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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: bergie] #2197540
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Ok, Dorko does manual therapy.

http://www.barrettdorko.com/shallow.htm

Simple Contact is an increasingly popular manual care technique that emphasizes the reflexive reaction of the body to gentle touch at specific sites. It begins with the premise that the body's own corrective processes are generally sufficient to produce enough mechanical force to reduce pain and normalize function. Since this process is unconsciously motivated, technique must support and encourage the patient's ongoing activity.


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Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


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Originally Posted By: VonMeister
Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


And yet you have all these people with nerve damage/nerve impingement with no pain.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm...

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Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


And yet you have all these people with nerve damage/nerve impingement with no pain.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm...


Yet . . . .

Give it time.


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Originally Posted By: VonMeister
Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


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I know a paraplegic who read the book. Two weeks later he was the Salsa Dance Champion of Rio de Janeiro. He'd never even danced before his injury.

True story.


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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
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Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


And yet you have all these people with nerve damage/nerve impingement with no pain.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm...


Yet . . . .

Give it time.


maybe they only think they have no pain, when really, they have a ton of pain, but they just don't feel it
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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: bergie] #2197567
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Actually, you could be onto something there.


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Originally Posted By: VonMeister
Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


I agree with this with the exception of ...there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. My brain tells me to send out to the farmacia for some fentanyl.


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Originally Posted By: VonMeister
Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


And yet you have all these people with nerve damage/nerve impingement with no pain.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm...


Yet . . . .

Give it time.



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I believe I got the book in '99.

I'll take that run thank you very much.

When you have lost control of your leg or your bladder, yeah, you need to do something serious.

The book is cheap. It's non-invasive. A pain sufferer has little to lose by trying it.

But, if you would rather wallow in your pain and embrace your limitations, have at it.

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I read the book and it didn't do anything for me. But I never said don't read the book. Reading is good for you.

I read everything.

I controlled my pain with this book from my early 20s to my late forties before all hell broke lose.

http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759


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Originally Posted By: VonMeister
Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


for what you wrote to be pertinent - you'd have to believe the human spine is a complete fvckup of a design. this what western medicine has taught us, but interestingly i just don't see people in e. asia (for example) with back problems - even after they've sat on concrete making roundeye trinkets all day.

how do you explain the rising # of us on this thread and 5* e-reviewers who "miraculously" went from grimacing ogres to pain-free "READ THE DAMN BOOK" zealots? were we faking it?

due to fusings, degenerations, herniations, slippages, etc... my lower spine functions pretty much as 2 distinct sections with a flexible rubbery joint between them - which gives it some bizarre characteristics. i can now fold in half (can kiss my kneecaps and flathand the floor) and my lower half can pivot in relation to my upper like never before. it looks kind of gnarly to see the point of the 2 sections bulging out when folded, but it never hurts anymore.


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I Think we agree more than we disagree.....I believe that you can feel pain, (just like we feel hunger when we aren't hungry) from a number of causes that are treatable by the methods of this book. I haven't read it but I take GWS's word for it. I just think if you have a structural problem, with verifiable nerve impingement, you are going to, without a doubt, feel pain. This is how the body works. Once this structural issue is resolved, via reduced swelling, surgical intervention, or regular healing, the methods in this book would certainly apply as it is completely normal to feel phantom residual pain. In some cases, leg weakness, atrophy, bladder control, foot drop, etc, is many times caused by a permanent nerve injury. I feel the body can adapt to this injury and overcome it quite easily with the correct CNS and muscle stimulation which is only achieved physically.

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Seems from Sarno's website, he treats pain, not the underlying cause. I understand that, but fail to see how "mind over matter" is going to work when you have three levels of disc herniation which is completely structural. A piece of disc impinging on a nerve will cause pain and there's nothing your brain is going to do about that. The only cure for that is for the material not to be in contact with the nerve.


for what you wrote to be pertinent - you'd have to believe the human spine is a complete fvckup of a design. this what western medicine has taught us, but interestingly i just don't see people in e. asia (for example) with back problems - even after they've sat on concrete making roundeye trinkets all day.

how do you explain the rising # of us on this thread and 5* e-reviewers who "miraculously" went from grimacing ogres to pain-free "READ THE DAMN BOOK" zealots? were we faking it?

due to fusings, degenerations, herniations, slippages, etc... my lower spine functions pretty much as 2 distinct sections with a flexible rubbery joint between them - which gives it some bizarre characteristics. i can now fold in half (can kiss my kneecaps and flathand the floor) and my lower half can pivot in relation to my upper like never before. it looks kind of gnarly to see the point of the 2 sections bulging out when folded, but it never hurts anymore.


I'm not grimacing but I'll read the book. Right after I finish "I'll sleep when I'm dead". Devils advocate and all.


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