, and I dont think shapers are putting leash plugs further up on swallow tail boards compared to others. shrug


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Originally Posted By: 92122
Originally Posted By: Havoc4k
Originally Posted By: daave
I think a swallow pushes your pad/stance up ever so slightly. Not sure if this is accurate or not but I've always felt it...


ya i ve defly noticed this.


Hmmmm, maybe... but for how often you're standing on the front of your pad I don't think it makes a difference. In general people put the cutout on the bottom of the pad around the leash plug, and I dont think shapers are putting leash plugs further up on swallow tail boards compared to others. shrug


foot moves around a lot. swallowtail sinks easier from same position from tip of tail as squash. look at how far up the leash plugs r on those fishes.


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Those of you who have a Phantom - further review? Anyone running it as a quad?


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I have one.

XTR 6'1 x 19 3/4" x 2 7/16" 30.4L

Squarsh tail.

It's been somewhat hit or miss but when the conditions are right I really like it. It's not a great groveler, it wants some decent waves to come alive. I think the description made me think it would be better in mushy or smaller waves but to me it feels like a little too much rocker for crap surf. Despite the wider outline and deeper concave it still has more of a good wave curve to it compared to something like the Stamps GX so it doesn't quite have the low end that the GX does. Good waist to overhead waves and it feels great. Really good on rail like the Ghost but with a bit more built in speed. Easier to throw around and get the tail free.

I've got probably 15 or so long sessions on it. Tried a bunch of dif fin sets and settled on the NVS AM2's in G10 thrusters as the favorites so far. Unlike the Ghost this board feels like it needs some large fins to keep the tail planted.

I ran some different quad sets and actually liked it more than expected. Not usually a fan of squash tails as quads. It had a bit more drive and better low end and still had some good pivot but I dunno, just been riding thrusters more lately and digging the control off the bottom and release off the top.

If I could do it over I'd go an inch longer.

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what sizes does Salas ride of the Ghost, phantom and gremlin?

Considering these as a three board quiver for my new house in portugal smile
me 5'8" 165-170


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ghost - 59 x 18.88 x 2.44 Liters 26.70

phantom - 57 x 19 x 2.31 Liters 26.10

gremiln - 54 x 19.25 x 2.31 Liters 26.35



i went 2 1/2" under my height with a stock 5'7,

deffo would go an or so longer like aruka said, also agree with the low end not being quite what you would expect from the style of shape/dims,

really comes alive when the waves have some bowl, the low entry does seem to catch if its lumpy/bumpy/onshore though,

not a laid back ride, needs full driver input imo

i am enjoying it thoroughly in the right waves for sure though cheers

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had a demo session on a stok 5'9 this last week in clean head hi drainers and again on waist to overhead slopey long easy clean walls. had a great first time session, very happy afterwards. conditions were good but the board helped also.
This board 'feels' very similiar to the gremlin,we have a 5'5 between wifey and I. first time she took the gremlin out, she started surfing like one, i was very surprised how well she went on it. fast fwd, if you like gremlin, phantom is a very similiar riding bort. demo blade was slighly overvolumed -5'9 - 19 1/4 2 7/16 28.7ltrs. im 165... only thing i noticed was a little bit of swing weight compared to some other boards. stock glass? dunno but would probably want a 5'8 for that day. maybe the 5'9 if you surf breaks w lots of water moving around.

easy speed, nice rail to rail, carves flowing turns, snaps easy.... medium am honeycombs worked well.
overall very nice board in my opinion. if i had to start over, i wouldnt be afraid to do the 3 board quiver of these.
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I have one, thruster, no quad option, I use the JJF fins. Works great, not really a groveler, more just an every day shortboard I ride in CA in any conditions. I have pared back to one surfboard in the van, and this is it.


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anyone ride a gremlin in addition to the phantom? curious how those two compare.

wonder if a hp-outline'd gremlin would be the ticket.

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Originally Posted By: youcantbeserious
I have one, thruster, no quad option, I use the JJF fins. Works great, not really a groveler, more just an every day shortboard I ride in CA in any conditions. I have pared back to one surfboard in the van, and this is it.


How did you size yours ycbs?

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I'm around 168lbs and have been riding the stock dims 5'9" (XTR construction though) Phantom for a while now. I think Jon's description of the board was to cover the range of "so-so to good" waves and I think that's spot on. It's not a groveler (that's what the Gremlin is for -- and I have one of those on order) but IMO the Phantom is a very fun, capable, and forgiving daily driver as long as you aren't surfing soft, longboarder style breaks. Anywhere from waist high to a bit overhead feels really good to me. Had a great session this morning in 4-5 foot waves with off shore wind and occasionally hollow sections. Paddled into the set waves easily and got partially covered a few times. The light rain kept the usual crowd away -- hopefully I won't end up with a sinus infection though.

I've been riding it as a quad and it feels good, but I might try it out as a thruster one of these days to compare.

The Gremlin I have on order is slightly stretched out instead of stock. Something like 5'7" x 19 3/4 x 2 7/16 to come out around 29.5 liters (so about a liter more than my Phantom). I expect that to cover the groveling as well as daily driver conditions for softer breaks (when I decide to join my longboarding friends at various softer point breaks and rocky reefs around this area).

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Originally Posted By: Aruka
I have a gremlin on order
Originally Posted By: youcantbeserious
I have one, thruster, no quad option, I use the JJF fins. Works great, not really a groveler, more just an every day shortboard I ride in CA in any conditions. I have pared back to one surfboard in the van, and this is it.


How did you size yours ycbs?


I grabbed an OTR 6'3" from Jon's shop in Waialua, stock dims, it works unreal


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I have a 5'11 phantom. Got it for 4-6' NJ waves. Took it out today with the AM Med Air Core. Went pretty well in 3-4-5' surf. Felt very responsive, sharp turns but I have to get used to it before I can give a true review.
The air core fins seem to work well. My go to fin is AM med honeycomb.

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Just got this board a few days ago, and the surf went flat. Will report back.

82KG, riding a 5.10 stock board, 5 fin FCS setup. Bought some Large Aircode AM fins for it too. Will pair those side fins with quad performer M rears at some point too.

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