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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: deforest] #2768885
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Originally Posted By: deforest
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i have 2 sp2’s and theyre epic. will order nother gmm2 soon and also an skx. u surf goodvwaves compared to a lot of us. sp2 is pretty magic

Haha, I only post photos of the good days. We get our fair share of slop too. Although the next week is looking epic, and I've got 2 weeks off work! Yew!
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Ya know... I was a huge fan of the SP2. I’ve talked about it a lot and messaged tomo about it a lot. I was so sad when I heard it was supposed it be discontinued from XTR (which turns out you can still order it), but after riding the Cymatic I’m at a loss. The Cymatic is so INSANE! The rocker is perfect! The rails are perfect! Everything about it feels so good! It feels noticeably faster than the SP2. It has a more narrow tail and the nose is more pulled in as well. It’s almost a totoally different board. The channels on the Cymatic stop at the middle of the board but the channels in the SP2 go all the way to the nose. It has a completely different rocker too. I’ve ridden a ton of Tomos designs and this one and the el tomo have really stood out to me! I have no desire to surf any other board than the Cymatic. I made a small little edit with some waves from 2 days last week. My surfing sucks (haha) but you can really see the speed of the board on the last 2 waves.

I would say get the Cymatic Dan! You won’t regret it! Sincerely.


Good to know! Is your Cymatic in XTR or FW? I used to love FWs long time, but I really haven't been impressed with LFT. XTR seems much more durable.

You see that Japanese dude on Instagram's Vader-nosed SP2?


Yeah I saw it. That’s the OG sci phi. I heard it went insane. JKB was the first person I ever saw that owned one.
FW isn’t that bad. They are constantly evolving their construction and I think they are getting better each year. I think the new Cymatic is the lightest LFT I’ve ever felt. I’m not quite sold on the helium tech but it’s cool how open minded they are to materials.

SP2 is still a great board. But I’m all over this Cymatic.

JKB you u should demo a 5’3 Cymatic. I’d be curious to hear your feedback.


I tend to like boards with a bit more tail rocker in the first place, so I'd be willing to bet I'd like it better than the various iterations of the sci-phi.

Is yours a 5'3 Deforest?


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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2768946
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Yeah mine is a 5’3”.

Yeah you’d definitely like it then. The rocker is pRobably the best part about the board.


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What's up with this bullet nose one though??

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What's up with this bullet nose one though??


DAMMM! I know! I saw that on Kelly's IG and was freaking out. I hate it when they show pictures like this!. wink I kinda like it, but i kinda think it would shorten up the rail line and not ride as good as it does now?? Idk though... If I could change the nose of the Cymatic, i'd change it to more of a Hydronaut nose like that old Vector Tomo used to ride in the late 2000's. I think it had a yellow airbrush on the tail. It had a batail with a torpedo-ish nose. Looked SUPER good like that.


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i dont see how cymatic is faster than sp2 if it has more rocker


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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: Havoc4k] #2769631
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Originally Posted By: Havoc4k
i dont see how cymatic is faster than sp2 if it has more rocker


Yeah, that's what I thought. Doesn't make sense.

As for Cymatic vs SP2, I sent XTR an email with some questions about them. This is what Shey told me:

"The SP2 and the Cymatic are exactly the same, the original sic-phi shape is the one with the Vader nose, Daniel revamped it and gave us the file, we dubbed it SP2 (Sci-Phi 2). Then Slater liked the SP2 when he rode it, put it in his lineup this year and called it the Cymatic."


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The flat rocker vs. more rocker is an interesting question. I didn't think about that. It just automatically felt faster. I will ride my SP2 and see if I can figure out whats going on because the Cymatic definitely feels faster to me.

As far as the SP2 vs. Cymatic goes... thats just not true. I love XTR and all the guys that work there. Javier, Shey, Pato, Cacho, Jerry, the finish sanders, the glassers, etc., but I have had 3 SP2's -- 1 prototype that was Quinten's, and 2 others (1 that i ordered in my personal dims that i have now, and 1 that i traded Casa). If anything the rocker feels like the prototype that I got from Quinten but the SP2 i have now and the SP2 i got from Casa are definitely different rocker templates. I measured the tail rocker on my current SP2 and its lower than the Cymatic. The nose is also more narrow on the Cymatic and wider on the SP2. Also the channels on the Cymatic fade towards the middle of the board and on the SP2 they go all the way through to the nose.

I remember when Javier told me they were discontinuing the SP2 (and even though he didn't say it), I knew it had to do with Kelly. Which is fine in a way -- his brand Slater Designs, and Slater himself, probably had a significant contribution to making the Sci-fi as popular as it was, and since the Sci-fi and Omni were released under Slater Designs it would make sense to release a version, that combines both of those models, under Slater Designs as well. I think XTR is still able to make some SP2's (under the radar) which i think is very cool of both Tomo and Kelly, IMO. But they are surely not the same model.

I think there is room for both of them in a quiver. SP2 for smaller days and Cymatic for bigger days.


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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: Goodfish] #2769915
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Goodfish- TBH, I wouldn't assume Shey has seen or felt up a Cymatic to realize what changes Tomo may have made. He told me the same a couple months ago: that Slater "took" it from them and wouldn't let XTR market the SP2 on their site, but that they could still build it from the file. Note that XTR also doesn't have files for the Omni or SciPhi shapes- at least exactly as SD sells them. But clearly these models are tweaks from Tomo's previous designs and they are all related. Certainly, the Cymatic came from the SP2, but I think the tweaks (that Deforest detailed) amount to an evolution of the shape. The amount you'd notice those modifications depends on the individual, and I'll defer to owners of the SP2 (by all accounts a killer design) for direct comparison. Your enjoyment of the tail rocker vs. SP2 may be down to personal preference, but this board sure is easy to throw around.

Having an Evo and Omni, I think it slots in well between those two in a Tomo 3-board quiver for 95% of the year. We've finally gotten some swell here in SanDiego, I've now ridden my Cymatic 4-5x, here are my impressions so far: The thinned-out rails, nose, tail are most similar to an Omni, rather than an Evo, making it feel more HP than blocky/floaty. It doesn't have the effortless speed of the Evo, but if waves are above waist-high, I would reach for this over Evo due to the radical turning. It's bat tail & more-rockered back third compared to the Omni (at about the same length) makes it easier to jam sharper turns. It is a blast to ride even in the small stuff, but especially in 4-5'.

@ShredShow had a helpful mini review: https://www.instagram.com/p/BgrPV9FhwBA/
And I thought his quote rang true for me too: "...for me the Cymatic is a high performance shortboard for someone who doesn’t surf high performance shortboards."

also, this Q&A might be helpful: https://firewiresurfboards.com/the-wire/cymatic-tomos-new-shape-slater-designs/

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Deforest- This might sounds silly, but I think it's possible some of the "faster" feeling you are noticing might be more on the turns than down-the-line speed. I've never had a board that turned on a dime like this bat tail, and releases so quickly. That "whip" feels fast -if that makes sense. I now see why some of the SciFi's reviews described it's turning as "electric". I've heard others call it skittish as well (see below), but they apparently narrowed the tail for the Cymatic which would presumably help.

I still need to experiment with fins. I feel like my Large FW FCS2s have been catching a little bit after a snap, and it's squirelly for a half-second before it releases to set a rail again down the line.
I thought I noticed this in KS’ video as well, where he re-adjusts for a split second after completing a snap/carve- of course he's burning off much more speed through his turns.
Maybe that's the “clawing” effect that Tomo has described with that bat tail... @shredshow made an excellent point about needing less fin with the channels: so, I need to try Medium fins.
Anyone else had this sensation with the bat tail on the Cymatic or SciFi??

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Yeah, I thought it was to say they are exactly the same as the differences are evident in your photos of the two boards. Anyway, think I'm gonna go for a SP2. Does it need the 5 fin set up, or do you ride always ride it as a thruster?


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Originally Posted By: Goodfish
Yeah, I thought it was to say they are exactly the same as the differences are evident in your photos of the two boards. Anyway, think I'm gonna go for a SP2. Does it need the 5 fin set up, or do you ride always ride it as a thruster?


Actually, I always ride it as a quad.
I always thought it was best to order a 5 fin in everything because then you always have the option of switching it up. But after talking to Javier he said the additional fin boxes add weight that could be avoided. He also said he doesnt like that so many options. He said he'd rather just have a board be a thruster or a quad and not worry about it. I thought these were good points, but unless I still think 5 fins are best! haha.

One bit of advice on the SP2 is go thicker if you need more volume rather than wider. I felt like that board worked really well with more narrow dims. I remember asking Tomo about dims on that one and he said to order it in the same dims as the Vader i ride. I ended up ordering dims same as the evo i ride (i though i knew better than Tomo but probably should have listened to him). I think Casa had perfect dims on the one i got from him (5'3 x 18 3/8 x 2 1/4 x 24.5L). His SP2 has 3 fins boxes and worked really good. Also, the HD blue stringer is best (as I'm sure you know).


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When I used to get boards from Chris Gallagher, he wouldn't do 5 fin Futures cause it made the tail too stiff and heavy with the boxes and extra resin. He'd do FCS quad rears if you really wanted it, but he'd rather just do either thruster or quad.

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Good points, but I kinda hate quads. Much prefer the feeling of a thruster. Gonna get the blue stringer with the SL-CK carbon space ship thing. Was considering going super sci-fi and getting the double carbon stringer option, but not sure what that would do and don't want the board to be too light.


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Originally Posted By: Goodfish
Good points, but I kinda hate quads. Much prefer the feeling of a thruster. Gonna get the blue stringer with the SL-CK carbon space ship thing. Was considering going super sci-fi and getting the double carbon stringer option, but not sure what that would do and don't want the board to be too light.


That parallel carbon looks sick! I almost ordered that on my El Tomo, but went with a wooden stringer. I would have went with the HD Blue stringer, but the El Tomo is already expensive and i added color (gray) so i didn't want to spend any more on the HD Blue.

I think you'll love the SP2 as a thruster. The channels already make it fast. I had some fins with a lot of rake and it was pretty loose and fast.

That aluminum carbon arrow strip looks so RADICAL!! If you have the cash Javier can really make some amazing looking boards!
There is a guy named Jerry at XTR that is doing some old school pin stripes and colors (all epoxy work) on Takayama's boards. One design is a spear with pin stripes and different colors in the back! Suuuper sick!


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