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was the doctor who diagnosed Andy as bi-polar and/or the doctor who treated him not available? Why did they get a guy who'd never met Andy to discuss this?


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Kissed by god is a shitty metaphor.


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Talk on the North Shore was negative. People are calling bullshit. I haven't seen it.


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Talk on the North Shore was negative. People are calling bullshit.


Explain please .

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Talk on the North Shore was negative. People are calling bullshit.


Explain please .


There were some people on the north shore. They were talking. They said the movies was inaccurate.


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" People are calling bullshit."

They know something you don't .

Nothing "Cryptic" about that .

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Grifffen knows a secret and is going to take it to his grave while shoehorning his knowlegege into ever Irons thread.

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin



" People are calling bullshit."

They know something you don't .

Nothing "Cryptic" about that .



"Why'" "did'" you' "use'" "quotation mark's" "around'" cryptic?


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Time for a music break :



Stay - Happy wave2

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I'm in Florida , I know nothing . Brandon just got back from oahu , check his comments above. wave2

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Grifffen knows a secret and is going to take it to his grave while shoehorning his knowlegege into ever Irons thread.


"shoehorning his knowledge,"

I like that.

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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
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Talk on the North Shore was negative. People are calling bullshit.


Explain please .


There were some people on the north shore. They were talking. They said the movies was inaccurate.

roflmao drunk


You forgot it was STOLEN?!
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Suck my ass, Griffin. How's that for "NOT" cryptic?


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Originally Posted By: Bonzer5Fin
Suck my ass, Griffin. How's that for "NOT" cryptic?



What did he mean by this

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Suck my ass, Griffin. How's that for "NOT" cryptic?



What did he mean by this


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BNzr5 is alway s very mysteriuos socrazy
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U Never kno when some Fat olD Carp will eAt teh whole choclate cak,get sik & quit surfing 4evr
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Suck my ass, Griffin. How's that for "NOT" cryptic?

What did he mean by this

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BNzr5 is alway s very mysteriuos socrazy
No 1 will evr know 4 sure,.

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So what did "they" say?

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin

, I know nothing .


Truer words were never spoken?


incompetence is preferable to malice.
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Originally Posted By: Racer1
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Suck my ass, Griffin. How's that for "NOT" cryptic?



What did he mean by this


just another shitty metaphor, it's what this thread's aboot thou, eh?

shrug


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Todd and Steve Jones are nothing but slimy profiteers. Accuracy was never the goal.


Originally Posted By: StuAzole
The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
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Can you guys keep going? Loving this shit show.

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Todd and Steve Jones are nothing but slimy profiteers. Accuracy was never the goal.


So youre saying they should run for President?


[P]ower and privilege cannot move a people who know where they stand and stand in the law.
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find it fitting that the guy who hooked up andy with the drugs in miami was at the movie
in la and in pics with bruce

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Originally Posted By: Split
find it fitting that the guy who hooked up andy with the drugs in miami was at the movie
in la and in pics with bruce


This is a sad and scary statement.

I hope its not true or a bad joke.

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I can't wait until the day when people aren't bringing up Andy every 10 seconds. What do we have to do to make that happen?


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Turn the compter off and do something .

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Turn the compter off and do something .



It just gets old. We glorify this guy to what end? And do we ever talk about any of the real issues or does "surfing" just want to sweep everything under the rug and pretend everything is great?



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Andy andy andy!


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Originally Posted By: Split
find it fitting that the guy who hooked up andy with the drugs in miami was at the movie
in la and in pics with bruce


This comment is useless without said pix.

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find it fitting that the guy who hooked up andy with the drugs in miami was at the movie
in la and in pics with bruce


This comment is useless without said pix.



if you know who the hook up was in maimi - go to
his insta account- second pic - loaded w bruce that nte

wont give you his name but known he was the guy who hooked him up
pretty disgusting - sad - that he was there

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In his defense, he said in the Outside interview that he didn't hook up what Andy was looking for. He did admit to getting some blow for him, Andy and a few other dudes.

But, addicts always find a way and he said he put Andy in a cab that was headed to the airport and told the driver not to stop anywhere, no matter what. Then tipped him $100.

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Tired of all the references with no links. I know nothing of this story personally. I just looked up all the references. Public information here.



Here is the article. https://www.outsideonline.com/1818666/crashing-down It's the 2nd piece that Brad Melekian did on Andy's death. Here are some relevant qoutes for this conversation.

IRONS ARRIVED IN MIAMI late on Halloween night. Carlos Bam Bam Del Olmo, a 45-year-old pro surfer and sometime actor whod known Irons since he was 13, got a call at 11:58. Irons was at Mangos, a nightclub on Ocean Drive, and he wanted to have some fun.

Irons didnt appear sick, and his flight to Dallas didnt leave until 6:30 a.m. He just wanted to have a good time, says Del Olmo. He asked me if we could get some coke. I was like, Dude, youre in fooking Miami. Irons then asked whether Del Olmo knew how to get another more serious drug, though Del Olmo wouldnt say what it was. I was not prepared to hear what came out of Andys mouth, he says. I shut him down immediately.

The cab ride was $30. I gave him a $50 tip and I said to him, Yo, brother, thats Andy Irons, three-time world champion from Hawaii, in the back seat of your car. I dont give a fook if he wants to stop at 7-Eleven for water, you dont stop. When you get to the airport, you walk him in to the American Airlines desk, and you make sure he gets on that plane. You got that?

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candyman's insta post about the opioud [sic] epidemic "killing the essence of mankind" combined with this quip:

Irons then asked whether Del Olmo knew how to get another more serious drug, though Del Olmo wouldnt say what it was. I was not prepared to hear what came out of Andys mouth, he says. I shut him down immediately.

seems to infer what drug ai was asking for.

poor lindsey.


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I find it amazing that some of these guys (Bruce, for example) seem to have no idea how utterly ridiculous they look in some of their Instagram posts. Are they really that out of touch with reality and completely unaware of their self-portrayal?


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I find it amazing that some of these guys (Bruce, for example) seem to have no idea how utterly ridiculous they look in some of their Instagram posts. Are they really that out of touch with reality and completely unaware of their self-portrayal?


I'll answer this: YES.


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I find it amazing that some of these guys (Bruce, for example) seem to have no idea how utterly ridiculous they look in some of their Instagram posts. Are they really that out of touch with reality and completely unaware of their self-portrayal?


If they had grown up in Kentucky, they would be middle aged country bumpkin hick washed up HS quarterbacks. If you think of them in that fashion, it all makes a lot more sense. It's just because they had access to incredible waves do you think of them as anything more.

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Originally Posted By: Goodfish
I find it amazing that some of these guys (Bruce, for example) seem to have no idea how utterly ridiculous they look in some of their Instagram posts. Are they really that out of touch with reality and completely unaware of their self-portrayal?


I'll answer this: YES.


Decades of industry hand jobs will to that to a guy. Bruce is still 18 in his mind.


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what a loving and concerned friend to make sure the immigrant cab driver was aware that it was a surfing champion in his cab and that he need to walk him to the gate - gotta love bam bam stories - love the "you got
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a cabbie. what a support system billabong

The cab ride was $30. I gave him a $50 tip and I said to him, Yo, brother, thats Andy Irons, three-time world champion from Hawaii, in the back seat of your car. I dont give a fook if he wants to stop at 7-Eleven for water, you dont stop. When you get to the airport, you walk him in to the American Airlines desk, and you make sure he gets on that plane. You got that?

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Yeah, not much self-reflection going on there. Just some emo/teenage attention-seeking posturing: Don't smile, chin up, look cool. Pretty pathetic, to be honest. However, all the reports say that Bruce puts some heart into the movie. Maybe the Instagram posturing is just for marketing purposes...

Best article I've read on it by the always awesome Longtom...


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Nice, great read

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That was great. Thanks for the linky.

You can only hope that there's some sort of karma in the implosion of Quik/Bong.

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I was told Andy was not to friendly - respectful with the US billabong people .

Some called this being Arrogant , but it was his strength and sureness about who he was coming thru .
0 weakness

Nick does not know this , so you are not reading it .

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Kissed by god, fvcked by many devils.
This shouldn't have happened, but it's gonna happen again.
So fvcked up.


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Would Andy receive this type of attention, hypocritical judgement by ALL of the imperfect humans taking part, and predictable idolization by the conditioned had he not died? No and somewhat Yes. It's always interesting at times how death can make more or less out of an individual's legacy according to the one's giving their worthless opinions and bs input.

Surfed with him about a dozen times or so, from Caldera to the South Pacific. I'm not a friend of his or the opposite. He was kind to some and not so kind to some. Unless you were with/near him during all his positive/negative moments (like his family/close friends for life) then you don't know anything no matter how much you think you do. How many folks after you pass will discuss and pick apart your life for years/decades after (that's rhetorical cause the answer is none)?

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Would Andy receive this type of attention, hypocritical judgement by ALL of the imperfect humans taking part, and predictable idolization by the conditioned had he not died? No and somewhat Yes. It's always interesting at times how death can make more or less out of an individual's legacy according to the one's giving their worthless opinions and bs input.

Surfed with him about a dozen times or so, from Caldera to the South Pacific. I'm not a friend of his or the opposite. He was kind to some and not so kind to some. Unless you were with/near him during all his positive/negative moments (like his family/close friends for life) then you don't know anything no matter how much you think you do. How many folks after you pass will discuss and pick apart your life for years/decades after (that's rhetorical cause the answer is none)?


To make sure I understand this correctly, so only you can judge people you don't know, just as you've judged 'the imperfect humans taking part'? Hopefully you realize your 'worthless opinions and bs input' is just as valuable as everyone else's; aka zero.

You do realize this is a sport/hobby message board, right? The entire purpose is to discuss and debate meaningless shit.

I sure hope your family, friends and those who knew you will discuss your life well after you pass. shrug

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Would Andy receive this type of attention, hypocritical judgement by ALL of the imperfect humans taking part, and predictable idolization by the conditioned had he not died? No and somewhat Yes. It's always interesting at times how death can make more or less out of an individual's legacy according to the one's giving their worthless opinions and bs input.

Surfed with him about a dozen times or so, from Caldera to the South Pacific. I'm not a friend of his or the opposite. He was kind to some and not so kind to some. Unless you were with/near him during all his positive/negative moments (like his family/close friends for life) then you don't know anything no matter how much you think you do. How many folks after you pass will discuss and pick apart your life for years/decades after (that's rhetorical cause the answer is none)?


To make sure I understand this correctly, so only you can judge people you don't know, just as you've judged 'the imperfect humans taking part'? Hopefully you realize your 'worthless opinions and bs input' is just as valuable as everyone else's; aka zero.

You do realize this is a sport/hobby message board, right? The entire purpose is to discuss and debate meaningless shit.

I sure hope your family, friends and those who knew you will discuss your life well after you pass. shrug


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Originally Posted By: BltByKrmn
Originally Posted By: Slabs
Would Andy receive this type of attention, hypocritical judgement by ALL of the imperfect humans taking part, and predictable idolization by the conditioned had he not died? No and somewhat Yes. It's always interesting at times how death can make more or less out of an individual's legacy according to the one's giving their worthless opinions and bs input.

Surfed with him about a dozen times or so, from Caldera to the South Pacific. I'm not a friend of his or the opposite. He was kind to some and not so kind to some. Unless you were with/near him during all his positive/negative moments (like his family/close friends for life) then you don't know anything no matter how much you think you do. How many folks after you pass will discuss and pick apart your life for years/decades after (that's rhetorical cause the answer is none)?


To make sure I understand this correctly, so only you can judge people you don't know, just as you've judged 'the imperfect humans taking part'? Hopefully you realize your 'worthless opinions and bs input' is just as valuable as everyone else's; aka zero.

You do realize this is a sport/hobby message board, right? The entire purpose is to discuss and debate meaningless shit.

I sure hope your family, friends and those who knew you will discuss your life well after you pass. shrug


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You underestimate some of the people on here. Rich and storied lives, and talked about in circles far and wide. Infamously famous, for better or worse...


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Hopefully none. My goal is to be quickly forgotten. I avoid taking credit for anything I do.

Life is in the doing itself. The process is my only reward.


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Originally Posted By: Duffy

Life is in the doing itself. The process is my only reward.


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...I avoid taking credit for anything I do...


don't have time/inclination to pull up your post history, but uhm . . .

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You underestimate some of the people on here. Rich and storied lives, and talked about in circles far and wide. Infamously famous, for better or worse...


Ur talking about me, right?

You're doing it right now.


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...I avoid taking credit for anything I do...


don't have time/inclination to pull up your post history, but uhm . . .

foreheadslap


You read the posts of Duffy. Whos that? If you met me on the street you wouldnt know that Im Duffy. Duffy may take credit but who is he?

Hes the guy you just met in person who wants to remain low, silent, invisible.

You dont get it, yet. But you will.

Just keep reading. Eventually it all becomes clear.

Im not a sprinter.

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Hopefully none. My goal is to be quickly forgotten. I avoid taking credit for anything I do.

Life is in the doing itself. The process is my only reward.

What a load, you humble brag in almost every post.

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Andy Irons really needs to stop being looked at as some kind of hero.

Same goes for similar people in the music and entertainment who succumbed to their vices


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Andy Irons really needs to stop being looked at as some kind of hero.

Same goes for similar people in the music and entertainment who succumbed to their vices


there's two things happening concurrently.

world class talent and drug addiction.

the drug addiction doesn't negate his world class surfing but it's also not a basis to hold him up as unique or a hero of some type. drug addicts die every day; unless they're friends or family we only hear about the addicts that also had some special talent whether it be music, athletics, etc.

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Originally Posted By: mundus
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How many folks after you pass will discuss and pick apart your life for years/decades after (that's rhetorical cause the answer is none)?


Hopefully none. My goal is to be quickly forgotten. I avoid taking credit for anything I do.

Life is in the doing itself. The process is my only reward.

What a load, you humble brag in almost every post.


If thats the way you see it...

The written word lacks any body language. I think if we sat face to face and I say exactly what what I write here youd see things differently.

Either way, its none of my business what you think of me.


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If this was an honest film, they would have the clip where Andy and Mick Campbell were mouthing off to each other after a heat. France maybe? Mick would have fvcked him up with his training and boxing regiment.

Andy came up to him barking and Mick gave him a solid jab to the face. Andy reacted by wildly swinging his board before people broke it up. Poor look for Andy and it was scrubbed from the Internet. How much did Billabong or Andy pay for it to disappear? How was Mick's Hawaiian campaign that year?

Andy at his peak was so good and one of the best ever. I pick Kelly on my fantasy surf teams because we are close in age and I feel relevant in a distant way. However, I'm stocked that someone came along to humble him, crush him for a few years and make him cry.

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If this was an honest film, they would have the clip where Andy and Mick Campbell were mouthing off to each other after a heat. France maybe? Mick would have fvcked him up with his training and boxing regiment.

Andy came up to him barking and Mick gave him a solid jab to the face. Andy reacted by wildly swinging his board before people broke it up. Poor look for Andy and it was scrubbed from the Internet. How much did Billabong or Andy pay for it to disappear? How was Mick's Hawaiian campaign that year?

Andy at his peak was so good and one of the best ever. I pick Kelly on my fantasy surf teams because we are close in age and I feel relevant in a distant way. However, I'm stocked that someone came along to humble him, crush him for a few years and make him cry.


So your glad he was crying because his father passed away from cancer? Rad.

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Maybe , almost with what led to what Andy could not deal with , same as many other strong men .

Ask Mick Campbell , I doubt Mick was allowed back in Hawaii if true.

Again it's just something another shapers wife told me back then .

So for me just a strong rumour.

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Maybe , almost with what led to what Andy could not deal with , same as many other strong men .

Ask Mick Campbell , I doubt Mick was allowed back in Hawaii if true.

Again it's just something another shapers wife told me back then .

So for me just a strong rumour.


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How many folks after you pass will discuss and pick apart your life for years/decades after (that's rhetorical cause the answer is none)?


Hopefully none. My goal is to be quickly forgotten. I avoid taking credit for anything I do.

Life is in the doing itself. The process is my only reward.

What a load, you humble brag in almost every post.


If thats the way you see it...

The written word lacks any body language. I think if we sat face to face and I say exactly what what I write here youd see things differently.

Either way, its none of my business what you think of me.


True. There is a lot of message board minutia because its easy to take typed words for more than theyre worth.


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Vocal tone and muscle tension around the eyes are the tells.

"Either way, its none of my business what you think of me."

Humans are social animals.

Your relationship with the group matters.

The group can provide valuable behavior cues to the individual.

In fact the group is an extension of the indivudual's nervous system.

This can be bad and good.

But what people think of you matters because it's feedback to inform design making.

Chicks try to fit in because if they get kicked out of the group, it's death, starvation, and rape time.


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Im not saying it doesnt matter. Im saying its none of my business.


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It's playing tonight at a theater near me.
Is the movie worth watching?

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The movie needed more surfing and less dark shit.


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Was the Andy- Mick incident in the film?

https://surfeuropemag.com/features/surfing-most-infamous-fights/

Mick Campbell vs Andy Irons, Hossegor, 2000

"After losing to Mick Campbell in a heat, Andy Irons proceeded to verbally abuse Campbell whilst the two showered in the competitors area. Campbells response was direct and on target. He landed a fierce right hook on Andys nose, and Andys response, where he tried to bash Campbo over the head with his board, only added to his humiliation. The scene was caught on video and went viral. Campbell scored the biggest ASP fine, but definitely won the fight."

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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
The movie needed more surfing and less dark shit.


Thanks, I ended up not going anyway.
The last time I went to one of these 1 night only Cinemark releases, we watched Jack McCoy's movie with only one other surfer.....soul crushing

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Was this story in the film?

Kelly and Andy on a boat trip with their friends... sometime after Kelly's dad passed. I don't have a link, but Dorian told the story in a clip.

Kelly and Andy got in a fight... Dorian had to break it up as Andy was kicking Kelly in the head. Dorian told Andy that Kelly's Dad had just passed... Andy became remorseful, apologized and starting crying.

Life is fragile people. Andy had it all... loving family, a beautiful woman and a son on the way. So sad that he couldn't get home to get the help he needed.

His surfing was very inspirational. RIP

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Saw the movie last night -- heavy for sure but I'm also very thankful for it. Bruce was totally amazing.

If you want to see AI ripping fire up campaign 1, 2, stranger than fiction, etc. I personally hated remembering the details from when he passed. Missing that heat in Puerto Rico, etc. I remember watching the webcast of that heat hoping to see him roar back and win another search event... Nope. Many of the stories in that film had trickled out at the time of that contest (e.g., 21st birthday in Indo, etc.) and it was hard not to wonder what was happening. Andy really was a tragic hero. Breaks my heart how it all went down. Something that still is interesting to me is that the entire world basically pumped like crazy for a week after it happened. I live on the east coast and it was perfect for days, pipe was f-ing lit up in November... The guy was larger than life and personally grateful for all of it. (including the very sobering lessons that underpin all of this)

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saw it last night
I thought it was excellent
really well done
the filled in the blanks on a bunch of rumors
very open and honest
I'd love to see it again and I'll buy a copy when it's released

afterwards a couple of my buddies commented that the people around him should have done more
they did everything they could short of locking him away

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"After losing to Mick Campbell in a heat, Andy Irons proceeded to verbally abuse Campbell whilst the two showered in the competitors area.

That fight was not about the heat .

Investigate that .

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"After losing to Mick Campbell in a heat, Andy Irons proceeded to verbally abuse Campbell whilst the two showered in the competitors area.

That fight was not about the heat .

Investigate that .


He made a pass at Mick and Mick popped him.


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Originally Posted By: 000
i recall seeing the video where mick punched andy in the back of the head while andy was turned away


Link?


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it was many years ago. not sure if it was even youtube. might be on a sarges surfing scrapbook video. and i wouldnt call it a fight, just a sucker punch people broke up quick. andy wasnt hurt, just pissed. mick was fake smiling.

i found the video. about 46 minutes in. someone save it to their hard drive


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Great movie and very heavy. The theater I went to had it playing on 2 different screens and both were sold out. I overheard someone say all theaters in SD were sold out except for 1.

Good to hear the raw honesty from Bruce, Andy's parents, his friends, and Lyndie about Andy's addiction and bipolar disorder. I hope this helps them heal while helping others that suffer from the same afflictions.


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Grif, you still playin that tired old game of I know something and you don't? Either spit it out or shut the hell up. Look at you tryin to stay relevant down there in Del Boca Vista - phase 2.

Good grief.

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Just playing with all your hate .

Such a waste of time .

That fight you brought up is what I was told about by another shapers wife , if true it was the turning point .

Being second hand so I don't go any further .

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Just playing with all your hate .

Such a waste of time .

That fight you brought up is what I was told about by another shapers wife , if true it was the turning point .

Being second hand so I don't go any further .



finally! we all know now, and we all knew all along too.... roflmao roflmao roflmao

so mysterious.


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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Just playing with all your hate .




And yet when people "play with your hate" you quickly play the victim.

Weird.


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Maybe has said plenty about myself like you .


This is you life here, to criticize and pass your judgement on others .

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Hope you had some fun today .

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You are so covertly aggressive.

It's cracks me up.

I simply took your bait and pointed out your hypocrisy, and what did you do? You played the victim. Like you always do.

I hope you had fun today.






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Aggressive is someone stalks others like yourself .

I dont follow you to comment on whatever you post .

Here it is again , your comments don't fit .


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You're such a nut.

I give you my word I will never respond to your posts again. wave2









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the design forum disagrees...


It’s like the GZA coming on after U-God
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passive agressive is like so nineties, innit?

i picture g.g. all huffed up and p/o'd in his spandex and leotards, in front of the mirror, popping in the "she's a maniac, maniac! for your love!" soundtrack and going all olivia newton john to work out his erBB stalker victim frustrations.

roflmao roflmao roflmao dancing

you're a maniac greg! a maniac for that erBB love.....


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Originally Posted By: 000
<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/273004564" width="640" height="480" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/273004564">andolph</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user78769721">Ee Kk</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> pulled from sarge


Aussie nutter vs. Hawaiian tweaker. Would have loved to see round 2.

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Aggressive is someone stalks others like yourself .

I dont follow you to comment on whatever you post .

Here it is again , your comments don't fit .


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You're such a nut.

I give you my word I will never respond to your posts again. wave2



He's been cyber stalking me for a couple of years now. Creepy.


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<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/273004564">andolph</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user78769721">Ee Kk</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> pulled from sarge


Aussie nutter vs. Hawaiian tweaker. Would have loved to see round 2.


Nah. Mick would have lit him up without even breathing. Would have been sad to see.


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if calling you stupid every time you post something stupid is stalking then
you've got a forum full of stalkers, stupid.


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if calling you stupid every time you post something stupid is stalking then
you've got a forum full of stalkers, stupid.


stalker!


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I still haven't seen the film.

I assumed that the Andy / Mick flare up was common knowledge. If you were on the Internet in 2000... it was everywhere. Interesting how it vanished. And no that wasn't a sucker punch. They were jawing face-to-face and Mick jabbed him clean. I also thought the Andy / Kelly physical altercation on the boat trip was well known. Were these incidents in the film?

If not, I will be disappointed and assume that we are getting another "Sea of Darkness" treatment. Sanitize it for the family, friends and sponsors.

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I still haven't seen the film.

I assumed that the Andy / Mick flare up was common knowledge. If you were on the Internet in 2000... it was everywhere. Interesting how it vanished. And no that wasn't a sucker punch. They were jawing face-to-face and Mick jabbed him clean. I also thought the Andy / Kelly physical altercation on the boat trip was well known. Were these incidents in the film?

If not, I will be disappointed and assume that we are getting another "Sea of Darkness" treatment. Sanitize it for the family, friends and sponsors.



It was sanitized in that it didn't portray him as an asshole.......just a drug addicted mentally ill nice guy.


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Good question. Was MMA even entering surfing back in 2000? Kaiborg talked about his own dark days with partying and putting bad stuff in his body.

What year did Danny Fuller choke out Joel Tudor? Danny and his boys wanted to shave Joel's long hair off and Joel wasn't down.

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Mick looked like he can box and Bjj aint shit against a real fighter. You better pray you get him on the ground and keep him there. Real punches hurt.

Really would love to see koby/Johnny going at it.

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I dont know if I buy the BBJ aint shit against a real fighter if were talking equal comparisons of skill level. I dont know a whole lot about BBJ but what makes it less effective than just throwing punches?

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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
I dont know if I buy the BBJ aint shit against a real fighter if were talking equal comparisons of skill level. I dont know a whole lot about BBJ but what makes it less effective than just throwing punches?


The following applies to one on one fights with no weapons.....

Someone with a bit of boxing training will make quick work of someone with no training. Someone with boxing skill and no grappling experience will get destroyed by someone trained in bjj (this of course assumes that the jiu jitsu practitioner can avoid the one single punch that is all thats required to knock a fooker out).

Its pretty simple (in concept). Close the distance, take him to the ground, advance position and submit your opponent.

A boxer with a good take down defense will give a straight sport bjj guy trouble.

An experienced jiu jitsu practitioner will be very difficult for anyone to beat in a fight.

Bjj against someone with no grappling experience is laughingly easy. Boring almost. Doesnt matter how much striking experience someone has, if they have no take down defense and no submission defense experience theyre gonna get choked.

The poster above who says bjj aint shit against a real fighter apparently has no fooking clue what hes talking about.

There certainly is a lot of bjj, the sport, that doesnt apply well to an actual fight. Ive been doing jiu jitsu long enough to where Im now at the point that Im basically just traing how to do jiu jitsu against people who are really good at jiu jitsu. It gets very technical and seemingly tiny adjustments make big differences. Very little of that type of thing translates well to a fight (other than the mat time adding to general toughness and resilience).

When you add strikes into the mix it really pares down what is useful to some very basic elements so anyone with a couple years of consistent bjj training (as long that training includes at least some striking) is going to be very difficult to defeat in a fight.

For myself personally, Ive had trained fighters smashing me into the ground, choking me, pulling on my limbs, and punching my face and body, day in and day out, week after week for almost a decade. Im used to it.

If youve never been hit or if youve never felt the pressure off a trained grappler on top of you you simply have no idea and are not at all prepared to deal with it.

That being said, Mick Campbell would have fucked up AI had the fight gone on.


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Yeah Duffy Im clueless. Training since 96

Context....was Andy training Bjj? If he was he looked like maybe a blue belt at best. I went on to read mick dabbled in pro boxing. Yeah we can agree mick wouldve fucked him up.

Go try fighting a pro boxer. Its not fun even blocking a jab. Like I said pray you close that distance fast. But hey, youre a fighter, right?

All of it is fantasy until applied in the real world.

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bjj is awesome

1-1 its great

Amateur tournament competitor vs pro fighter you might have a chance

Street fights its just not practical- its almost never a fair fight. Someone jumps in. It gets broken up....

I do recommend it for self defense

And confidence. See duffies posts. roflmao

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Yeah Duffy Im clueless. Training since 96


Training what?

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was Andy training Bjj?


No.

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If he was he looked like maybe a blue belt at best.


Where does he look like a blue belt? Is there a video of AI that shows this?

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Go try fighting a pro boxer.


I do. And pro kickboxers. And pro mma fighters. And they all kick my ass. But Ive had pro boxers and pro kick boxers on the ground and they dont know what to do.

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Its not fun even blocking a jab.


I think it is, but its not for everyone.

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Like I said pray you close that distance fast.


Praying wont help.

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But hey, youre a fighter, right?


I train in fighting sports. Bjj, Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling. I wouldnt call myself a fighter.

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Have I said anything that contradicts that?

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Amateur tournament competitor vs pro fighter you might have a chance


It depends on what kind of pro fighter.

Like I said above, any boxer or kickboxer with even basic take down and submission defense will be very difficult to deal with in a fight.

I honestly dont understand why this stuff gets people so riled up. Lets say I was a decent beach volleyball player who has been playing several times a week for years. If I were to say that I could easily beat a pro tennis player in a beach volleyball game thered be little disagreement.

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People have asked me what Id do if I were in a fight.

My answer is run away.


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I've been doing martial arts since I was a kid. (I'm 50 now)

One think I've learned is to never assume YOUR style is the best, There is always someone just as good in another style. Never underestimate anyone. Even someone that appears smaller or weaker.
I've seen a 2nd degree black belt picked up and thrown throw a wall at a party by a guy that whos only style was bad mofo on roids.
I've seen BJJ guys knocked out trying to grapple and karate guys taken down and choked out.
There is no such thing as the "best"
Any form of self defense is worth doing, but to assume one is better than the other and is going to help all people perform the same is not real life.

It's best to just avoid conflict unless you have no choice. To enter into a fight without knowing you are in the right is the quickest way to lose any fight. And the hardest thing to do is to walk away from a fight you know you can win.
Avoid conflict any chance you can....people today don't settle things the way we use to. They would rather shoot you than fight you. Fighting takes skill, pulling a trigger doesn't.

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my jew shitzu is far stronger than your jiu jitsu!

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I train

Do you train

BJJ is implied in the BJJ world

He looks like a blue belt at best is an old insult. Someone asked if Andy had been training with kaiborg at the time? Im saying no. A Bjj guy wouldve flopped on the ground and get pounded or go for the clench/takedown after taking a punch like that.

Even the best and toughest get humbled at some point in their lives. Jbd gets it. Cant wait to hear back from the infallible Duffy.

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Where have I said anything that contradicts this?

Read what I wrote.

I get humbled every time I train.

I just got done with 90 minutes of getting humbled this morning.

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Not sure what kind of BJJ youve been training that would make you think this.

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There is always someone just as good in another style.


Actually its been pretty well established what works and what doesnt.


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A Bjj guy wouldve flopped on the ground and get pounded or go for the clench/takedown after taking a punch like that.


Im done theres no point in arguing with you.

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Kissed by god is a shitty metaphor.


Tell that to Andy... his words about an experience in his life.


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A Bjj guy wouldve flopped on the ground and get pounded or go for the clench/takedown after taking a punch like that.


Im done theres no point in arguing with you.


Saying that a BJJ guy wouldve flopped on the ground makes me doubt that youve trained Bjj since 1996 as you claim.

Flopping and butt scooting is s relatively new thing that came about in tournaments fighting for points under ibjjf rules.

Some people dont train for the purposes of scoring points.

You really sound like someone who has a bit of contempt for jiu jitsu.


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Actually its been pretty well established what works and what doesnt.

In the ring I would agree. BJJ tends to win and has less chance of damage. Tell that to Aldo and a lot of guys that fight conner though. Wasn't too much BJJ after that punch.
Like Tyson says, everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.
My point is....there is is no magic style. Even the best of any style gets their a$$ handed to them. When I walked into my dojo the very first day I remember thinking....look at these guys, I bet I could take them now.
Took me 3-4 years before I could even go toe to toe with them. Underestimated their skill and lack of mine.

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Boxing vs MMA/BJJ Examples:
- Tim Sylvia VS Ray Mercer. Mercer connected beginning of the fight and it was lights out. If it went to the ground Mercer would have been toast.
- James Toney (my all time favorite light-mid weight boxer) vs Randy Coutoure - Coutoure touched his pinky toe and they went down, the fight ended in seconds with a choke. Toney looked like he did 0 preparation for ground training and got smoked.


Other examples.
Chuck Norris vs Rickson Gracie - Chuck handed Rickson his knee for a easy foot sweep take down, then handed him his back and he was toast.
Royce Gracie UFC - went through how many rounds of fighting various martial artists, street fighters, boxers, big small, fat, Sumo, etc to win the whole thing? Then he did it again, and then again. 3 UFC titles back when you could head butt and give uppercuts to the nuts.

It's pretty safe to say BJJ has at least been the most effective in competition. On the street where there aren't rules you might get a knife in your stomach, kicked in the head by your opponent's homies, shot, bitten, clubbed, arrested, etc, so yeah, run or diffuse. But since most people don't train, if the experienced boxer, karate guy, bjj guy etc is up against someone who doesn't it usually ends quickly and BJJ usually takes it. The Gracies sort of proved that throughout the years in their old Brazil beach/street videos and studio challenges.

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Actually its been pretty well established what works and what doesnt.

In the ring I would agree. BJJ tends to win and has less chance of damage. Tell that to Aldo and a lot of guys that fight conner though. Wasn't too much BJJ after that punch.
Like Tyson says, everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.
My point is....there is is no magic style. Even the best of any style gets their a$$ handed to them. When I walked into my dojo the very first day I remember thinking....look at these guys, I bet I could take them now.
Took me 3-4 years before I could even go toe to toe with them. Underestimated their skill and lack of mine.


Where did I say bjj by itself defeats all?

I very clearly stated that a boxer with some basic take down and submission defense would be very problematic for a bjj guy with little to no striking skill.

Muay Thai works. Boxing works. Wrestling works. Judo works. Submission grappling works. A combination of some or all of those works. Pretty much everything else, not so much.


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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Muay Thai works. Boxing works. Wrestling works. Judo works. Submission grappling works. A combination of some or all of those works. Pretty much everything else, not so much.

Sometimes no style works too...my cousin was a killer LB in high school. Has ZERO training, Just mean ole' redneck that's a beast with a bad attitude. I've seen him demolish a black belt before. The guy kicked him, he grabbed him picked him up and slammed him on concrete......done.

and I agree. We're saying the same thing.

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Royce Gracie UFC - went through how many rounds of fighting various martial artists, street fighters, boxers, big small, fat, Sumo, etc to win the whole thing? Then he did it again, and then again. 3 UFC titles back when you could head butt and give uppercuts to the nuts.

The early UFCs were a hoot to watch. It was made pretty clear early on that all the spin and jump kicks I grew up watching on ninja turtles, karate kid, Van Damme, Double Dragon, etc, while powerful if landed and cool to watch, were mostly impractical and likely to end badly for the person attempting them against a skilled grappler. Soon after MMA was mostly distilled down to jiu jitsu, boxing and thai kickboxing.
Seems that in recent years there have been some fighters that are reincorporating some of those types of maneuvers, but they are obviously well-versed in the fundamentals. It's pretty cool when you see a well executed kick to the dome that the other guy didn't see coming beer


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[ It's pretty cool when you see a well executed kick to the dome that the other guy didn't see coming beer


Like this (though he appears to be outmatched). Forward to 1:30. He got kicked so hard a snot slug dropped out of his nose and recoiled back in, or was that his brain hat . Impressive spray of sweat off his head from the impact of the foot/shin, and delayed fall too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfEWSRm7gc

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I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


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On the street where there aren't rules you might get a knife in your stomach, kicked in the head by your opponent's homies, shot, bitten, clubbed, arrested, etc, so yeah, run or diffuse.


Thats why I prefaced my first post on this subject by saying one on one, no weapons.


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The early UFCs were a hoot to watch. It was made pretty clear early on that all the spin and jump kicks I grew up watching on ninja turtles, karate kid, Van Damme, Double Dragon, etc, while powerful if landed and cool to watch, were mostly impractical and likely to end badly for the person attempting them against a skilled grappler. Soon after MMA was mostly distilled down to jiu jitsu, boxing and thai kickboxing.
Seems that in recent years there have been some fighters that are reincorporating some of those types of maneuvers, but they are obviously well-versed in the fundamentals. It's pretty cool when you see a well executed kick to the dome that the other guy didn't see coming beer


The current rule set in mma (UFC) favors wrestlers with striking ability. Relatively short rounds, stand ups, wrapped and gloves hands all will disadvantage a bjj based game. Demian Maia was one of the few guys who could compete at the top level using basically straight jiu jitsu in modern mma. But in order to get where he got he had to get good at wrestling.


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When you say wrestlers, do you mean grapplers in general or are you differentiating greco roman with BJJ confused2 I don't disagree, although I also don't know the fundamental differences. I probably should have specified wrestling as well, but I can't say where it actually diverges from BJJ shrug
The old UFCs were also painful to watch when 2 grapplers would go into guard for 10+ minutes sleeping Hence the round format. Most disappointing fight I ever watched was Dan Severn vs Ken Shamrock- IIRC they both were too cautious to make a move for the first 15 minutes foreheadslap


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Originally Posted By: Duffy
I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless. Mcgreggor has a Karate background and fights in a karate style stance.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.


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Originally Posted By: grapedrink
When you say wrestlers, do you mean grapplers in general or are you differentiating greco roman with BJJ confused2 I don't disagree, although I also don't know the fundamental differences. I probably should have specified wrestling as well, but I can't say where it actually diverges from BJJ shrug
The old UFCs were also painful to watch when 2 grapplers would go into guard for 10+ minutes sleeping Hence the round format. Most disappointing fight I ever watched was Dan Severn vs Ken Shamrock- IIRC they both were too cautious to make a move for the first 15 minutes foreheadslap


Yes, watching two grapplers try to rape each other for 25 minuets is boring for most people.

Ok, wrestling...

Im talking about college wrestling. A D1 college wrestler will fook you up. Theres a reason why no high level wrestlers were invited to UFC 1,2,3.

Heres why wrestling is so important to mma.

1. The way they train. Wrestlers simply train harder than anyone else in any sport anywhere. Period. They have a toughness and grit that only comes from years of grinding it out.

Train with some wrestlers if you ever get a chance. Its humbling.

2. A wrestler can determine when and if the fight goes to the ground. Even the most high level jiu jitsu practitioners will have a very hard time taking and keeping a wrestler down. Also, a striker is going to play a different game when they fear being taken down.

Now theres different styles of wresting and Im not really that knowledgeable of the intricacies of each style but basically you have college wrestling, Greco Roman (which is upper body centric) and Catch wrestling which is wrestling with submissions (cranks, locks, chokes).

Bjj is, simply put, submission wrestling in a gi. Nogi jiu jitsu is sometimes referred to as submission wrestling.

Theres also sambo (Russian combat art that includes strikes and submissions) and judo (and judo newaza).

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Im talking about college wrestling. A D1 college wrestler will fook you up. Theres a reason why no high level wrestlers were invited to UFC 1,2,3.


Yep. Always take a good look at someones ears before you fight them.

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I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.



i've been doing shito ryu for about a year and one-half. it's really fun to be out of your comfort zone and learning something new.

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I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.



i've been doing shito ryu for about a year and one-half. it's really fun to be out of your comfort zone and learning something new.





Best attitude to have in a dojo. You will do well. Learn as much as you can. Never ask about belts, never tell the sensei you hate kata unless you want to do kata everyday smile

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Originally Posted By: jbd
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I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless. Mcgreggor has a Karate background and fights in a karate style stance.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.



I got a black belt in karate 25 years ago. I havent practiced the art for over 20. First time I got in the ring with a Thai boxer and got leg kicked I realized that my karate background wasnt going to help me. smile

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Im talking about college wrestling. A D1 college wrestler will fook you up. Theres a reason why no high level wrestlers were invited to UFC 1,2,3.


Yep. Always take a good look at someones ears before you fight them.


Yes, an unfortunate side effect of grappling. Cauliflower ears suck.

There are other signs to look for in addition to fucked up ears, but the ears are the most obvious.


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Kissed by God is back on the calendar. https://www.tetongravity.com/films/andy-irons-kissed-by-god/tour

Who wants to go with me and Marianne on 6/24 at 9PM? C'Mon Y'all!

Oh and there is a lot of good buried in this thread. Goodfish, thank you for the link (https://beachgrit.com/2018/05/kissed-by-god/) "Where were you when Andy died? Is it significant enough to stand out?"

My response (Ted 2.0's early days): The night of Andy's death I was a hospital inpatient, 65 days into my recovery from a nearly fatal car wreck. The accident was my fault and nobody else was injured, thank God. The first week and a half (or so) I was in the ICU with halo brace, tracheostomy, and stomach tube, tied down and on heavy meds that prevented me from remembering anything from ~1 hour before the wreck until they pulled me off meds two weeks after. I will never forget that sense of shock finding out that Andy died just after my near miss; Andy never made it to 33 years old and here I was in a halo with a stomach tube hanging out having barely survived into my fifth month of my 33rd year.

I'm so glad be here - enjoying each and every day. Life is good. Cheers to remembering Philip Andrew Irons and spending some quality time together at La Paloma!

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all this chest puffing and posturing, AI would be proud.

and by the way, i am dead phooking serious aboot my jew shitzu, eh? back da phoook off! he bites!

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all this chest puffing and posturing


See my beach volleyball analogy.


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Kissed by God is back on the calendar. https://www.tetongravity.com/films/andy-irons-kissed-by-god/tour

Who wants to go with me and Marianne on 6/24 at 9PM? C'Mon Y'all!

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My response (Ted 2.0's early days): The night of Andy's death I was a hospital inpatient, 65 days into my recovery from a nearly fatal car wreck. The accident was my fault and nobody else was injured, thank God. The first week and a half (or so) I was in the ICU with halo brace, tracheostomy, and stomach tube, tied down and on heavy meds that prevented me from remembering anything from ~1 hour before the wreck until they pulled me off meds two weeks after. I will never forget that sense of shock finding out that Andy died just after my near miss; Andy never made it to 33 years old and here I was in a halo with a stomach tube hanging out having barely survived into my fifth month of my 33rd year.

I'm so glad be here - enjoying each and every day. Life is good. Cheers to remembering Philip Andrew Irons and spending some quality time together at La Paloma!


Thanks for the heads up on the dates! Got my ticket booked for Encinitas on the 26th at 6:30. Yew!

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I've seen him demolish a black belt before.

Black belt in what?

I got a black belt in karate. Its completely worthless against any mediocre Thai boxer.

It was fun to do karate but I was totally delusional in thinking it help in a fight.


I don't think Karate is worthless, I have one in Shorin Ryu. Nothing is worthless. Mcgreggor has a Karate background and fights in a karate style stance.
and a belt is only for rank in your own dojo. A belt won't help you in real life, nobody cares or asks.
One schools blue belt may be more advanced than anothers black belt...... you have a black belt, you know this.



I got a black belt in karate 25 years ago. I havent practiced the art for over 20. First time I got in the ring with a Thai boxer and got leg kicked I realized that my karate background wasnt going to help me. smile



There is a really wide variance in Karate. I'd go so far as to say 90% of what is out there is fraudulent. If you'd trained all that time in say a good Kyokushin dojo that leg kick wouldn't have been an issue for you at all. I once had a guy who was reputedly a New York golden gloves thing attempt to take my head off in casual training. One leg kick ended it. His hands were better than mine at that distance, but he hadn't a clue re any other distance. So obviously that's where you take them. Kick a TKD guy in the leg and he'll look at you like you just stabbed his puppy dog. (no doubt there are exceptions to that, that was just my experience)

Back to "the fight" I believe Mick's father had been a pro boxer and I believe Mick had a couple of fights under his belt. One knockout and one on points as I remember. Swinging the surfboard made Andy look like a bitch. Of course, I'm not sure if Mick ever went back to the North Shore after that.


For your entertainment... what the old school game of tournament "tag" used to look like. It don't look like this anymore.



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Of course, I'm not sure if Mick ever went back to the North Shore after that.

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Of course, I'm not sure if Mick ever went back to the North Shore after that.


I said that.

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There is a really wide variance in Karate. I'd go so far as to say 90% of what is out there is fraudulent. If you'd trained all that time in say a good Kyokushin dojo that wouldn't have been an issue.


It was legit full contact Kempo.

Still lacking in so many ways at that time....


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Yes you did , that fight was over something much larger .

Andy was no match and very frustrated with that .

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There is a really wide variance in Karate. I'd go so far as to say 90% of what is out there is fraudulent. If you'd trained all that time in say a good Kyokushin dojo that wouldn't have been an issue.


It was legit full contact Kempo.

Still lacking in so many ways at that time....


We used to sublet from a Kempo school in the late seventies. IMHO, it was very low power, and overly complicated. Inter style sparring tended to not end well for them. But that was a different time and place. I have no idea who you were training with.

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Yes you did , that fight was over something much larger .

Andy was no match and very frustrated with that .


The surfboard thing was kind of a bitch move IMO.

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full contact no pads. no thanks. i need my body to stay intact so i can hang on to my mediocre surfing skills.

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Yes you did , that fight was over something much larger .

Andy was no match and very frustrated with that .


The surfboard thing was kind of a bitch move IMO.


Even on land he let his surfing do his talking.


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Of course, I'm not sure if Mick ever went back to the North Shore after that.


I said that.


roflmao

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There is a really wide variance in Karate. I'd go so far as to say 90% of what is out there is fraudulent. If you'd trained all that time in say a good Kyokushin dojo that wouldn't have been an issue.


It was legit full contact Kempo.

We used to sublet from a Kempo school in the late seventies. IMHO, it was very low power, and overly complicated. Inter style sparring tended to not end well for them. But that was a different time and place. I have no idea who you were training with.

Still lacking in so many ways at that time....



Remember the very first UFC fight? He was a Kempo guy, I met him at a tourney years later. He kicked the Sumo guys teeth out. Think his name was Keith?


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full contact no pads. no thanks. i need my body to stay intact so i can hang on to my mediocre surfing skills.


When we spar now we wear boxing gloves and shin guards for MT and mma sparring gloves, pillows for mma.

We dont throw elbows (too bloody).

I can only absorb the abuse 2-3 times per month (and walk with a limp much of the rest of the time). I dont spar (striking) at all during winter (swell season).

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full contact no pads. no thanks. i need my body to stay intact so i can hang on to my mediocre surfing skills.


When we spar now we wear boxing gloves and shin guards for MT and mma sparring gloves, pillows for mma.

We dont throw elbows (too bloody).

I can only absorb the abuse 2-3 times per month. I dont spar (striking) at all during winter (swell season).


That's how we would spar right before tourneys. Otherwise the whole dojo is beat up.
I broke my senseis hand once fighting no gloves , (he caught my elbow punching my gut.)
He was pissed at my for a month. All I did is block like he taught me.
I was basically the class dummy every time he wanted to show the class something after that.
Never spar with the sensei....ha!

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That's how we would spar right before tourneys. Otherwise the whole dojo is beat up.


Yeah, you just cant spar striking very often over time. Im heading back in tomorrow after a month off.

The good thing about jiu jitsu (and wrestling) is that you can go at or near 100% day in and day out.

We never go anywhere near 100% when striking.


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I wrestled in high school, in South Florida no less. Ever heard of Belle Glade? You know how many pro NFL players came out of that little podunk town. I wrestled a few of those guys in my day. They were scary to face on the mat.

Most intense "sport" I've ever played. Practice sucked. Christmas break sucked. Summer sucked. All we did was train, wrestle, train, run, lift, train some more. Then when its time for the match you gotta watch your weight before weigh in and all that.

But I'm grateful for what I learned. I think I still have a lot of stored in muscle memory and brain. I've been wanting to try BJJ. They just started up a school here. Curious to see how much of my wrestling would translate over.

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There is a really wide variance in Karate. I'd go so far as to say 90% of what is out there is fraudulent. If you'd trained all that time in say a good Kyokushin dojo that wouldn't have been an issue.


It was legit full contact Kempo.

We used to sublet from a Kempo school in the late seventies. IMHO, it was very low power, and overly complicated. Inter style sparring tended to not end well for them. But that was a different time and place. I have no idea who you were training with.

Still lacking in so many ways at that time....



Remember the very first UFC fight? He was a Kempo guy, I met him at a tourney years later. He kicked the Sumo guys teeth out. Think his name was Keith?



Gerard Gordeau. Dutch guy. He trained Savate (a French kickboxing style). Fought quite a bit of vale tudo in Brazil and japan as well.

He was also a karate champion at some point, I believe.


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I wrestled in high school, in South Florida no less. Ever heard of Belle Glade? You know how many pro NFL players came out of that little podunk town. I wrestled a few of those guys in my day. They were scary to face on the mat.

Most intense "sport" I've ever played. Practice sucked. Christmas break sucked. Summer sucked. All we did was train, wrestle, train, run, lift, train some more. Then when its time for the match you gotta watch your weight before weigh in and all that.

But I'm grateful for what I learned. I think I still have a lot of stored in muscle memory and brain. I've been wanting to try BJJ. They just started up a school here. Curious to see how much of my wrestling would translate over.


I only recently started wrestling a couple years ago (after doing jiu jitsu for several years) so I can only tell you my thoughts on wrestlers that I have done jiu jitsu against....

The good:

Even high school wrestlers who havent been on the mats in years, decades, are so obviously better than any Joe Schmo off the street with no grappling background. They just understand a lot of ground movements, have great hips, good top pressure and are hard, to very hard, to hold down. Someone with relatively recent wrestling experience is going to be very difficult to sweep and stay on top of. Its tough to get, and keep, a wrestler on his back.

The bad:

They dont know submissions and tend to come at you head first, neck exposed. Someone fighting off their back is new to them. They are very confident being on top and are easy to sub from the bottom. Guillotines all day long.

Not comfortable fighting off their backs which is a big part of jiu jitsu.

Also the gi is used as a weapon against them (mine and theirs) and provides great grips if you know what to do with them. Wrestlers have no experience in the gi. In no gi bjj that advantage is obviously taken away and wrestlers tend to favor no gi bjj.

Personally I recommend do both gi and no gi. Just train. If its no gi night, train. If its gi night train.

All in all wrestling in your background will help you immensely but in talking with the former wrestlers I train with they dont really feel like its helped them that much (but it really has).

I can tell if someone has a wrestling background within seconds of engaging with them. If theyre big and young I know Im in for a tough roll.

You should definitely do it.

Protect your neck and youre half way there already...:)


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Even high school wrestlers who havent been on the mats in years, decades, are so obviously better than any Joe Schmo off the street with no grappling background. They just understand a lot of ground movements, have great hips, good top pressure and are hard, to very hard, to hold down. Someone with relatively recent wrestling experience is going to be very difficult to sweep and stay on top of. Its tough to get, and keep, a wrestler on his back.


Stop the thread hijacking. grin

My older brother... 2nd in the state in high school... hasn't wrestled since and still holds his own (or outright owns) most people he's come up against in altercations over the years... and he's been in quite a few.


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Even high school wrestlers who havent been on the mats in years, decades, are so obviously better than any Joe Schmo off the street with no grappling background. They just understand a lot of ground movements, have great hips, good top pressure and are hard, to very hard, to hold down. Someone with relatively recent wrestling experience is going to be very difficult to sweep and stay on top of. Its tough to get, and keep, a wrestler on his back.


Stop the thread hijacking. grin

My older brother... 2nd in the state in high school... hasn't wrestled since and still holds his own (or outright owns) most people he's come up against in altercations over the years... and he's been in quite a few.


Yeah, like I said earlier, wrestlers will fook you up.

Most people just arent used to being handled. Wrestlers are steeped in it.


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Even high school wrestlers who havent been on the mats in years, decades, are so obviously better than any Joe Schmo off the street with no grappling background. They just understand a lot of ground movements, have great hips, good top pressure and are hard, to very hard, to hold down. Someone with relatively recent wrestling experience is going to be very difficult to sweep and stay on top of. Its tough to get, and keep, a wrestler on his back.


Stop the thread hijacking. grin

My older brother... 2nd in the state in high school... hasn't wrestled since and still holds his own (or outright owns) most people he's come up against in altercations over the years... and he's been in quite a few.


Yeah, like I said earlier, wrestlers will fook you up.

Most people just arent used to being handled. Wrestlers are steeped in it.


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i was just trippin out that bruce is 37 now, andy would be about to turn 40

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I think the Pine Tree's grom contest I went to turned out to be Andy's last. Still got my hat!



Andy was in Australia. Halfway through the trophy presentation for the kids on the beach, the rep for Billabong then (Enick (sp) ) got a call out to Andy and they pumped the call out over the beach, through the PA system. It was pretty cool and ALL the kids were really stoked to talk and hear Andy. No matter the discussion on drugs. Andy's SURFING, did speak entirely, for its self. No one on the WSL since the Kelly / Andy rivalry has had that much of an influence on contest or free surfing.


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he died, he had 3 rehabs, and he still couldnt stay clean.... and bruce is on the same path
its hard to find a silver lining
andy had that line slater told us where he wanted to make a documentary to help at least 1 kid

well maybe his death caused someone to stay clean? thats about as silvery a lining i can come up with

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he died, he had 3 rehabs, and he still couldnt stay clean.... and bruce is on the same path
its hard to find a silver lining

he wanted to make a documentary to help at least 1 kid


Bruce: That 1 kid needs to be you... Get help, get it together, buddy

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