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Foils in Crowded Lineups #2706102
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I took the dog for a walk yesterday afternoon at probably the only place that was rideable in Town. It's a multi-use spot, more longboarders than shortboarders usually and windsurfers and kiters once the wind picks up. Surf schools on the inside when it's small.

There were between 30 and 40 people including the surf school out in the mostly thigh to waist high surf. There were 3 foilboarders out, 2 SUP foils and 1 prone. They were all proficient and catching waves, covering a lot of ground AND weaving in and out of the crowd at high speed.

To be honest, it looked fun for how shitty the waves were and it makes regular SUPing look like more of a donkey show than it already is. My concern is every SUPer with the means is going to jump on the bandwagon (think K-uno) and with their apparent lack of concern regarding safety, bad shit is sure happen. To further clarify, there are empty reefs immediately to the east and west where they could have gone but they chose to be surf in the middle of the crowd.


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My wife and I go to a neat lil beach on Kauai's north shore. Empty, quiet, dog goes up into the Naupaka bush and crashes. We go snorkeling, watch a few turtles, cruise around inbetween the small little sandy channels watching little fish and poke at things.

And it doesn't take very long for someone to plop their azz down right next to us when they have an entire, White Sandy Beach to choose from. They, decide to sit right next to us. WHY? Just beats the phuck out of me and .... we've even moved to a different location and it doesn't bother them one bit!
I gues it's Location. Location. Location mentality.

I have no problem in being rude now days and I tell them that there's a whole dam beach and that they need to move and get the phuck away, turn your radio down with the tinny sounding speakers and pick up their dirty
diapers floating at the waters edge along with the kids poop.

Human's gravitate ... safety in numbers ....
So I'm presuming the same for your area

K--uno goes to places where other Foils operate, understands the "local" governance of shortboards, longboards and Sup's in the line up. Hell, he's up and on the road in the early AM and in the ocean finding lil reef breaks.
And Having the most FUN ..... on ALL of his watercraft's
And hanging around my cousin ... ain't such a bad thing either on Maui.


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Yeah sorry, I should have been able to resist poke K-uno but old habits die hard.


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That fag's in the water more than any of us, living on Maui, and laughing. Good for that son of a bitch.
Foil surfing in crowds, though, not a good thing.


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We invaded Kanaha this week on the foils. Normally we're 1 reef over at Ka'a, but Kanaha looked alittle better. Not too many foilers been out there, it's normally a SUP/LB spot and since most of the good SUP crew is now exclusively foiling. So the void has been filled by mostly beginners on SUPs that all the surf shops tell them to go.

Not too crowded, about 20 out total. There were just 2 of us on foils. I was prone and Junya with paddle in hand. We were sending it deep, from top of reef all the way through flat section and to the channel. Criss crossing a couple times on a few...having a blast as usual.

It was odd... most just sat back and watched the show. But yea, we're not foiling normal "surf" spots that are crowded. We're off at distant spots that surfers wouldn't think of surfing.

But that's just here on Maui. I'm sure there's spots on the mainland that are great foil waves that some of those getting into the sport will find. There's plenty that come to mind, especially spots north of Point Conception and in SD.

On another note, my loaner from DK had it's Tuttle box fail yesterday. The mast is supposed to be at 90 degrees. shocked



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I had a very bad experience with a foiler a few months ago. I paddled out after work, about 5 oclock after watching it for an hour. It was remnant big south swell and there were 4 foot sets every 15 to 20 minutes with the inside really consistent 2 foot. There were pretty much 5 guys in the inside catching a ton of waves and the foiler and a few long boarders and 4 guys waiting for the bombs. Pretty crowded but as soon as the foiler caught a wave while I was paddling out wide he almost ran into me full speed. I literally slipped off my board and swam to the bottom. When wave passed and I came up the guy was super apologetic. I said dude, you better go in. He didnt say anything but he went in.

Last week there were 3 foilers out at the same spot that knew what they were doing. I rode behind them on every wave and they never even came within 10 feet of me. I was literally packing 3 second barrels and coming out and doing a turn way on the shoulder and they were always way ahead of me. All 3 if those guys are used to taking over said spot on regular sups and they are the worst. Now that they are on foils they are literally out of the way. It might get really bad soon once more people start foiling. Supposedly its like crack. Will report back when I get mine.

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The whole reason to foil is get away from the crowd and still be able to do something that resembles surfing.

Crowds bum me out so hard now.

They always did but now I don't like to surf because of it.


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what I suppose is my 'local' is a tight little harbour break, and one guy has started riding a foil SUP in there with up to 20-30 people in the water. bloody dangerous! SUPs are bad enough because they take off so far out and go straight through the middle of the lineup for longboarders, and then the lineup for the shortboarders. The foil is 10 times worse because he's just straight lining trying to get above the water, it's up to everyone else to either squeeze between him and the wall or paddle way out of position. Needless to say I've not surfed there in quite a while...

That being said there were a couple of prone foilers surfing manu bay when I was in raglan, and they were taking off DEEP, on waves nobody wanted, and flying along getting no closer than 15 feet to people. Responsible. Didn't look as fun as a regular board though, but that's not my problem!

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I really hope it stays in HI


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
I really hope it stays in HI


unfortunately, saw on at a popular beach.

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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
I really hope it stays in HI


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Last week on the South shore of Kauai, there was a SUP foil rider on a consistent reef break. He was damn good and played by the rules. Not hogging the waves, rotating with us and not chancing last second drop in's in front of us. At the end of each wave he would pump the board up and down, nearly back to the lineup. It was very impressive and gave me a new respect for his sport. On the other hand, we have two SUP foilers that have have claimed one of our favorite local spots at home and they have no etiquette what so ever. It's really frustrating, especially since these guys were bad enough as regular SUP'ers. I guess I'll have to pull a Snake Plissken and start wearing a personal arsenal in the water. fight


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Originally Posted By: PPK96754

And it doesn't take very long for someone to plop their azz down right next to us when they have an entire, White Sandy Beach to choose from. They, decide to sit right next to us. WHY? Just beats the phuck out of me and .... we've even moved to a different location and it doesn't bother them one bit!
I gues it's Location. Location. Location mentality.


The same thing happens to me when I park my car, no matter where I park or how deep out I park someone pulls up next to me and does something like eat their lunch or talk on their phone. People are idiots!!!

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Not too crowded, about 20 out total. There were just 2 of us on foils. I was prone and Junya with paddle in hand. We were sending it deep, from top of reef all the way through flat section and to the channel. Criss crossing a couple times on a few...having a blast as usual.



How hard is it to paddle back to the top of the reef if you are prone?

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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
I really hope it stays in HI


dancing that! it's scourge has already made it out to the atlantic.

dealing with 2 on sups and one proner, as well as the kiters and windsurfers who are doing it now on super small days.

used to be able ot surf alone on the days it's boarderline for kitibg/windsurfing... i'd go and get mine while they waited for the wind to kick up. now? F-UCKING HUUUUUGE KITE/SAIL AND THE FOIL... WEEEEEEE!!! NOT!!!

they are dangerous. just like SUPs are. not so much more than a normal board mind you, but when you put a normal board in the hands of the uninnitiated they basically just flounder around and float. SUPs and these things? yeah..... loser drowning fight shameonyou

keep your fun from ruining other peoples fun, and there should never be any problems.

it's when your fun basically runs into and over everyone elses fun that the problems begin.

this said, if you can control your board i have absolutely no problem what you ride.

if you are a danger? keep far, far, far away from me. i hit back. nana


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My friend who I'm going to Kauai with next week is a foiler, but prefers to stay away from crowds. He is obsessed, says it is all he thinks about.

Foils look interesting but they sketch me out. I still think we're 3 evolutions, or 4 years from foils being completely adopted and more user friendly.


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Originally Posted By: Homie
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And it doesn't take very long for someone to plop their azz down right next to us when they have an entire, White Sandy Beach to choose from. They, decide to sit right next to us. WHY? Just beats the phuck out of me and .... we've even moved to a different location and it doesn't bother them one bit!
I gues it's Location. Location. Location mentality.


The same thing happens to me when I park my car, no matter where I park or how deep out I park someone pulls up next to me and does something like eat their lunch or talk on their phone. People are idiots!!!


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Anybody seen the picture of the guy with his face literally half cut off by a foil board?


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Not too crowded, about 20 out total. There were just 2 of us on foils. I was prone and Junya with paddle in hand. We were sending it deep, from top of reef all the way through flat section and to the channel. Criss crossing a couple times on a few...having a blast as usual.



How hard is it to paddle back to the top of the reef if you are prone?


Depends on what board you have attached to your foil. I recently broke the box that holds the foil on a board I was riding that was an 8ft converted SUP. It's about 28" wide and probably 4" thick. I could knee paddle it back out which was nice.

I'm now on a borrowed 7'2 egg that's about 2.5" thick and it's alot of work. Most foil spots are at least .5 mile out, and you're riding waves that far.

So at least here on Maui, foam is your friend. wink


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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Anybody seen the picture of the guy with his face literally half cut off by a foil board?


Yes, all sports are dangerous. Surfboards themselves can do damage too.



wave2


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Cuts to the head bleed a lot and heal fast

I cut my scalp and I had so much blood. The water was filled with blood. I looked way worse than that guy.

Not that it's a competition but it if was I would have won.


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
I really hope it stays in HI


We were hoping that the Missionaries would have stayed in the "New World"

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This perhaps could be called the "observational phase" we are beginning to see
these things coming out into the line-ups.

I have yet to see one in the waves at the breaks I go to on Oahu, but I only go to
a few different spots.

Short story....
I did see a kite-boarder come past me one day at my local spot, semi-older guy who seemed
kinda like he was still figuring it out. The wind was not too strong that afternoon and he had what
looked like a medium size kite, anyway he made one starboard tack seaward bound passing
outside of us surfers in the line-up and then tacked back in towards us just outside the surf line-up.
Note: There is a rough small coral bench island that this surf break is off of, one must give plenty
of leeway to this island as the trade-winds and current will take one into it's nasty backside.
On his way back past us on his second tack he must have lost speed and fell and his kite went down in such a way that he couldn't get it back up in the air, as he had a foil-board it must have made it more difficult for a re-start. Anyway, as you can guess a small set comes in and he has to release his kite as he is being taken into the backside of the island. One of my buddies tries to go for the "equipment rescue" but no way does one want to mess with a run-away kite and those lines.
The island "ate" the kite and lines for an afternoon snack, the special of the day Shredded raw Polyester served with Polyethylene vermicelli. The kiter hung onto his foil-board and swam it
back in thru the line-up. I think I asked him if he was ok, just to make sure, but he wasn't even close to getting hurt himself, it was his equipment loss that was pain full to watch.

A little off-topic, but there was a foil-board involved and it came thru the line-up

....slowly being pushed in...


.....I am goingoutside now.....

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I can't wait to cruise through Mid Point on one.


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get hit by a sup or foil. theres always a lawyer.

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So i was able to try a surfboard conversion last week. This is a 7'2 Southpoint popout. Such a different ride than the 8ft SUP conversion from before. Alot less volume, the foil flew easier. but the paddle back out was a bitchh. Almost made it such a pain I didn't want to surf that board. Luckily I could ride up to the boat dock and get out and walk back up to the reef in the harbor.


Yesterday I was able to borrow a 7'8 x 25" x 3.5" SUP conversion that worked like a dream. Easy paddler, not too much volume, and had a pointy nose so the swing weight up front felt good.

Stocked to be able to try different shapes to better understand what works and what doesn't for what I wanna do. dancing wave2


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Is it hard to pump that 7'8 x 25" x 3.5" SUP ?

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SUPs were foiling around the bay all morning. Those riders go twice as fast as the wave and dont turn on a dime. Amazing to watch, probably amazing to ride.


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Originally Posted By: revo17
Is it hard to pump that 7'8 x 25" x 3.5" SUP ?


"Hard" is relative. I've not ridden a shortboard and foil so I have not much to compare to. Actually this board is the smallest SUP board I've prone foiled.

Got the message yesterday that my custom Kalama shape is done at the glasser. Picking it up today. I'll post some pics and design explanation later. I went with 7'6"x 22"x 3.5". I went with more foam for easier paddling. Your foil sessions include long rides that translate to long paddles. wave2


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SUPs were foiling around the bay all morning. Those riders go twice as fast as the wave and dont turn on a dime. Amazing to watch, probably amazing to ride.


and by "the bay" you're referring to where? Doubt you mean Honolua... thought


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Hanalei or possibly Nawiliwili Bay out front of the hotel where he and his wife were staying ...

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Originally Posted By: Kaser1
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Is it hard to pump that 7'8 x 25" x 3.5" SUP ?


"Hard" is relative. I've not ridden a shortboard and foil so I have not much to compare to. Actually this board is the smallest SUP board I've prone foiled.

Got the message yesterday that my custom Kalama shape is done at the glasser. Picking it up today. I'll post some pics and design explanation later. I went with 7'6"x 22"x 3.5". I went with more foam for easier paddling. Your foil sessions include long rides that translate to long paddles. wave2


The one young dude looked like he's prone paddle surfing/foiling on a wake board now.


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Originally Posted By: Kaser1
Originally Posted By: JEwing
SUPs were foiling around the bay all morning. Those riders go twice as fast as the wave and dont turn on a dime. Amazing to watch, probably amazing to ride.


and by "the bay" you're referring to where? Doubt you mean Honolua... thought


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Thats Nawiliwili Bay. Short interval 2 foot mush.


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Hanalei or possibly Nawiliwili Bay out front of the hotel where he and his wife were staying ...

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The guy I get boards from on Maui, Sky Surfboards,was telling me that the two Maui kids who test his foil designs for Fanatic dont even like going surfing in their foils. They are all about down winding from Maliko gulch. Is that your main reason for the SUP? Or is it just about being able to go way out to the outer reefs with the paddle? I just ordered a 54 by 22 by 3.25 prone foil board but am waiting to buy one of the new Fanatic foils as they will only be 900 bucks. A well know guy here on the south side is out of the water with 3 broken ribs and a punctured lung after taking a go foil to the side while learning. He said wear an impact suit and full face helmet while learning. What do you think about that?



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After seeing this complete set up with a hands on ~
And drooling more than my dog does, and the board is so light too
I can go Quad and surf the board or put the mast and wings on and go foil
Just my personal thoughts and feelings, but I have to understand it's not surfing (so I was told)
But about the mechanics of "flying" and the foils under one's feet.

~ ~ An aircraft in flight is free to rotate in three dimensions: pitch, nose up or down about an axis running from wing to wing; yaw, nose left or right about an axis running up and down; and roll, rotation about an axis running from nose to tail. The axes are alternatively designated as lateral, vertical, and longitudinal. These axes move with the vehicle and rotate relative to the Earth along with the craft. These definitions were analogously applied to spacecraft when the first manned spacecraft were designed in the late 1950s.

These rotations are produced by torques (or moments) about the principal axes. On an aircraft, these are intentionally produced by means of moving control surfaces, which vary the distribution of the net aerodynamic force about the vehicle's center of mass. Elevators (moving flaps on the horizontal tail) produce pitch, a rudder on the vertical tail produces yaw, and ailerons (flaps on the wings that move in opposing directions) produce roll. On a spacecraft, the moments are usually produced by a reaction control system consisting of small rocket thrusters used to apply asymmetrical thrust on the vehicle. ~ Wikipedia aircraft axes

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Scott McKercher used to sell me his old windsurf boards for 200 bucks. Saved my ass before I got sponsored!! Good to see he is still designing 20 years later!!! Is that the board from the Kalapaki shot?

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Originally Posted By: Sniper
The guy I get boards from on Maui, Sky Surfboards,was telling me that the two Maui kids who test his foil designs for Fanatic dont even like going surfing in their foils. They are all about down winding from Maliko gulch. Is that your main reason for the SUP? Or is it just about being able to go way out to the outer reefs with the paddle? I just ordered a 54 by 22 by 3.25 prone foil board but am waiting to buy one of the new Fanatic foils as they will only be 900 bucks. A well know guy here on the south side is out of the water with 3 broken ribs and a punctured lung after taking a go foil to the side while learning. He said wear an impact suit and full face helmet while learning. What do you think about that?




"3 broken ribs and a punctured lung" Good that he lived to tell about it.

Every thing one does has a risk factor, from walking to your mail box to get the daily
mail to wing-suit base jumping. Make up your own scale from 1-100, like maybe 1 being the lowest risk factor such as waking up and getting out of bed, and just go up the scale all the way to 100, you fill in the blanks, it's on a personal scale, you pick the number for the activity you are doing. Don't forget to factor in ALL the things that
can go wrong, and if you are still young factor in the lack of experience, and if you
are older factor in the delayed reaction time. Like the saying goes "There are bold "pilots" and there are old "pilots" but there are no old, bold "pilots".

Any time you add more stuff (like sharp edges) to the risk factor equation, the numbers
must go up the scale not down.

One example of risk factor amplification is the activity of kite-boarding. Do an internet
search for kite-boarding fatalities and serious injuries, it's not pretty. Then go to Youtube and watch a few kite-board crash compilations. Again not pretty.

I know the above example is off the topic of this thread, it is just one example of higher risk level activity compared just surfing, for instance, however, hydro-foiling and the equipment that is used in this activity will "up" the numbers in the scale, remember the
number will go up, not down.

Now factor in " Foils in Crowded Lineups" now, you have to up the risk factor numbers AGAIN, because there are other people now in closer proximity to the Foils and the "sharp edges". Numbers are going to go up, not down. Now add more Foils to the line-ups, and again the risk factor increases twofold etc.

And don't forget to factor in the real possibility that the movement of the Foils thru the water may create hydro-acoustic, low frequency sound waves which may attract certain large "fishes". Not to mention the sometimes up-and-down movements of the Foils and
the visual attraction of what the Foil might look like to these certain large "fish".



....I am goingoutside now....to do some risk factor management....have fun and be safe!

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Originally Posted By: Kaser1
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Is it hard to pump that 7'8 x 25" x 3.5" SUP ?


"Hard" is relative. I've not ridden a shortboard and foil so I have not much to compare to. Actually this board is the smallest SUP board I've prone foiled.

Got the message yesterday that my custom Kalama shape is done at the glasser. Picking it up today. I'll post some pics and design explanation later. I went with 7'6"x 22"x 3.5". I went with more foam for easier paddling. Your foil sessions include long rides that translate to long paddles. wave2


Thanks, let me know how your new custom shape works! What's the volume roughly of that board?

I'm wondering can you pump it to the next wave like Kai Lenny smile Assuming rider is not Kai Lenny, but has decent skills.

Here we have weak wind waves only. So I'm thinking about buying something like Hypernut 7'4x30x4 @106L and prone surf it with foil. Width is not going to be very comfortable, but it should definitely help with initial stability and wave catchability. I tried 6'10@48L FunEgg without much of success in small mush. It worked pretty well in steeper bigger waves with foil, but I prefer to ride regular boards in such conditions.

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Originally Posted By: Sniper
The guy I get boards from on Maui, Sky Surfboards,was telling me that the two Maui kids who test his foil designs for Fanatic dont even like going surfing in their foils. They are all about down winding from Maliko gulch. Is that your main reason for the SUP? Or is it just about being able to go way out to the outer reefs with the paddle? I just ordered a 54 by 22 by 3.25 prone foil board but am waiting to buy one of the new Fanatic foils as they will only be 900 bucks. A well know guy here on the south side is out of the water with 3 broken ribs and a punctured lung after taking a go foil to the side while learning. He said wear an impact suit and full face helmet while learning. What do you think about that?




That might have something to do with the foil design from Fanatic, or maybe it's the kids preference as to why they don't like to surf them. So there's that..

I foil with friends that SUP foil. Which means I have to paddle long distances to the spots we go. Most of which are over .5 mile out just to the top of the reef. I've tried a "normal" surfboard with a foil and it wrecked my neck and shoulders with all the paddling.

GoFoil is now releasing it's 2.0 models so you'll see it's first designs hitting Craigslist. There's one this morning here on Maui I just saw, you can get the Maliko for $1000, which retail new for $1600. So if you're thinking of getting in on it, now is a good time to get used gear.

Yes, there's risk involved to getting hurt...the "well known guy" was he just learning? Everybody has to start from the beginning. Not too much surfing experience comes into play other than catching the wave. The playing field when learning is pretty level. I'd say those that have downwind experience have an advantage once you figure out how to ride one. I'm just recently beginning to connect bumps when the wave flattens out and you look for more energy sources to keep you going.

Yes wearing an impact vest and helmet would be a good idea, but not mandatory. The best thing you could do when learning, understand when its time to eject. Learning to fall safely is where I started. Knowing when its time to bail away from the board will keep you safer. You can't "save" it like to do on a surfboard.

Couple pics from yesterday on the new board...





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Is it hard to pump that 7'8 x 25" x 3.5" SUP ?


"Hard" is relative. I've not ridden a shortboard and foil so I have not much to compare to. Actually this board is the smallest SUP board I've prone foiled.

Got the message yesterday that my custom Kalama shape is done at the glasser. Picking it up today. I'll post some pics and design explanation later. I went with 7'6"x 22"x 3.5". I went with more foam for easier paddling. Your foil sessions include long rides that translate to long paddles. wave2


Thanks, let me know how your new custom shape works! What's the volume roughly of that board?

I'm wondering can you pump it to the next wave like Kai Lenny smile Assuming rider is not Kai Lenny, but has decent skills.

Here we have weak wind waves only. So I'm thinking about buying something like Hypernut 7'4x30x4 @106L and prone surf it with foil. Width is not going to be very comfortable, but it should definitely help with initial stability and wave catchability. I tried 6'10@48L FunEgg without much of success in small mush. It worked pretty well in steeper bigger waves with foil, but I prefer to ride regular boards in such conditions.


Pumping back out to another wave is pretty tough on a bigger board. Those small boards Kai rides are easier to pump. I've seen a couple SUP guys do it, but they're also using the paddle when pumping.

Paddling a 30" wide board isn't going to be comfortable. I'd recommend getting a regular surfboard that works for your paddling and installing the box or track system to hold the foil mast. You can buy the Tuttle box for about $65 and pay anywhere from $100-$200 to have it installed.


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That pumping must create some pretty horrible muscle imbalances.

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That pumping must create some pretty horrible muscle imbalances.


yep, i have to hop on my right leg for an hour to balance everything out. roflmao jam_on rock


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I saw one of these in use for the first time ever at Sunset Cliffs yesterday. Looked 1000x more fun than SUP, even in tiny shit waves.

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I saw one of these in use for the first time ever at Sunset Cliffs yesterday. Looked 1000x more fun than SUP, even in tiny shit waves.


If I lived in SD, I'd foil the shyte outa SSC. I love that area for surf.


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Thanks, I think I should get something like 6'9 x 23 HYPER NUT carbon SUP and try to prone surf foil it.

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Serious question, aren't you guy worried about that damn foil hitting your head or someone else?
I know I've almost cut my head off a few times with my log fin, and I've seen my buddy slice his head in half with a quad setup awhile back. Or do you not ride those in bigger surf? Just flat surf only maybe? just curious.....foil looks deadly.
or maybe I'm just a snowflake....ha!

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So what determines the length of the vertical piece, the distance between the foil and the board? All boards seem to be the same.

Originally Posted By: PPK96754
Hanalei or possibly Nawiliwili Bay out front of the hotel where he and his wife were staying ...

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Seems like there is a way to engineer out the puncture danger from these but I cant see anyway to eliminate the dangers from slicing yo ass up!

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After spending a week in PPK's neighborhood and seeing how many foils are flying around Middles, its obvious to me that foils are here to stay. They're more exciting than SUP by far, and very adaptable to every discipline (kite, windsurf, prone paddle, SUP, etc). Where I was struggling to paddle in on a 9'6" SUP, my buddy on the foil (that's his board that PPK posted) was taking two or three paddles and then pumping the foil onto the wave and taking off.

Sunset Cliffs will be a great place for foiling, especially at high tide when its not quite breaking.

While surfing I saw Laird and someone else in his little aluminum boat, coming back in, with foils in the boat. So I guess you can continue to blame him. wink

Pretty cool to see the enthusiasm of the foiling tribe. Its refreshing to see so much stock.

Here is a pic of TJ foiling last week on a non-breaking swell. If you want a foil, he is a distributor (except for HI). PM me and I'll put you in touch with him. No, I don't get any $$ for that.


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Kayaks, SUPs and now Foils! Anything else?

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After spending a week in PPK's neighborhood and seeing how many foils are flying around Middles, its obvious to me that foils are here to stay. They're more exciting than SUP by far, and very adaptable to every discipline (kite, windsurf, prone paddle, SUP, etc). Where I was struggling to paddle in on a 9'6" SUP, my buddy on the foil (that's his board that PPK posted) was taking two or three paddles and then pumping the foil onto the wave and taking off.

Sunset Cliffs will be a great place for foiling, especially at high tide when its not quite breaking.

While surfing I saw Laird and someone else in his little aluminum boat, coming back in, with foils in the boat. So I guess you can continue to blame him. wink

Pretty cool to see the enthusiasm of the foiling tribe. Its refreshing to see so much stock.

Here is a pic of TJ foiling last week on a non-breaking swell. If you want a foil, he is a distributor (except for HI). PM me and I'll put you in touch with him. No, I don't get any $$ for that.


To me, the cool thing about the foil is you don't need to surf quality waves in a crowded line up.

That is exciting at this point.


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^^precisely. TJ doesn't even want SUP waves. He says if SUPs are janitors, he's a recycler, taking the janitor's trash and making it into something usable.

Surfers really shouldn't have a problem with that mindset.


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Originally Posted By: shiver_me_timbers
After spending a week in PPK's neighborhood and seeing how many foils are flying around Middles, its obvious to me that foils are here to stay. They're more exciting than SUP by far, and very adaptable to every discipline (kite, windsurf, prone paddle, SUP, etc). Where I was struggling to paddle in on a 9'6" SUP, my buddy on the foil (that's his board that PPK posted) was taking two or three paddles and then pumping the foil onto the wave and taking off.

Sunset Cliffs will be a great place for foiling, especially at high tide when its not quite breaking.

While surfing I saw Laird and someone else in his little aluminum boat, coming back in, with foils in the boat. So I guess you can continue to blame him. wink

Pretty cool to see the enthusiasm of the foiling tribe. Its refreshing to see so much stock.

Here is a pic of TJ foiling last week on a non-breaking swell. If you want a foil, he is a distributor (except for HI). PM me and I'll put you in touch with him. No, I don't get any $$ for that.


To me, the cool thing about the foil is you don't need to surf quality waves in a crowded line up.

That is exciting at this point.




Yep, the cool thing about foils is they don't need to surf quality waves in a crowded line up.....

What will be exciting is when they do (might?) enter a crowded line up and the waves are really pumping, double over head plus, in waves that have some degree of consequence.

That would be something to see....

Still waiting for the sends, tomahawks and scorpions.... I guess I will have to wait and see.



.....I am goingoutside now....we all know the feeling of being caught inside.....

...I wonder what it feels like to be caught inside on a big day with a foil?

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Currently foil design isnt for over head or even hollow waves so theyll never be seen in standard surfing waves.
The foils are designed to create a lot of lift on small waves , in bigger waves theyre unstable thats why no ones taking off at Pipe on one.
But it will happen.

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Originally Posted By: SURFFOILS
Currently foil design isnt for over head or even hollow waves so theyll never be seen in standard surfing waves.
The foils are designed to create a lot of lift on small waves , in bigger waves theyre unstable thats why no ones taking off at Pipe on one.
But it will happen.


It may, and probably will, but my thoughts are that "the mast" will have to be shorter and perhaps the foils, even Wider apart for both foils, front and back ~ personal theory, is all ~


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Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: SenorBlues] #2713087
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ay caramba boyz, it's already in the surf. just cause it hasn't happened in hi yet, doesn't mean it's not already going down somewhere else in the surfing world.

it has expanded a bit in the past three four decades ya know?

shrug


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The width isnt necessary, its kinds like riding a bike, once you get going it has its own balance sideways.

https://www.swaylocks.com/forums/how-to-build-your-own-surfcraft-hydrofoil?page=19

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Originally Posted By: SURFFOILS
...so theyll never be seen in standard surfing waves.


Obviously you didn't read the original post. They are already in the lineup in "standard surfing waves" Most surfing occurs in neither overhead nor hollow surf.


"If you stumble, make it part of the dance."
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Biggest I've gone out with DK and friends, was 4-5' (HI) at Pier 1. Conditions were pristine with no wind and it was lined up good. The speed is addicting. Rolling up and down the face on bigger swell without having to pump is soo much fun.

I only have the Kai foil which is the smaller one from GoFoil, so when it's under head hi I gotta do abit of work over the flatter spots.

There also different lengths of the mast, the part that connects the wing to the board. Mine is 24" but think I'd like to try longer.

Been hearing about spots on O'ahu that may draw us over there in the summer when here on Maui get's blocked.


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Hey now, I thought the official Maui line was no day trippers!

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just wait until you see one of those foils after the rider has fallen off, the leash has detached and it has a headhigh wall of foam behind it tomahawking it down the line. duck, duck, goose!


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Check Dave Kalama's IG from today... shocked
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbsNquclAs4/

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Originally Posted By: tenover
Check Dave Kalama's IG from today... shocked
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbsNquclAs4/


Austin is pushing the limits of equipment abuse. Wonder what the tolerance of the carbon mast will be. shrug


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I was wondering when I would see some footholds!

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Originally Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee
I was wondering when I would see some footholds!


footholds = "strap's" per Laird, Dave Kalama & Derick Dorhner wink2



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Ooops..."straps" it is! LOL

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Check Dave Kalama's IG from today... shocked
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbsNquclAs4/

I have never seen such forgiving rails!

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Originally Posted By: sickdog
Check Dave Kalama's IG from today... shocked
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbsNquclAs4/

I have never seen such forgiving rails!


I'm sure that is fun but it looks goofy. Like trick roller skating.


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