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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: Duffy] #2803109
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Royce Gracie UFC - went through how many rounds of fighting various martial artists, street fighters, boxers, big small, fat, Sumo, etc to win the whole thing? Then he did it again, and then again. 3 UFC titles back when you could head butt and give uppercuts to the nuts.

The early UFCs were a hoot to watch. It was made pretty clear early on that all the spin and jump kicks I grew up watching on ninja turtles, karate kid, Van Damme, Double Dragon, etc, while powerful if landed and cool to watch, were mostly impractical and likely to end badly for the person attempting them against a skilled grappler. Soon after MMA was mostly distilled down to jiu jitsu, boxing and thai kickboxing.
Seems that in recent years there have been some fighters that are reincorporating some of those types of maneuvers, but they are obviously well-versed in the fundamentals. It's pretty cool when you see a well executed kick to the dome that the other guy didn't see coming beer


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[ It's pretty cool when you see a well executed kick to the dome that the other guy didn't see coming beer


Like this (though he appears to be outmatched). Forward to 1:30. He got kicked so hard a snot slug dropped out of his nose and recoiled back in, or was that his brain hat . Impressive spray of sweat off his head from the impact of the foot/shin, and delayed fall too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfEWSRm7gc

Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: jbd] #2803120
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I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


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On the street where there aren't rules you might get a knife in your stomach, kicked in the head by your opponent's homies, shot, bitten, clubbed, arrested, etc, so yeah, run or diffuse.


Thats why I prefaced my first post on this subject by saying one on one, no weapons.


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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: grapedrink] #2803128
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Originally Posted By: grapedrink
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Royce Gracie UFC - went through how many rounds of fighting various martial artists, street fighters, boxers, big small, fat, Sumo, etc to win the whole thing? Then he did it again, and then again. 3 UFC titles back when you could head butt and give uppercuts to the nuts.

The early UFCs were a hoot to watch. It was made pretty clear early on that all the spin and jump kicks I grew up watching on ninja turtles, karate kid, Van Damme, Double Dragon, etc, while powerful if landed and cool to watch, were mostly impractical and likely to end badly for the person attempting them against a skilled grappler. Soon after MMA was mostly distilled down to jiu jitsu, boxing and thai kickboxing.
Seems that in recent years there have been some fighters that are reincorporating some of those types of maneuvers, but they are obviously well-versed in the fundamentals. It's pretty cool when you see a well executed kick to the dome that the other guy didn't see coming beer


The current rule set in mma (UFC) favors wrestlers with striking ability. Relatively short rounds, stand ups, wrapped and gloves hands all will disadvantage a bjj based game. Demian Maia was one of the few guys who could compete at the top level using basically straight jiu jitsu in modern mma. But in order to get where he got he had to get good at wrestling.


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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: Groundswell] #2803131
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When you say wrestlers, do you mean grapplers in general or are you differentiating greco roman with BJJ confused2 I don't disagree, although I also don't know the fundamental differences. I probably should have specified wrestling as well, but I can't say where it actually diverges from BJJ shrug
The old UFCs were also painful to watch when 2 grapplers would go into guard for 10+ minutes sleeping Hence the round format. Most disappointing fight I ever watched was Dan Severn vs Ken Shamrock- IIRC they both were too cautious to make a move for the first 15 minutes foreheadslap


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Originally Posted By: Duffy
I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless. Mcgreggor has a Karate background and fights in a karate style stance.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.


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Originally Posted By: grapedrink
When you say wrestlers, do you mean grapplers in general or are you differentiating greco roman with BJJ confused2 I don't disagree, although I also don't know the fundamental differences. I probably should have specified wrestling as well, but I can't say where it actually diverges from BJJ shrug
The old UFCs were also painful to watch when 2 grapplers would go into guard for 10+ minutes sleeping Hence the round format. Most disappointing fight I ever watched was Dan Severn vs Ken Shamrock- IIRC they both were too cautious to make a move for the first 15 minutes foreheadslap


Yes, watching two grapplers try to rape each other for 25 minuets is boring for most people.

Ok, wrestling...

Im talking about college wrestling. A D1 college wrestler will fook you up. Theres a reason why no high level wrestlers were invited to UFC 1,2,3.

Heres why wrestling is so important to mma.

1. The way they train. Wrestlers simply train harder than anyone else in any sport anywhere. Period. They have a toughness and grit that only comes from years of grinding it out.

Train with some wrestlers if you ever get a chance. Its humbling.

2. A wrestler can determine when and if the fight goes to the ground. Even the most high level jiu jitsu practitioners will have a very hard time taking and keeping a wrestler down. Also, a striker is going to play a different game when they fear being taken down.

Now theres different styles of wresting and Im not really that knowledgeable of the intricacies of each style but basically you have college wrestling, Greco Roman (which is upper body centric) and Catch wrestling which is wrestling with submissions (cranks, locks, chokes).

Bjj is, simply put, submission wrestling in a gi. Nogi jiu jitsu is sometimes referred to as submission wrestling.

Theres also sambo (Russian combat art that includes strikes and submissions) and judo (and judo newaza).

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Im talking about college wrestling. A D1 college wrestler will fook you up. Theres a reason why no high level wrestlers were invited to UFC 1,2,3.


Yep. Always take a good look at someones ears before you fight them.

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Originally Posted By: jbd
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I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.



i've been doing shito ryu for about a year and one-half. it's really fun to be out of your comfort zone and learning something new.

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I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.



i've been doing shito ryu for about a year and one-half. it's really fun to be out of your comfort zone and learning something new.





Best attitude to have in a dojo. You will do well. Learn as much as you can. Never ask about belts, never tell the sensei you hate kata unless you want to do kata everyday smile

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Originally Posted By: jbd
Originally Posted By: Duffy
I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless. Mcgreggor has a Karate background and fights in a karate style stance.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.



I got a black belt in karate 25 years ago. I havent practiced the art for over 20. First time I got in the ring with a Thai boxer and got leg kicked I realized that my karate background wasnt going to help me. smile

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Originally Posted By: jbd
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Im talking about college wrestling. A D1 college wrestler will fook you up. Theres a reason why no high level wrestlers were invited to UFC 1,2,3.


Yep. Always take a good look at someones ears before you fight them.


Yes, an unfortunate side effect of grappling. Cauliflower ears suck.

There are other signs to look for in addition to fucked up ears, but the ears are the most obvious.


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