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Re: Futures Fins Alpha [Re: J_D_J] #2642488
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~$65 most anywhere.

Looks like they have a JJF template in the Alpha's too.

https://futuresfins.com/fins/john-john-m-alpha.html



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Re: Futures Fins Alpha [Re: J_D_J] #2642529
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Unless you're surfing tropical reef passes, the Futures Alpha fins are very hard to beat.

Price is great, fins surf amazingly well, and every fin is made in Huntington Beach, not China or Thailand.

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Probably a no brainer for where Im at right now. I think the mid-flex coupled with the medium size will be good for me at 180+lbs and riding in mostly under head high beach break. I cant see a reason to get the bigger F8s..??.. Maybe if I was going with a softer fin..??..

Fins seem like such a simple yet sophisticated question.


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Re: Futures Fins Alpha [Re: J_D_J] #2642649
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get the f8's. f6 would work for you if were riding a normal HPSB with 14.5" wide tail.

wider tail = more fin.

get the f8's.

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Originally Posted By: sd_101
get the f8's. f6 would work for you if were riding a normal HPSB with 14.5" wide tail.

wider tail = more fin.

get the f8's.


Thanks for the advice. These are going on a new / smaller board though. Not sure on the exact tail width but it's close to 14.5".


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Re: Futures Fins Alpha [Re: J_D_J] #2644248
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are the john johns basically the f6? or will they have more release? looks like thinner tip

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Originally Posted By: kdropin
are the john johns basically the f6? or will they have more release? looks like thinner tip


The Futures guy at the Boardroom told me that the Jon Jon Alpha fins would "compliment" the F6, but I didn't understand why, since they seem so similar. I didn't follow up with him.

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Originally Posted By: J_D_J
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are the john johns basically the f6? or will they have more release? looks like thinner tip


The Futures guy at the Boardroom told me that the Jon Jon Alpha fins would "compliment" the F6, but I didn't understand why, since they seem so similar. I didn't follow up with him.


The F6 Alpha is very close in spec to the JJF tempalte (TechFlex or Alpha) with the JJF template having slightly less area, but a slightly wider base. Same ride number (stiffness) too, so the different is very meager I'd say, but it does cost $10 more for the JJF logo. heh heh.

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JJF Alpha

SIDE FINS
AREA14.98
HEIGHT4.56
BASE4.45
FOILFLAT

CENTER FIN
AREA14.98
HEIGHT4.56
BASE4.45
FOILSYMM

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F6 Alpha

SIDE FINS
AREA15.12
HEIGHT4.56
BASE4.35
FOILFLAT

CENTER FIN
AREA15.12
HEIGHT4.56
BASE4.35
FOILSYMM


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Re: Futures Fins Alpha [Re: J_D_J] #2644389
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So are you guys liking the feel of these Alpha's? The look like they would be stiff. Not that that's a bad thing.....it's just that for me, stiffer fins suit certain conditions better than others.


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I have both sets in hand and have sized them.

When you align both fin bases together the John John Alpha fin utilizes the entire fin base where the front of the F6 Alpha is set back about 1/8th of an inch off the front.

If I take the base out of the equation and line up the just the fins the F6 Alpha has more meat on the leading edge. This gives the John John Alpha a slight more area advantage around the rear of the tip and around the lower rear edge.

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Originally Posted By: jkb
So are you guys liking the feel of these Alpha's? The look like they would be stiff. Not that that's a bad thing.....it's just that for me, stiffer fins suit certain conditions better than others.

They are made out of plastic, dont expect so much...
funny how a marketing is selling fancy , nicely made plastic fins three-four times more expensive than average basic low-life fins.

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Originally Posted By: nagual
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So are you guys liking the feel of these Alpha's? The look like they would be stiff. Not that that's a bad thing.....it's just that for me, stiffer fins suit certain conditions better than others.

They are made out of plastic, dont expect so much...
funny how a marketing is selling fancy , nicely made plastic fins three-four times more expensive than average basic low-life fins.


Yeah pretty sure it's just plastic with some carbon bits thrown in and a slick marketing package. I used them one day as my friend has them. They feel like fins. Not bad but not particularly good? Pretty damn flexy (but no mega twang/spring like kinetic racing or something)

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So are you guys liking the feel of these Alpha's? The look like they would be stiff. Not that that's a bad thing.....it's just that for me, stiffer fins suit certain conditions better than others.

They are made out of plastic, dont expect so much...
funny how a marketing is selling fancy , nicely made plastic fins three-four times more expensive than average basic low-life fins.


Yeah pretty sure it's just plastic with some carbon bits thrown in and a slick marketing package. I used them one day as my friend has them. They feel like fins. Not bad but not particularly good? Pretty damn flexy (but no mega twang/spring like kinetic racing or something)


Are you guys nuts!?

If you mean expensive for plastic fins then you must mean more expensive than softboard bolt on fins which are like $20... and the Alphas and not '3-4 times' more expensive than that.

I have some F6's in my hands right now and "pretty damn flexy" is about the opposite of how I would describe them.

I can see how other fin tech would be considered more 'springy'... but for the price these seem great.


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Alpha fins are a great addition to the market. Chinese made honeycomb fins are irrelevant, assuming there is a template in Alpha that you like. Unless you have hand foiled fins in fiberglass or g10, alphas are the way to go. They are not comprable to plastic fins, IMO.

Plus, the ability for Futures to quality control Alphas vs offshore imported fins is significant.

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plastic takes on many meanings these days. There is the typical stuff of previous times (say, ABS), and now what I've come to know as engineered plastics, which have additives, similar to metal alloys, to add/remove certain characteristics from say, plain ABS.

Channel Islands FRP fins are an example of this. Futures Alpha is yet another.

Cool thing about the engineered plastic is they can use standard injection molding machinery, which does not see much operator markup whether made domestic or abroad, unlike hexcore which requires the machine operator to intervene on each fin (at least per Futures video I've seen). The tooling, there are still benefits to outsourcing, and is a similar technique to the hexcore variant.

These Alpha fins probably cost around $5/fin at low volume (500 pcs per run), say $2.50 at bluk (2k pcs per run) and doesn't have the same amount of mfg'ing rejects as say hexcore (less human intervention, less error). Steel tooling, around $30k per fin template ($90k/thruster set), meaning ROI starts fairly quickly, especially when FCS2 shifted the market's price point for hex fins to above $100.

Worse things have happened to the customer. At least CI came in and set the price at $45 when they could have charged $75.

edit: found the thread with discussion with Tom@daumTooling.
http://forum.surfer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2535671&page=1

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