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herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water #2196928
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I have a lower back injury for alomost 4 months now and each time I think I get better I don't.Seing physio chiro nothing worked yet.Any ideas exercice how to get better?I'm getting a carver skatebard to stay in shape but any other way? Getting an mri next week to really see whats going on
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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: bergie] #2196941
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Forget the MRI... READ THIS BOOK FIRST!


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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: bergie] #2196968
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Where does it hurt? Does it restrict movement?

A skateboard for staying in shape? What if the best prognosis comes from nothing but rest? In that case you will never recover. Hold off on skate boarding until you know more.
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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: bergie] #2197007
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Pain does not restrain only when i bent and lift numbbess in leg and weakness sometimes too in legs. now neck pain. doc and physio tell me to stay active but often make it worst

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Originally Posted By: bergie
Pain does not restrain only when i bent and lift numbbess in leg and weakness sometimes too in legs. now neck pain. doc and physio tell me to stay active but often make it worst


Read the book. Chances are you'll see yourself on almost every page. Don't be so dismissive!


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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: Who's Your Daddy] #2197015
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Originally Posted By: Who's Your Daddy
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Pain does not restrain only when i bent and lift numbbess in leg and weakness sometimes too in legs. now neck pain. doc and physio tell me to stay active but often make it worst


Read the book. Chances are you'll see yourself on almost every page. Don't be so dismissive!


everyone i know who's read that book has been fixed by it, incl me.


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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: bergie] #2197017
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Numbness = nerve trauma.

You don't want to traumatize your nerves.


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I will order the book for sure. Make me worry for the nerves for sure.

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Forget the book. Sarno is a quack.

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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Numbness = nerve trauma.

You don't want to traumatize your nerves.


I tend to agree here.
I'm not a fan of Sarno tbh, even though he is miles ahead of some of the other more established ideas out there.
He just went a bit too far off the deep end imo.


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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: psykophant] #2197067
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Originally Posted By: psykophant
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Numbness = nerve trauma.

You don't want to traumatize your nerves.


I tend to agree here.
I'm not a fan of Sarno tbh, even though he is miles ahead of some of the other more established ideas out there.
He just went a bit too far off the deep end imo.


well his vast legions of no-longer-handicapped by pain fans are all stocked to have taken the plunge.

how do you explain the stunning %'s and #'s of 5* book e-reviews written by prior sufferers?


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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: Q_Surf] #2197074
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Originally Posted By: Q_Surf
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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Numbness = nerve trauma.

You don't want to traumatize your nerves.


I tend to agree here.
I'm not a fan of Sarno tbh, even though he is miles ahead of some of the other more established ideas out there.
He just went a bit too far off the deep end imo.


well his vast legions of no-longer-handicapped by pain fans are all stocked to have taken the plunge.

how do you explain the stunning %'s and #'s of 5* book e-reviews written by prior sufferers?



People tend to heal injuries and resolve pain all on their own with no intervention whatsoever.
It's the biggest confound out there.

He just tends to lean on the psychosocial elements too heavily imo.
While that may be helpful too many, it's not painting an accurate picture.

It's a question of "useful lies" much like the Kitty Genovese story.

I have no doubt the book has proven useful to many, but the biopsychosocial pain model encompasses more than what i've seen of what Sarno promotes.

"All pain is neurogenic." != "Your emotions etc caused your pain."


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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: bergie] #2197077
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Dude, a friend of mine had a tiny fracture on a lower vertebrae (don't ask me which, I have no idea), and also discovered a small disk hernia.

He is struggling to get back to surfing longer sessions, but at the same time he is going crazy with exercises, swimming a lot (we actually swim together at the same gym), Krav Maga twice a week, as well as some other random exercises.

It's been almost one year... just like you described, when he thinks he will get better, he doesn't. I don't think he should be doing all that exercise, but at least he is in the greatest shape of his life despite being injured...

2 important things:

1. Surfing makes it worse. He surfs for 1:30 hours and leave... he says it then hurts more than usual for a couple days. One thing is worse the surfing though...

2. A carver board is the worst thing you can do. If there's one thing my buddy completely abandoned after getting hurt was his carver board. He says it absolutely wreaks his back, more than anything else.

So to sum it up, a carver board is a big no no.

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Re: herniated disc tips to get back faster in the water [Re: psykophant] #2197088
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Originally Posted By: psykophant
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Numbness = nerve trauma.

You don't want to traumatize your nerves.


I tend to agree here.
I'm not a fan of Sarno tbh, even though he is miles ahead of some of the other more established ideas out there.
He just went a bit too far off the deep end imo.


well his vast legions of no-longer-handicapped by pain fans are all stocked to have taken the plunge.

how do you explain the stunning %'s and #'s of 5* book e-reviews written by prior sufferers?



People tend to heal injuries and resolve pain all on their own with no intervention whatsoever.
It's the biggest confound out there.

He just tends to lean on the psychosocial elements too heavily imo.
While that may be helpful too many, it's not painting an accurate picture.

It's a question of "useful lies" much like the Kitty Genovese story.

I have no doubt the book has proven useful to many, but the biopsychosocial pain model encompasses more than what i've seen of what Sarno promotes.

"All pain is neurogenic." != "Your emotions etc caused your pain."


i see.

and so by your logic it was mere coincidence that my "chronic" back pain of 4yrs stopped w/i 2 wks of having read the book (9yrs ago w/o any relapse) ?

i (and my legions!) am clearly more an "expert" on the book's effectiveness than you.

imo your cynical theories here do a cruel disservice to those who might have also benefited by reading it. shameonyou

if you have a strong argument against his works, why must you rely on blatant mis-quoting?


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i see.

and so by your logic it was mere coincidence that my "chronic" back pain of 4yrs stopped w/i 2 wks of having read the book (9yrs ago w/o any relapse) ?


I nowhere mention coincidence, i'm only pointing towards finer distinctions.
In fact it was probably, for you and your legions, "just what you needed to hear".

The biopsychosocial model incorporates almost everything Sarno promotes, but gives it proper context.

Ignoring biological change is almost as harmful as assuming mesodermal changes are what caused the pain, or are still causing it.


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i (and my legions!) am clearly more an "expert" on the book's effectiveness than you.

imo your cynical theories here do a cruel disservice to those who might have also benefited by reading it. shameonyou

if you have a strong argument against his works, why must you rely on blatant mis-quoting?


Likewise the Kitty Genovese story is still recited as truth in textbooks across the land.

Conversely, a skeptic might now read it knowing it's value in relation to its shortcomings.

I use the quote function for actual quotes, in case you missed that.
Paraphrasing, typically with sarcasm added, is better suited to the "".


Take the "smudging" described here:



That's a biological change to the brain.
How do you suggest a book is going to help with that, no less immmediately?
Reading a book instead of sticking to PT could on the other hand allow such biological changes to occur.
That's real harm.


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