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Roberts Star Chip review by Noel Salas #2820799
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi9QtszF08g

good stuff. Love Roberts Boards. My Diamond Fish is magic.

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I was surfing with Rob in the Outer Banks and he was killing it on his Star Chip. The waves were chest high sometimes bigger with some punch. I wish I had my Black Punt but had pulled my Mutant out since the waves were pretty small in the morning and didn't know the size had come up. The get up and go of the waves there were much better suited to the longer rail and extra rocker that he had from his Star Chip compared to my board. Like you see in the video Rob's board was super fast and as loose as he wanted it. The kids we were surfing with that work at REAL Watersports were stoked on seeing someone 55+ and over 6'2 tall surfing the way he does. I'm getting one as soon as I can sell a couple older boards. Pic of Rob from his Ments trip and his board
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@GregGriffin: Please give your design thoughts on Roberts new Twonzer fins design and fin placements. A few years ago, I ordered a Robin Mair Quadmatic with his HanaleiFins. Robin suggested trying the big fins in back although I never did. Going couple decades back, a friend had T&C twinzer shaped by Glenn Minami which he said was out of control fast! Anyway I am curious about any new design and value your opinion

Kudos to Noel and Roberts for that YouTube board test! Noel rips and his reviews at trestles are awesome. Roberts made 4 boards for that Board test and then Noel tried both with thruster and twonzer serups in both pu and eps! Simply awesomeness...

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looks like he needs smaller front fins to me

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Would love to try this board. Looks very fun, especially with those fins.

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I have one that is done in FCS fusions and I have a Bonzer5 side fin forward and a Stretch "The Buzz" big quad set lead fin behind. It works really really good. Sean Hayes was riding one with a similar setup and he loved it as well.

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Do the fins come with the board? Maybe Noel mentioned it, but I didn't watch the video with sound.

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Large fronts due to tail width :



Adjustable too

1/8" rear - all thats needed

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Board looked like it worked well for him. Seemed like the tri setup went a lot better for him, probably because that's what he's used to.

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Being a thruster guy myself, this makes me a little nervous about getting a twinzer.


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If you order custom...No. Another $150 for fins. If you get off the rack, maybe, depends where you get it I think. When I looked at Real Watersports online they included them.

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@GWS: I think I saw a pic of your Twonzer with FCS Fusions. It convinced me to order a 7'0 Fun One. Currently only availble in Futures. $150 for the custom canted Twonzer future fins.

In the Board Review video, it was interesting to see Noel "struggling" on the Twonzer after riding it thruster. Actual Speed or a sensation that its faster?

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@greg griffin: Thanks for those pics. Beautiful G10 Fins!

Im assuming the board in the pic is a Twinzer? Robert's boards are a Twonzer which I believe is a blend of Twin and Bonzer...

FYI Robert's Twonzer is currently only available with Futures Boxes.

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he moved faster through his pivots....dont know if he WAS or just felt and then BECAME less table...but there was some real snap and flow going on

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That setup went pretty good towards the end. Would like to try and that little board looks excellent.

Im pretty sure that would never be enough fin for me though.

Im guessing the rears are up at about 7? I like where this is going.

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I know this feeling all too well:
Every twinzer I've tried, except for jobsons feel too slidey. Twinzers are inherently fast, it's getting them to hold in that's tricky.

On my magic board, I took out 2 cant after my first session at lowers, and it became magic.

Something I noticed w Noel's fin setup was how much overlap the canards/mains had. Huie sent me a set of bigger canards, but the overlap increased. Normally, bigger fin/more SA = more hold; but, w the same mains, my board felt out of control loose.

I like 0-0.5" gap between my fins. I bet Noel wouldve been able to really push w less overlap.

Ftr, I grew up on thrusters, so I move my back foot all the way back before a turn. Watched a lot of Curren/occy vids as a grom, and saw how to pump down the line w the back foot over the front fins for speed, then slide it back before a turn. If you surf like this (I'm guessing Noel does, given his age/era), then your back foot gives you more leverage in turns, but can overpower fin clusters if there's no fin back at 3-3.5", like thrusters. MR and older guys who rode twins during the 70s surf w their back foot further up, so their fins are further up.

I messaged Matt biolos about jobsons fin placement (bc he was looking for jobson to do a twinzer), and he replied that they hold in bc the fins are so far back (in his mind, probably bc he's used to MR, twin/trailer, and quad placement).


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Your fins are further back than Will's

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Originally Posted By: ghostshaper
I know this feeling all too well:
Every twinzer I've tried, except for jobsons feel too slidey. Twinzers are inherently fast, it's getting them to hold in that's tricky.

On my magic board, I took out 2 cant after my first session at lowers, and it became magic.

Something I noticed w Noel's fin setup was how much overlap the canards/mains had. Huie sent me a set of bigger canards, but the overlap increased. Normally, bigger fin/more SA = more hold; but, w the same mains, my board felt out of control loose.

I like 0-0.5" gap between my fins. I bet Noel wouldve been able to really push w less overlap.

Ftr, I grew up on thrusters, so I move my back foot all the way back before a turn. Watched a lot of Curren/occy vids as a grom, and saw how to pump down the line w the back foot over the front fins for speed, then slide it back before a turn. If you surf like this (I'm guessing Noel does, given his age/era), then your back foot gives you more leverage in turns, but can overpower fin clusters if there's no fin back at 3-3.5", like thrusters. MR and older guys who rode twins during the 70s surf w their back foot further up, so their fins are further up.

I messaged Matt biolos about jobsons fin placement (bc he was looking for jobson to do a twinzer), and he replied that they hold in bc the fins are so far back (in his mind, probably bc he's used to MR, twin/trailer, and quad placement).



The really weird thing, is either Robert or I, I guarantee we push a LOT harder than Noel. (He's probably about the same weight as Roberts left leg) and have no problem with slide. Three team riders didn't have the problem. And even with Noel's problem, it seemed to dissipate greatly with a couple of surfs. confused2 Not enough forward rail usage initially or... none of the rest of us had any problem or required any adjustment period.

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Originally Posted By: GWS
Originally Posted By: ghostshaper
I know this feeling all too well:
Every twinzer I've tried, except for jobsons feel too slidey. Twinzers are inherently fast, it's getting them to hold in that's tricky.

On my magic board, I took out 2 cant after my first session at lowers, and it became magic.

Something I noticed w Noel's fin setup was how much overlap the canards/mains had. Huie sent me a set of bigger canards, but the overlap increased. Normally, bigger fin/more SA = more hold; but, w the same mains, my board felt out of control loose.

I like 0-0.5" gap between my fins. I bet Noel wouldve been able to really push w less overlap.

Ftr, I grew up on thrusters, so I move my back foot all the way back before a turn. Watched a lot of Curren/occy vids as a grom, and saw how to pump down the line w the back foot over the front fins for speed, then slide it back before a turn. If you surf like this (I'm guessing Noel does, given his age/era), then your back foot gives you more leverage in turns, but can overpower fin clusters if there's no fin back at 3-3.5", like thrusters. MR and older guys who rode twins during the 70s surf w their back foot further up, so their fins are further up.

I messaged Matt biolos about jobsons fin placement (bc he was looking for jobson to do a twinzer), and he replied that they hold in bc the fins are so far back (in his mind, probably bc he's used to MR, twin/trailer, and quad placement).



The really weird thing, is either Robert or I, I guarantee we push a LOT harder than Noel. (He's probably about the same weight as Roberts left leg) and have no problem with slide. Three team riders didn't have the problem. And even with Noel's problem, it seemed to dissipate greatly with a couple of surfs. confused2 Not enough forward rail usage initially or... none of the rest of us had any problem or required any adjustment period.


I think he is just initiating his turns too soon, too abruptly for the twinzer setup. In my experience I find that going a wee bit farther out into the flats before hitting the bottom turn (and using more rail) does wonders.

Noel rips. I really need to say that again, Noel rips.

Hes also one of the most thruster adapted surfers Ive ever seen. I was really surprised by his struggles with the twinzer setup.

And yes, he was definately getting it together by the end. A couple more surfs on it and hed be killing it.

Huge respect to him for posting it, warts and all.


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Noel is a phenomenal surfer but hes struggled adjusting to all of the twins hes reviewed, with the possible exception of the Rocket 9, which he rode twin/trailer, so that doesnt count. He is the ultimate thruster surfer, and a great one at that. But not a guy I would trust for twinzer feedback.

He did a great job in this review.


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Originally Posted By: GWS


The really weird thing, is either Robert or I, I guarantee we push a LOT harder than Noel. (He's probably about the same weight as Roberts left leg) and have no problem with slide. Three team riders didn't have the problem. And even with Noel's problem, it seemed to dissipate greatly with a couple of surfs. confused2 Not enough forward rail usage initially or... none of the rest of us had any problem or required any adjustment period.


I don't doubt that you guys push harder. I've always thought that I like big fins bc lightweights like me don't sink the rail as much. If Noel complained that the tail was too thick and the first board was too buoyant, then that would corroborate why it was too slidey.

Interestingly, I dropped into the Real shop in the obx a couple weeks ago, and Roberts was doing an in shop appearance. I was there too early, though, and the shop didn't know what time he was coming. Too bad, bc it would've been fun to talk about twinzers w him.

There are a lot of nuances and idiosyncrasies that I've discovered over the last 6-7 years riding twinzers exclusively. Maybe it's bc I rode quads before then, but the transition for me was easy. And I've never used a twin that held in for me, but I'd still like to find one (ahem, GG).


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The really weird thing, is either Robert or I, I guarantee we push a LOT harder than Noel. (He's probably about the same weight as Roberts left leg) and have no problem with slide. Three team riders didn't have the problem. And even with Noel's problem, it seemed to dissipate greatly with a couple of surfs. confused2 Not enough forward rail usage initially or... none of the rest of us had any problem or required any adjustment period.


I don't doubt that you guys push harder. I've always thought that I like big fins bc lightweights like me don't sink the rail as much. If Noel complained that the tail was too thick and the first board was too buoyant, then that would corroborate why it was too slidey.

Interestingly, I dropped into the Real shop in the obx a couple weeks ago, and Roberts was doing an in shop appearance. I was there too early, though, and the shop didn't know what time he was coming. Too bad, bc it would've been fun to talk about twinzers w him.

There are a lot of nuances and idiosyncrasies that I've discovered over the last 6-7 years riding twinzers exclusively. Maybe it's bc I rode quads before then, but the transition for me was easy. And I've never used a twin that held in for me, but I'd still like to find one (ahem, GG).


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And I've never used a twin that held in for me, but I'd still like to find one (ahem, GG).


Im riding a CI skinny fish with these...

https://www.trueames.com/collections/twin-fins-1/products/hobie-fish-futures-compatible

...and it dont slide. Im a pretty big, very strong, heavy footed surfer and Ive pushed that thing as hard as I can.


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I hope you get to ride one of GGs twins, Ghostie. Was an awesome design for me.

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That board would be fun in XTR. I just wonder how dialed they are with the twonzer fin placement. Although they normally do a great job.

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Rob finishes the cut XTR blanks and marks the fins. They then fin them to his marks during the glassing processes back at XTR.

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Originally Posted By: surfwhere
Rob finishes the cut XTR blanks and marks the fins. They then fin them to his marks during the glassing processes back at XTR.


Thanks. That's good to know.

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Need a board for local waves. Been trying to find a stronger board to replace the sci fi/untitled shapes ive been riding. Seems to have a mix of both. The plan was i was going to keep it for next year (i hate flying with boards) but the waves will drop a bit this week, the meat cleaver i use likes a bit of size.
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