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#2710996 - 11/13/17 05:46 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: SenorBlues]
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i think you call them Makos...



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#2711012 - 11/13/17 10:08 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: Sniper]
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Originally Posted By: Sniper
The guy I get boards from on Maui, Sky Surfboards,was telling me that the two Maui kids who test his foil designs for Fanatic dont even like going surfing in their foils. They are all about down winding from Maliko gulch. Is that your main reason for the SUP? Or is it just about being able to go way out to the outer reefs with the paddle? I just ordered a 54 by 22 by 3.25 prone foil board but am waiting to buy one of the new Fanatic foils as they will only be 900 bucks. A well know guy here on the south side is out of the water with 3 broken ribs and a punctured lung after taking a go foil to the side while learning. He said wear an impact suit and full face helmet while learning. What do you think about that?




That might have something to do with the foil design from Fanatic, or maybe it's the kids preference as to why they don't like to surf them. So there's that..

I foil with friends that SUP foil. Which means I have to paddle long distances to the spots we go. Most of which are over .5 mile out just to the top of the reef. I've tried a "normal" surfboard with a foil and it wrecked my neck and shoulders with all the paddling.

GoFoil is now releasing it's 2.0 models so you'll see it's first designs hitting Craigslist. There's one this morning here on Maui I just saw, you can get the Maliko for $1000, which retail new for $1600. So if you're thinking of getting in on it, now is a good time to get used gear.

Yes, there's risk involved to getting hurt...the "well known guy" was he just learning? Everybody has to start from the beginning. Not too much surfing experience comes into play other than catching the wave. The playing field when learning is pretty level. I'd say those that have downwind experience have an advantage once you figure out how to ride one. I'm just recently beginning to connect bumps when the wave flattens out and you look for more energy sources to keep you going.

Yes wearing an impact vest and helmet would be a good idea, but not mandatory. The best thing you could do when learning, understand when its time to eject. Learning to fall safely is where I started. Knowing when its time to bail away from the board will keep you safer. You can't "save" it like to do on a surfboard.

Couple pics from yesterday on the new board...



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#2711015 - 11/13/17 10:25 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: revo17]
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Originally Posted By: revo17
Originally Posted By: Kaser1
Originally Posted By: revo17
Is it hard to pump that 7'8 x 25" x 3.5" SUP ?


"Hard" is relative. I've not ridden a shortboard and foil so I have not much to compare to. Actually this board is the smallest SUP board I've prone foiled.

Got the message yesterday that my custom Kalama shape is done at the glasser. Picking it up today. I'll post some pics and design explanation later. I went with 7'6"x 22"x 3.5". I went with more foam for easier paddling. Your foil sessions include long rides that translate to long paddles. wave2


Thanks, let me know how your new custom shape works! What's the volume roughly of that board?

I'm wondering can you pump it to the next wave like Kai Lenny smile Assuming rider is not Kai Lenny, but has decent skills.

Here we have weak wind waves only. So I'm thinking about buying something like Hypernut 7'4x30x4 @106L and prone surf it with foil. Width is not going to be very comfortable, but it should definitely help with initial stability and wave catchability. I tried 6'10@48L FunEgg without much of success in small mush. It worked pretty well in steeper bigger waves with foil, but I prefer to ride regular boards in such conditions.


Pumping back out to another wave is pretty tough on a bigger board. Those small boards Kai rides are easier to pump. I've seen a couple SUP guys do it, but they're also using the paddle when pumping.

Paddling a 30" wide board isn't going to be comfortable. I'd recommend getting a regular surfboard that works for your paddling and installing the box or track system to hold the foil mast. You can buy the Tuttle box for about $65 and pay anywhere from $100-$200 to have it installed.
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#2711016 - 11/13/17 10:44 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: Kaser1]
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That pumping must create some pretty horrible muscle imbalances.
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#2711495 - 11/14/17 08:45 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
That pumping must create some pretty horrible muscle imbalances.


yep, i have to hop on my right leg for an hour to balance everything out. roflmao jam_on rock
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#2711497 - 11/14/17 09:02 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: SenorBlues]
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I saw one of these in use for the first time ever at Sunset Cliffs yesterday. Looked 1000x more fun than SUP, even in tiny shit waves.
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#2711501 - 11/14/17 09:12 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
I saw one of these in use for the first time ever at Sunset Cliffs yesterday. Looked 1000x more fun than SUP, even in tiny shit waves.


If I lived in SD, I'd foil the shyte outa SSC. I love that area for surf.
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#2712311 - 11/16/17 04:56 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: Kaser1]
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Thanks, I think I should get something like 6'9 x 23 HYPER NUT carbon SUP and try to prone surf foil it.

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#2712331 - 11/16/17 09:15 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: revo17]
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Serious question, aren't you guy worried about that damn foil hitting your head or someone else?
I know I've almost cut my head off a few times with my log fin, and I've seen my buddy slice his head in half with a quad setup awhile back. Or do you not ride those in bigger surf? Just flat surf only maybe? just curious.....foil looks deadly.
or maybe I'm just a snowflake....ha!

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#2712332 - 11/16/17 09:16 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: PPK96754]
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So what determines the length of the vertical piece, the distance between the foil and the board? All boards seem to be the same.

Originally Posted By: PPK96754
Hanalei or possibly Nawiliwili Bay out front of the hotel where he and his wife were staying ...

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#2712479 - 11/16/17 12:59 PM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: SenorBlues]
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Seems like there is a way to engineer out the puncture danger from these but I cant see anyway to eliminate the dangers from slicing yo ass up!

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#2712630 - 11/16/17 07:33 PM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: SenorBlues]
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After spending a week in PPK's neighborhood and seeing how many foils are flying around Middles, its obvious to me that foils are here to stay. They're more exciting than SUP by far, and very adaptable to every discipline (kite, windsurf, prone paddle, SUP, etc). Where I was struggling to paddle in on a 9'6" SUP, my buddy on the foil (that's his board that PPK posted) was taking two or three paddles and then pumping the foil onto the wave and taking off.

Sunset Cliffs will be a great place for foiling, especially at high tide when its not quite breaking.

While surfing I saw Laird and someone else in his little aluminum boat, coming back in, with foils in the boat. So I guess you can continue to blame him. wink

Pretty cool to see the enthusiasm of the foiling tribe. Its refreshing to see so much stock.

Here is a pic of TJ foiling last week on a non-breaking swell. If you want a foil, he is a distributor (except for HI). PM me and I'll put you in touch with him. No, I don't get any $$ for that.
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#2712649 - 11/16/17 08:04 PM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: SenorBlues]
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Kayaks, SUPs and now Foils! Anything else?

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#2712674 - 11/16/17 09:28 PM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: shiver_me_timbers]
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Originally Posted By: shiver_me_timbers
After spending a week in PPK's neighborhood and seeing how many foils are flying around Middles, its obvious to me that foils are here to stay. They're more exciting than SUP by far, and very adaptable to every discipline (kite, windsurf, prone paddle, SUP, etc). Where I was struggling to paddle in on a 9'6" SUP, my buddy on the foil (that's his board that PPK posted) was taking two or three paddles and then pumping the foil onto the wave and taking off.

Sunset Cliffs will be a great place for foiling, especially at high tide when its not quite breaking.

While surfing I saw Laird and someone else in his little aluminum boat, coming back in, with foils in the boat. So I guess you can continue to blame him. wink

Pretty cool to see the enthusiasm of the foiling tribe. Its refreshing to see so much stock.

Here is a pic of TJ foiling last week on a non-breaking swell. If you want a foil, he is a distributor (except for HI). PM me and I'll put you in touch with him. No, I don't get any $$ for that.


To me, the cool thing about the foil is you don't need to surf quality waves in a crowded line up.

That is exciting at this point.
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#2712739 - 11/17/17 12:17 AM Re: Foils in Crowded Lineups [Re: SenorBlues]
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^^precisely. TJ doesn't even want SUP waves. He says if SUPs are janitors, he's a recycler, taking the janitor's trash and making it into something usable.

Surfers really shouldn't have a problem with that mindset.
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