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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: GWS] #2804208
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Of course, I'm not sure if Mick ever went back to the North Shore after that.


I said that.


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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: GWS] #2804253
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Originally Posted By: GWS
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There is a really wide variance in Karate. I'd go so far as to say 90% of what is out there is fraudulent. If you'd trained all that time in say a good Kyokushin dojo that wouldn't have been an issue.


It was legit full contact Kempo.

We used to sublet from a Kempo school in the late seventies. IMHO, it was very low power, and overly complicated. Inter style sparring tended to not end well for them. But that was a different time and place. I have no idea who you were training with.

Still lacking in so many ways at that time....



Remember the very first UFC fight? He was a Kempo guy, I met him at a tourney years later. He kicked the Sumo guys teeth out. Think his name was Keith?


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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: obslop] #2804254
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Originally Posted By: obslop
full contact no pads. no thanks. i need my body to stay intact so i can hang on to my mediocre surfing skills.


When we spar now we wear boxing gloves and shin guards for MT and mma sparring gloves, pillows for mma.

We dont throw elbows (too bloody).

I can only absorb the abuse 2-3 times per month (and walk with a limp much of the rest of the time). I dont spar (striking) at all during winter (swell season).

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Originally Posted By: Duffy
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full contact no pads. no thanks. i need my body to stay intact so i can hang on to my mediocre surfing skills.


When we spar now we wear boxing gloves and shin guards for MT and mma sparring gloves, pillows for mma.

We dont throw elbows (too bloody).

I can only absorb the abuse 2-3 times per month. I dont spar (striking) at all during winter (swell season).


That's how we would spar right before tourneys. Otherwise the whole dojo is beat up.
I broke my senseis hand once fighting no gloves , (he caught my elbow punching my gut.)
He was pissed at my for a month. All I did is block like he taught me.
I was basically the class dummy every time he wanted to show the class something after that.
Never spar with the sensei....ha!

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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: jbd] #2804264
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That's how we would spar right before tourneys. Otherwise the whole dojo is beat up.


Yeah, you just cant spar striking very often over time. Im heading back in tomorrow after a month off.

The good thing about jiu jitsu (and wrestling) is that you can go at or near 100% day in and day out.

We never go anywhere near 100% when striking.


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I wrestled in high school, in South Florida no less. Ever heard of Belle Glade? You know how many pro NFL players came out of that little podunk town. I wrestled a few of those guys in my day. They were scary to face on the mat.

Most intense "sport" I've ever played. Practice sucked. Christmas break sucked. Summer sucked. All we did was train, wrestle, train, run, lift, train some more. Then when its time for the match you gotta watch your weight before weigh in and all that.

But I'm grateful for what I learned. I think I still have a lot of stored in muscle memory and brain. I've been wanting to try BJJ. They just started up a school here. Curious to see how much of my wrestling would translate over.

Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: jbd] #2804514
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Originally Posted By: jbd
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There is a really wide variance in Karate. I'd go so far as to say 90% of what is out there is fraudulent. If you'd trained all that time in say a good Kyokushin dojo that wouldn't have been an issue.


It was legit full contact Kempo.

We used to sublet from a Kempo school in the late seventies. IMHO, it was very low power, and overly complicated. Inter style sparring tended to not end well for them. But that was a different time and place. I have no idea who you were training with.

Still lacking in so many ways at that time....



Remember the very first UFC fight? He was a Kempo guy, I met him at a tourney years later. He kicked the Sumo guys teeth out. Think his name was Keith?



Gerard Gordeau. Dutch guy. He trained Savate (a French kickboxing style). Fought quite a bit of vale tudo in Brazil and japan as well.

He was also a karate champion at some point, I believe.


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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: TangTonic] #2804519
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I wrestled in high school, in South Florida no less. Ever heard of Belle Glade? You know how many pro NFL players came out of that little podunk town. I wrestled a few of those guys in my day. They were scary to face on the mat.

Most intense "sport" I've ever played. Practice sucked. Christmas break sucked. Summer sucked. All we did was train, wrestle, train, run, lift, train some more. Then when its time for the match you gotta watch your weight before weigh in and all that.

But I'm grateful for what I learned. I think I still have a lot of stored in muscle memory and brain. I've been wanting to try BJJ. They just started up a school here. Curious to see how much of my wrestling would translate over.


I only recently started wrestling a couple years ago (after doing jiu jitsu for several years) so I can only tell you my thoughts on wrestlers that I have done jiu jitsu against....

The good:

Even high school wrestlers who havent been on the mats in years, decades, are so obviously better than any Joe Schmo off the street with no grappling background. They just understand a lot of ground movements, have great hips, good top pressure and are hard, to very hard, to hold down. Someone with relatively recent wrestling experience is going to be very difficult to sweep and stay on top of. Its tough to get, and keep, a wrestler on his back.

The bad:

They dont know submissions and tend to come at you head first, neck exposed. Someone fighting off their back is new to them. They are very confident being on top and are easy to sub from the bottom. Guillotines all day long.

Not comfortable fighting off their backs which is a big part of jiu jitsu.

Also the gi is used as a weapon against them (mine and theirs) and provides great grips if you know what to do with them. Wrestlers have no experience in the gi. In no gi bjj that advantage is obviously taken away and wrestlers tend to favor no gi bjj.

Personally I recommend do both gi and no gi. Just train. If its no gi night, train. If its gi night train.

All in all wrestling in your background will help you immensely but in talking with the former wrestlers I train with they dont really feel like its helped them that much (but it really has).

I can tell if someone has a wrestling background within seconds of engaging with them. If theyre big and young I know Im in for a tough roll.

You should definitely do it.

Protect your neck and youre half way there already...:)


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Re: Andy Irons movie review: Kissed by God [Re: Duffy] #2804529
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Even high school wrestlers who havent been on the mats in years, decades, are so obviously better than any Joe Schmo off the street with no grappling background. They just understand a lot of ground movements, have great hips, good top pressure and are hard, to very hard, to hold down. Someone with relatively recent wrestling experience is going to be very difficult to sweep and stay on top of. Its tough to get, and keep, a wrestler on his back.


Stop the thread hijacking. grin

My older brother... 2nd in the state in high school... hasn't wrestled since and still holds his own (or outright owns) most people he's come up against in altercations over the years... and he's been in quite a few.


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Even high school wrestlers who havent been on the mats in years, decades, are so obviously better than any Joe Schmo off the street with no grappling background. They just understand a lot of ground movements, have great hips, good top pressure and are hard, to very hard, to hold down. Someone with relatively recent wrestling experience is going to be very difficult to sweep and stay on top of. Its tough to get, and keep, a wrestler on his back.


Stop the thread hijacking. grin

My older brother... 2nd in the state in high school... hasn't wrestled since and still holds his own (or outright owns) most people he's come up against in altercations over the years... and he's been in quite a few.


Yeah, like I said earlier, wrestlers will fook you up.

Most people just arent used to being handled. Wrestlers are steeped in it.


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Even high school wrestlers who havent been on the mats in years, decades, are so obviously better than any Joe Schmo off the street with no grappling background. They just understand a lot of ground movements, have great hips, good top pressure and are hard, to very hard, to hold down. Someone with relatively recent wrestling experience is going to be very difficult to sweep and stay on top of. Its tough to get, and keep, a wrestler on his back.


Stop the thread hijacking. grin

My older brother... 2nd in the state in high school... hasn't wrestled since and still holds his own (or outright owns) most people he's come up against in altercations over the years... and he's been in quite a few.


Yeah, like I said earlier, wrestlers will fook you up.

Most people just arent used to being handled. Wrestlers are steeped in it.


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i was just trippin out that bruce is 37 now, andy would be about to turn 40

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