REMINDER: Siteowner has no obligation to monitor the Forums. However, Siteowner reserves the right to review the Materials submitted to or posted on the Forums, and remove, delete, redact or otherwise modify such Materials, in its sole discretion and for any reason whatsoever, at any time and from time to time, without notice or further obligation to you. Siteowner has no obligation to display or post any Materials provided by you. Siteowner reserves the right to disclose, at any time and from time to time, any information or Materials that Siteowner deems necessary or appropriate to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, contract obligation, legal or dispute process or government request. To further read the rules and terms of agreement of this Forum, click here.

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. #2356689
05/24/15 11:50 PM
05/24/15 11:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
R
Retropete Offline OP
Miki Dora status
Retropete  Offline OP
Miki Dora status
***
R

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
As the title says...which one should handle knee-head high better.
Say higher tide, fuller waves.
I'd say the Fowler will have the glide in through dint of its length but once up and riding maybe the mblv will turn better and still have reasonable glide.
V bottom vs the bonzer bottom for small wave stuff.
Is the bonxer bottom its achilles heel for the small stuff with not enough hull speed to truly bring the the venturi effect of the bonzer bottom into play or even make it slower than other bottom shapes?
looking at these two boards which I could happily buy...one or the other...not both.
http://www.zaksurfboards.com.au/bruce-fowler-stoker-v-machine-66-x-21-1-4-x-2-7-8-841/
http://www.zaksurfboards.com.au/campbell-brothers-bonzer-egg-510-x-21-3-4-x-2-5-8-842/
It says its an egg but as Bman76 pointed out its a mblv.
I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the Fowler since I have read the Stoker v machine odyssey over on Sways in the past and was intruiged (as Gr8day will recall) but have never seen one second hand.
It will fit into my quiver better as a high tide, small wave board better than the bonzer but still like to hear what others have to say.


Caution: excessive Kool Aid consumption may lead to a bitter aftertaste!
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: Retropete] #2356696
05/25/15 12:32 AM
05/25/15 12:32 AM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 598
B
Bman76 Offline
Nep status
Bman76  Offline
Nep status
***
B

Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 598
Both great boards - choices Pete, so many choices!

Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: ] #2356708
05/25/15 01:29 AM
05/25/15 01:29 AM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 598
B
Bman76 Offline
Nep status
Bman76  Offline
Nep status
***
B

Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 598
Originally Posted By: Havoc_Bro
i'm also interested in this as well. or, what's the best mid length for small mush? or am i better served with a mini simmons/manta etc. sometimes it's hard to compete with the 10 foot logs when i'm on a 5'4.

also, mblv needs a wave to work or at least a wall from what i've seen in person.


My experience with the mlv is that it does need some push. Even if it is waist high, it will work, as long as there is some curve to the wave. I have a 5'0 style quad mini simmons that will work in knee high junk. The vbowls does ok there, too.

Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: Retropete] #2356710
05/25/15 01:40 AM
05/25/15 01:40 AM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 57,306
HB, CA
I
ifallalot Online sick
Duke status
ifallalot  Online Sick
Duke status
**
I

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 57,306
HB, CA
I've always been interested in the Stoker V FWIW


My entire existence is a failed gotcha
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: Bman76] #2356711
05/25/15 01:44 AM
05/25/15 01:44 AM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 941
M
Money4CoffeeMan Offline
Nep status
Money4CoffeeMan  Offline
Nep status
***
M

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 941
Originally Posted By: Bman76
Originally Posted By: Havoc_Bro
i'm also interested in this as well. or, what's the best mid length for small mush? or am i better served with a mini simmons/manta etc. sometimes it's hard to compete with the 10 foot logs when i'm on a 5'4.

also, mblv needs a wave to work or at least a wall from what i've seen in person.


Even if it is waist high, it will work, as long as there is some curve to the wave.


This... I have a 5'8 MB5 and like all of my smaller wave bonzers, they feel fine to me in flatter faced, fuller tide like waves like RP's describing, but don't feel magic, and I don't tap into that 5th gear, until there is some curve in the wave face..be it knee high or whatever. that's when they shine.

Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: Retropete] #2356751
05/25/15 04:10 AM
05/25/15 04:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
R
Retropete Offline OP
Miki Dora status
Retropete  Offline OP
Miki Dora status
***
R

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
Fowler it is. Pack that puppy up and send it to me.


Caution: excessive Kool Aid consumption may lead to a bitter aftertaste!
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: ] #2356764
05/25/15 04:39 AM
05/25/15 04:39 AM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,519
Rbeach
R
rowjimmytour Offline
Miki Dora status
rowjimmytour  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
R

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,519
Rbeach


There's a time to shit and a time for God
The last shit I took was pretty fooking' odd!
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: ] #2356773
05/25/15 05:02 AM
05/25/15 05:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
R
Retropete Offline OP
Miki Dora status
Retropete  Offline OP
Miki Dora status
***
R

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
Originally Posted By: Havoc_Bro
how does one size a v machine or fowler fountain of youth? if i'm old x 165 lbs x kooky-intermediate level?

maybe a 6'6 or 6'8?

Geez, I hope not...that v machine I'm buying is 6'6" x 2171/4" x 2&7/8" which should be plenty of foam for my 52 yr old, 200lbs.


Caution: excessive Kool Aid consumption may lead to a bitter aftertaste!
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: Retropete] #2356786
05/25/15 05:30 AM
05/25/15 05:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
R
Retropete Offline OP
Miki Dora status
Retropete  Offline OP
Miki Dora status
***
R

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
You'd have to quizz Bruce about that...https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fountain-of-Youth-Surfboards/317597478257790#
Scroll down a bit for his ph no


Caution: excessive Kool Aid consumption may lead to a bitter aftertaste!
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: ] #2356790
05/25/15 06:01 AM
05/25/15 06:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 57,306
HB, CA
I
ifallalot Online sick
Duke status
ifallalot  Online Sick
Duke status
**
I

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 57,306
HB, CA
Originally Posted By: Havoc_Bro
how does one size a v machine or fowler fountain of youth? if i'm old x 165 lbs x kooky-intermediate level?

maybe a 6'6 or 6'8?

5-6 or 5-8


My entire existence is a failed gotcha
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: ] #2356806
05/25/15 07:10 AM
05/25/15 07:10 AM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 19,176
Palm Coast , Florida
G
Greg Griffin Offline
Duke status
Greg Griffin  Offline
Duke status
**
G

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 19,176
Palm Coast , Florida
The Brewer Tri plane of the 70' s is the highest form of this design .

Influencing every name shaper .

McCoy used his version of this building his name , not the round bottom after .

JC used it , possibly because Rusty used it .

Bruce Jones , Jim Turner etc.

Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: ] #2356808
05/25/15 07:12 AM
05/25/15 07:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
R
Retropete Offline OP
Miki Dora status
Retropete  Offline OP
Miki Dora status
***
R

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
Originally Posted By: Havoc_Bro
Originally Posted By: Retropete
Originally Posted By: Havoc_Bro
how does one size a v machine or fowler fountain of youth? if i'm old x 165 lbs x kooky-intermediate level?

maybe a 6'6 or 6'8?

Geez, I hope not...that v machine I'm buying is 6'6" x 2171/4" x 2&7/8" which should be plenty of foam for my 52 yr old, 200lbs.


yeah, 6'6 too big 4 me.

Lifted off Sways thread...
"As far as size ranges, the original Stoker V Machines (SVM's) run 4'6" to 8'6". I get a lot of inquiries asking about what length is right, which is pretty much a personal choice as all the boards are designed to paddle well and surf more on top of the water than glass slippers and other designs. Here's a Floatation Guide for Float Well:

5'0"x20"x2.46..........,,,,,,125 lbs/57kg

5'6"x20.5"x2.55"............150/68

6'0"x21"x2.65"...............175/80

6'6"x21.5"x2.88"...........225/102

7'0"x22.25"x3"..............250/114

7'6"x23"x3.12..............275/125

8'0"x23.5"x3.25"..........325/148

8'6"x24"x3.5"...............375/148"


Caution: excessive Kool Aid consumption may lead to a bitter aftertaste!
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: Retropete] #2356823
05/25/15 08:40 AM
05/25/15 08:40 AM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 598
B
Bman76 Offline
Nep status
Bman76  Offline
Nep status
***
B

Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 598
MLV too small Pete? Or just keen on the stoker?

Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: Retropete] #2356829
05/25/15 08:50 AM
05/25/15 08:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
R
Retropete Offline OP
Miki Dora status
Retropete  Offline OP
Miki Dora status
***
R

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,683
Sunny Coast Qld Australia
I could ride it no doubt but I already have the Mcneill rasta tt in a 6'er and a nano for lower tide waves and reckon there'd be some overlap since by all the reports the mblv would still need some push to get it going at its best and it was $200 more and an Aussie made one rather than an MC handshape (use the term loosely).
The Fowler sounds like it will go a bit easier in the gutless, high tide arena and a bit more length to carry over dead spots won't go astray. That's the part of the quiver that I was looking for some variety in.
Plus I don't mind the outline...reminds me of my old Miller v-skate, Southcoast diamond tail slider and Michael Cundith 7t which also had a diamond tail.
Trigger has been pulled and JaM71 I will hopefully get a surf in on Sunday to see how it rolls in small Qld waves.
On a sidenote I just finished reading through the last pages of the 66 page Sways thread and learnt that to have Bruce shape you a board like the one I have scored you need to go to the Fountain of Youth facebook page as he's no longer associated with the "Stoker" label.

Last edited by Retropete; 05/25/15 09:16 AM.
Re: Fowler v machine vs CB mblv as a small wave board. [Re: Retropete] #2356854
05/25/15 02:00 PM
05/25/15 02:00 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,336
Nar
C
Clamsmasha Offline
Gerry Lopez status
Clamsmasha  Offline
Gerry Lopez status
**
C

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,336
Nar
Nice one Pete! I reckon you did good choosing the Fowler.
Intrigued to hear how it goes for you. I've been pretty interested in the sub 6' models myself though I've put a freeze on boardwhoring for a time.
Let us all know when you get a few waves together.......

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4