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#2762797 - 03/13/18 03:32 PM College costs.
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Billy made a good point in another thread. Worthy of its own thread.

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Leftists own academia

Problem for them is that academia is on the verge of being destroyed for being massively inefficient

It was a great run acting as freak show gatekeepers to bourgeois society

Problem is if you keep raising prices, more and more people start to question the value

Also, its bad business to spit on your customers

Better brush up on your dumpster diving knowledge



My kids are quickly approaching college age. College costs have become a complete joke.

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#2762800 - 03/13/18 03:38 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GromsDad]
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#2762802 - 03/13/18 03:40 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Billy made a good point in another thread. Worthy of its own thread.

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Leftists own academia

Problem for them is that academia is on the verge of being destroyed for being massively inefficient

It was a great run acting as freak show gatekeepers to bourgeois society

Problem is if you keep raising prices, more and more people start to question the value

Also, its bad business to spit on your customers

Better brush up on your dumpster diving knowledge



My kids are quickly approaching college age. College costs have become a complete joke.


As a holder of 2 higher education degrees one from America and one from Australia (BTW they cost very very similar) I am not put off by the costs associated with these institutions. I am put off by 2 things though:

1) Use of education funds for professional sporting teams and the scholarships for those athletes who could not or would not otherwise be in the school. Get rid of this shit out of schools and focus on education.

2) Government raping us on loans...my loan for my master degree is almost 8%. That's no subsidisation at all. I can buy a car at 0-3% and i can buy a house at 4%? WTF is wrong with this picture...The math to me doesnt add up. More or less need education to get a job these days so the government penalises those that cant afford it for the next 20 years by raping people on loans. If the governement lowered interest rates to be indexed with inflation or effectively zero it would provide major relief and allow more people to get higher education. Higher education equals higher paying jobs which equals higher tax revenue and more spending. The payoff for more subdisised education would for outweight the screwjob we have going on right now.

On a side note stanford is doing the right thing. if familes cant afford to pay then stanford pays as long as the student can get in.

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#2762803 - 03/13/18 03:42 PM Re: College costs. [Re: Zander]
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Edited by GWS (03/13/18 03:44 PM)

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#2762804 - 03/13/18 03:45 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GromsDad]
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I don't think campuses are as out of hand as the headlines and videos would lead you to believe.

I do think that costs are inflated.

If you pick a career in a job sector with growth, the degree almost does not matter with the
exceptions of those disciplines that require extensive training such as medical.

I'm buying my kids a 3d printer and getting them in to a kid cad program for summer.

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#2762805 - 03/13/18 03:46 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GromsDad]
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Gromsdad: Why is college tuition so expensive?

Also Gromsdad: LIB'RULLS!!!
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#2762820 - 03/13/18 04:01 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Billy made a good point in another thread. Worthy of its own thread.

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Leftists own academia

Problem for them is that academia is on the verge of being destroyed for being massively inefficient

It was a great run acting as freak show gatekeepers to bourgeois society

Problem is if you keep raising prices, more and more people start to question the value

Also, its bad business to spit on your customers

Better brush up on your dumpster diving knowledge



My kids are quickly approaching college age. College costs have become a complete joke.


You should have voted for Bernie.
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#2762824 - 03/13/18 04:04 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GromsDad]
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the NY Fed did a study on the relationship between increased Federal loans for college and increasing tuition rates here : https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff_reports/sr733.pdf

slightly more readable summary here: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/...te-schools.html

"Correlation or causation? The study looked at schools that derive a great share of revenue from student aid with those that derive a small share from aid. It compared tuition growth at those schools during the past decade with several moves made by Congress to increase caps on individual Pell grants and undergraduate subsidized loans, which are based on financial need and have better terms than unsubsidized loans.

The study found that, on average, for a $1 increase in the subsidized-loan cap, tuitions rose by as much as 65 cents. For Pell grants, it translated to 55 cents on the dollar. The study pinpoints private schoolsboth nonprofit and for-profitas bigger offenders than public ones."

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#2762825 - 03/13/18 04:06 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GromsDad]
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Hey, groms dad go for a surf, its pretty good for jerz. Just got out, improved my mood a bit.

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#2762826 - 03/13/18 04:08 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GWS]
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Originally Posted By: GWS


society has deemed college *mandatory* and now we have a captive market.

I cannot fathom coming out of college with 6 figure debt.
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#2762836 - 03/13/18 04:23 PM Re: College costs. [Re: Zander]
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1) Use of education funds for professional sporting teams and the scholarships for those athletes who could not or would not otherwise be in the school. Get rid of this shit out of schools and focus on education.


College sports MAKE money for universities.

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#2762842 - 03/13/18 04:33 PM Re: College costs. [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad



My kids are quickly approaching college age. College costs have become a complete joke.


You should definitely keep your kids out of college.

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#2762844 - 03/13/18 04:40 PM Re: College costs. [Re: Zander]
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Originally Posted By: Zander
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Billy made a good point in another thread. Worthy of its own thread.

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Leftists own academia

Problem for them is that academia is on the verge of being destroyed for being massively inefficient

It was a great run acting as freak show gatekeepers to bourgeois society

Problem is if you keep raising prices, more and more people start to question the value

Also, its bad business to spit on your customers

Better brush up on your dumpster diving knowledge



My kids are quickly approaching college age. College costs have become a complete joke.


As a holder of 2 higher education degrees one from America and one from Australia (BTW they cost very very similar) I am not put off by the costs associated with these institutions. I am put off by 2 things though:

1) Use of education funds for professional sporting teams and the scholarships for those athletes who could not or would not otherwise be in the school. Get rid of this shit out of schools and focus on education.

2) Government raping us on loans...my loan for my master degree is almost 8%. That's no subsidisation at all. I can buy a car at 0-3% and i can buy a house at 4%? WTF is wrong with this picture...The math to me doesnt add up. More or less need education to get a job these days so the government penalises those that cant afford it for the next 20 years by raping people on loans. If the governement lowered interest rates to be indexed with inflation or effectively zero it would provide major relief and allow more people to get higher education. Higher education equals higher paying jobs which equals higher tax revenue and more spending. The payoff for more subdisised education would for outweight the screwjob we have going on right now.

On a side note stanford is doing the right thing. if familes cant afford to pay then stanford pays as long as the student can get in.

A house and a car loan has collateral, an education does not.

Higher education does not necessarily equal higher paying jobs, in fact, the more people who have college degrees, the less special they are.

On top of all of that, the government shouldn't be in the loan business at all.
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#2762853 - 03/13/18 04:53 PM Re: College costs. [Re: rice]
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Originally Posted By: rice
Originally Posted By: GromsDad



My kids are quickly approaching college age. College costs have become a complete joke.


You should definitely keep your kids out of college.


Maybe he can home school them?

What's better to prepare them for the world than to learn reasoning and debating skills from Grommy?
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#2762854 - 03/13/18 04:53 PM Re: College costs. [Re: mundus]
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Originally Posted By: mundus
Hey, groms dad go for a surf, its pretty good for jerz. Just got out, improved my mood a bit.


Daylight savings time BABY!!!! I'll be in the water within an hour.


In the mean time, if any of you are out of touch with the cost these days this is a good resource. You can look up almost any college and find out what the costs would be. I graduated in 1992 and since then the cost of my school has quadrupled. I don't think wages have quite kept pace with that and that is way higher than the rate of inflation.

http://www.tuitiontracker.org/

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