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Re: Watch out! Cyclist coming through [Re: jkb] #2898100
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Cars have enough privileges over pedestrian traffic already.



No they don't. They have to yield to both bikes and pedestrians.

Sounds like cyclists and pedestrians have the privilege.


I meant privileges in terms of how much space they're given in comparison to space given to foot traffic or bikes.

And they people wonder why more people don't walk or ride. It's unpleasant and dangerous.


and it always will be so long as cars, bicycles, and pedestrians share the same road without barriers.


Right, so what San Clemente is doing is not stupid.

Carlsbad is stupid:



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^ Fecal Face what is wrong? There is a beautiful bike lane with a barrier you could bail over if some Baby Boomer in a Cadillincoln gets into the Zinfandel, gets behind the wheel, and gets a phone call.

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Cars have enough privileges over pedestrian traffic already.



No they don't. They have to yield to both bikes and pedestrians.

Sounds like cyclists and pedestrians have the privilege.


I meant privileges in terms of how much space they're given in comparison to space given to foot traffic or bikes.

And they people wonder why more people don't walk or ride. It's unpleasant and dangerous.


and it always will be so long as cars, bicycles, and pedestrians share the same road without barriers.


Right, so what San Clemente is doing is not stupid.

Carlsbad is stupid:



No, what's stupid about San Clemente's situation is that 2 of the bike lanes are set-up just like your Carlsbad picture. Then, San Clemente has 2 more bike lanes behind a barrier adjacent to that. Guess which bike lanes the cyclists usually choose socrazy

By the way, there's nothing wrong with the Carlsbad example above so long as cyclist stay in their lane and don't ride two or three wide, spilling over into car lanes so that they can talk to each other the whole ride.


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Whats the proportion of bikes vs cars passing through this area? And I dont just mean during Saturday and Sunday morning rides. roflmao poke nana

Realistically, they should do flex lanes. Some hours need more bike lane room. Most other times its a waste of space.

Im for the solution that moves the bikes off 101 entirely. Give them as many lanes as they want. Im really curious to see how the Cardiff solution turns out and how Leucadia does theirs.

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No, what's stupid about San Clemente's situation is that 2 of the bike lanes are set-up just like your Carlsbad picture. Then, San Clemente has 2 more bike lanes behind a barrier adjacent to that. Guess which bike lanes the cyclists usually choose socrazy

By the way, there's nothing wrong with the Carlsbad example above so long as cyclist stay in their lane and don't ride two or three wide, spilling over into car lanes so that they can talk to each other the whole ride.


Uh no, like I said, beach cruisers, lancers, joggers, skateboarders, electric bikes, scooters... ALL use that one 3ft wide bike lane in Carlsbad, in BOTH directions (same side of the road).

All these users are moving at very different speeds and trajectories. Joggers end up in bike lanes because the sidewalk is not wide enough to share with pedestrians.

Meanwhile cars have 4 fvcking lanes, what for? 90% of the traffic on PCH is non-essential and not local resident traffic. It's people sightseeing and cruising.

San Clemente go it exactly right. If you're lancer, you're moving at 25mph on the flats easily, mixing that with families on beach cruisers, kids or roller skates, scooters and skateboards is not good. That's why there's a bike lane on the road as well as behind the barrier.

Somebody in San Clemente did the research and Oceanside is moving in the same direction.





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roflmao rolleyes

You dont stop, do you. Where the hell are you pulling this 90% number from?

Between the 5, El Camino and PCH, especially that section in Carlsbad, plenty of people are locals leaving the village, or tourists in VRBOs doing the same. Sometimes the roads are congested and anything moving north-south will be utilized.

Pull more sh!t out of your ass. Im looking forward to another pivot.

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Whats the proportion of bikes vs cars passing through this area? And I dont just mean during Saturday and Sunday morning rides. roflmao poke nana


Uh do your research.

90% of PCH traffic is non essential and unrelated to local residents. Losing one lane would make no difference as was proven on many sections of the PCH with a car lane that was reclaimed by pedestrians and bikes.

Perfect example, Mission Ave in Oceanside.... used to be 4 car lanes with narrow sidewalk on both sides. Businesses dying, nobody bothered to walk or ride bikes along it except for the crackheads...

They took two lanes out, turned one lane into bike share lane, expanded sidewalk, installed seating and boom, people returned and all sorts of new business' showed up.

No changes to traffic flow.

Voila



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Originally Posted By: FecalFace


Right, so what San Clemente is doing is not stupid.

Carlsbad is stupid:



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Post your study showing such. Otherwise youre posting observations which are subject to bias.

And be specific to that chunk of Carlsbad just south of the village where you made your claim. I dont have to prove anything. Im challenging your claim which is not backed by anything.

As for Oceanside, see crime over time. https://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/california/oceanside.html

Tell me exactly how narrowing the coast highway and adding some benches is the main driving factor and not just gentrification of San Diego as a whole?

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Another perfect example..... used to be 4 lanes with a narrow bike lane. A local kid gets killed on a bicycle.

The city took a car lane out, created a buffer and widened the bike lane.

No changes to the car traffic flow - ZERO

It's a shame that a bicyclist always has to die before something is done.



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Originally Posted By: sd_101

Tell me exactly how narrowing the coast highway and adding some benches is the main driving factor and not just gentrification of San Diego as a whole?


Right, and nothing to do with the fact that the sidewalk is much more pedestrian friendly, with landscaping, benches and bike stands, pleasant and attractive to businesses who can now have outdoor seating.

It's very basic smart urban planning that worked in every city who gives a shit about making public spaces attractive and worth caring about instead of turning every city street into a highway with a 3 foot wide sidewalks that nobody wants to use.



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Originally Posted By: FecalFace
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Tell me exactly how narrowing the coast highway and adding some benches is the main driving factor and not just gentrification of San Diego as a whole?


Right, and nothing to do with the fact that the sidewalk is much more pedestrian friendly, with landscaping, benches and bike stands, pleasant and attractive to businesses who can now have outdoor seating.

It's very basic smart urban planning that worked in every city who gives a shit about making public spaces attractive and worth caring about instead of turning every city street into a highway with a 3 foot wide sidewalks that nobody wants to use.



The whole deal IMO revolves around developing segregated lines/areas. There is a place for bicycles. That place is not in motorized traffic. contesting with cars.

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Not saying widening sidewalks doesnt have an effect, but it doesnt just stop there. Pushing the bums off the street, making it feel safe for tourist families to walk around, changing zoning for businessss to have patio seating which still serves alcohol does.

I hear your cause wanting more bike lanes, public transit and encouraging people to not use their cars, but present it correctly, man. You wreak of a one sided blinders attitude.

Traffic, just like bums, will move slightly down the road if not properly addressed. You cant just shrink lanes and call it a day.

A biker being hit doesnt necessarily mean things will change immediately. Look at the current debate in Leucadia. Eagerly watching the Cardiff segregated path solution. I always preferred to bike on Vulcan as opposed to 101. Giving an entire lane to the bikers in downtown Encinitas has been an interesting social experient. Better would have been expanding Vulcan to get the bikes off the main road and going right through downtown.


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The whole deal IMO revolves around developing segregated lines/areas. There is a place for bicycles. That place is not in motorized traffic. contesting with cars.


Absolutely. Take one look at the European countries like Denmark or Holland and take note. Isolated road ways. Traffic lights specific to bikes and bikers who actually signal their changes of direction. Bikers going 4 wide and in 30 person Saturday morning rides are hardly the same by comparison. Zero etiquette and a healthy does of entitlement. And I say this as someone who owns a road bike and has a dedicated portion of my closet for spandex.

And what fecal conveniently omits in his Carlsbad example is the segregated area for jogger and pedestrians down by the beach.

Berkeley put in an interesting solution showing the bikes a way through town without creating congestion on the main roadways. https://www.cityofberkeley.info/bicycleboulevards/

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