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Re: Distant Shores [Re: Driftcoast] #2669957
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Here's a few more of my photos...
Bigger size of the oil rigs with missing legs...

Another day looking ESE from Campus Point parking lot....rigs with legs missing and 2600' hidden height problem @ Saddle Peak in the background (can't have it curved at the rigs but not at distant peaks)...


And...not my photo...but it's a view from Kauai to the Big Island 300 plus miles. Big Island is on the right. Oahu Left....Maui center behind Oahu. Highest point should be like 50,000 feet below the horizon...


And, here's what is claimed to be the world record long distance landscape photo...from a website of photo enthusiasts...not interested in the shape of the earth. Why give a record for taking pictures of refractions or mirages, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QG7hBdVhFY

Link to hidden height calculator...
https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=10&unit=imperial

I'm looking forward to this fall when we have the best clear air viewing around here...join me for a before surf look-see at Campus one day...let your eyes see what they'll see. Always the same view with the horizon in the wrong place...

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Originally Posted By: Bohter
I'm looking forward to this fall when we have the best clear air viewing around here...join me for a before surf look-see at Campus one day...let your eyes see what they'll see. Always the same view with the horizon in the wrong place...


You know why you can see best in fall?

Still air refracts best, and a sharper inversion layer of warm air over cooler air (as cooled by the ocean) helps.

How about some humor?

Time for this vid



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Originally Posted By: Driftcoast
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I'm looking forward to this fall when we have the best clear air viewing around here...join me for a before surf look-see at Campus one day...let your eyes see what they'll see. Always the same view with the horizon in the wrong place...


You know why you can see best in fall?

Still air refracts best, and inversion layer of warm air over cooler air (as cooled by the ocean) helps.




The best long distance viewing correlates with clear air. Period.

We certainly see refractions and mirages at play much of the time as well....especially at the horizon and over water...but the light from objects beyond the horizon/vanishing point and generally lower in elevation is usually bent downward creating views like the missing oil rig legs...or sky on the horizon where we know land is (reference my photo study...sky where Ventura/Oxnard should be). As or mirages...like Superior or Fata Morgana...I don't recall seeing these w/o also seeing the object that being miraged....i.e. we typical see the object and an inverted distorted mirage above it....sometime we'll see a double non inverted but heavily distorted mirage above the first. These are obvious...and obviously not responsible for the position of the ridge lines and peaks in the above photos.

I've taken photos across many days...and have never seen the horizon as depicted by the Peakfinder.org view (surface of a sphere whit 3959 mile radius).


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Still air without clouds/rain/dust/particulate/haze = clear air.

Clear air with lots of wind moving through it does not provide as good a view and clear still air. Sure you agree with that.

Why do you think you can see curve in one of your photos and not another? A lumpy layer of water in front of oil platforms?

Since you like Channel Island stuff, here is floating Santa Cruz Island:



(Image link page as it it a png file not a jpg file )

Enjoy more mysteries of your neck of the waters at this link showing more Channel Island inversion layers.

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Originally Posted By: Driftcoast
Originally Posted By: Bohter
I'm looking forward to this fall when we have the best clear air viewing around here...join me for a before surf look-see at Campus one day...let your eyes see what they'll see. Always the same view with the horizon in the wrong place...


You know why you can see best in fall?

Still air refracts best, and a sharper inversion layer of warm air over cooler air (as cooled by the ocean) helps.

How about some humor?

Time for this vid




Perfect for this thread roflmao

Bohther I know you're an intelligent guy but man oh mang you'd be infinitely better off arguing the 7th tower demolition theory or even the twin towers demolition theory.

Lot of meat in those but like above if the earth was flat all the kitties would have pushed everything off it beer drunk tongue2


The constant misdirection or "red herring" type of responses in this place by those who do not want to open their minds to the real subject is absolutely f*cking zany.
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Originally Posted By: Driftcoast
Still air without clouds/rain/dust/particulate/haze = clear air.

Clear air with lots of wind moving through it does not provide as good a view and clear still air. Sure you agree with that.

Why do you think you can see curve in one of your photos and not another? A lumpy layer of water in front of oil platforms?

Since you like Channel Island stuff, here is floating Santa Cruz Island:



(Image link page as it it a png file not a jpg file )

Enjoy more mysteries of your neck of the waters at this link showing more Channel Island inversion layers.


Thanks for the links (and the humor)...wish there was more info about where the photos were taken.

As far a seeing curve in one of my photos...assume the two solo rigs one...well if that curvature...then why is the same phenomena present in the other photos yet Saddle Peak is 2600 feet too high and the horizon is horribly misplaced. Major contradiction.

And MJO....I get it...this is bat shit crazy stuff to talk about...let alone actively research. But it is what it is. No surface curvature detected.

Re the 911 building analysis that proves demo ("Theory" roflmao) ...might simplify that to a one page presentation and post later. And, just checked the KS thread....it hit 100,000 views recently (last post 9-11-16 on page 90 something) so am assuming that topic still interests a few folks.


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"then why is the same phenomena present in the other photos yet Saddle Peak is 2600 feet too high and the horizon is horribly misplaced. "

Refraction, rounding errors of measurement, inversions, mirage, etc.

How do you account for the difference?


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I love bohters usage of super low resolution photos he took with a crappy camera to try and debunk the fact the world is a sphere. Guy is my all time favorite dummy I think.

So do you believe there's an ice wall?

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Originally Posted By: Driftcoast
"then why is the same phenomena present in the other photos yet Saddle Peak is 2600 feet too high and the horizon is horribly misplaced. "

Refraction, rounding errors of measurement, inversions, mirage, etc.

How do you account for the difference?



Guy twiddled his thumbs as that ship sank.


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Taj Burrow twiddled his thumbs as that ship sank.
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The constant misdirection or "red herring" type of responses in this place by those who do not want to open their minds to the real subject is absolutely f*cking zany.
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Originally Posted By: Driftcoast
"then why is the same phenomena present in the other photos yet Saddle Peak is 2600 feet too high and the horizon is horribly misplaced. "

Refraction, rounding errors of measurement, inversions, mirage, etc.

How do you account for the difference?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/WDdwP0Ucomk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


I explained most of it previously....the view of the horizon across water gets really goofy:

"We certainly see refractions and mirages at play much of the time as well....especially at the horizon and over water...but the light from objects beyond the horizon/vanishing point and generally lower in elevation is usually bent downward creating views like the missing oil rig legs...or sky on the horizon where we know land is (reference my photo study...sky where Ventura/Oxnard should be). As for mirages...like Superior or Fata Morgana...I don't recall seeing these w/o also seeing the object that is being miraged....i.e. we typical see the object and an inverted distorted mirage above it....sometime we'll see a double non inverted but heavily distorted mirage above the first. These are obvious...and obviously not responsible for the position of the ridge lines and peaks in the above photos."

With the way our eyes work everything below the horizon line slopes up and everything above slopes downward....to the horizon / vanishing point. The farther things are in the distance the smaller they get. Saddle Peak is well above the horizon line....so it's still visible....most all of it (though partially hidden by a ridge this side of it). Problem with that is only the top 200 ft should be visible i.e. the horizon line should be 2600 ft higher (relative to SP's location) just like the Peakfinder.org view. It never looks like that ever...and it really should...if we lived on a sphere with a 3959 mile radius.

Re the above video of the ship sailing into the distance. Same thing as explained above. The farther away the ship (maybe 100' tall) gets the smaller it appears....due to perspective (duh). As it reaches the vanishing point the bottom starts to disapear first due to refractions / lensing across water. Zooming in will keep the object in view longer but it will eventually disappear as well. This is why I always try to get a bit of elevation to get away from these effects. I've seen the horizon line move / refract / mirror a few hundred feet with the longer views making things like the lower part of the islands, coastlines disappear or in this case the ship...look like it's sailing over then below the horizon....but it's not.

Ships sailing over the horizon proving we live on a sphere is one of classic lies taught to us in school....but once you study it in detail...the argument falls apart rather quickly.

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HolyShit. I thought Flat Earth was just something we used to insult people. I had no idea that people actually sunk to the incredible level of stupid required to buy into it.


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The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
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Brush up on your understanding of perspective at this link with lots of nice pictures.

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The level of willful stupidity to believe such nonsense requires permanent internment. It is impossible for someone with this deficiency to ever contribute anything of value to society and instead will at best be a drain on everyone else.


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