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how do you define groveling and/or a good grovel board? #2111503
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i think the most common thread on the design forum, besides tailpad placement, is related to the groveler

i think grovel means different things to different people
we should expand our vocabulary
develop a glossary

i start to enjoy surfing when it's better than chest high and has some push. i'm a 41 year old, 6' 165lb desk jockey. i'm not as quick and agile as a 5'8 130lb 20 yr old ripper. i like the wave to give me speed and power so i can direct the board where i want it to go. i like to point my nose down the face of the wave and do a bottom turn into a top turn. i'm probably not super vert, but you get the idea.

so, groveling to me is when the wave doesn't have enough push to surf how i like to surf. pumping laterally along the face in hopes that a section to hit pops up. my superbuzz does that well. double up close out beach break that will let you do one turn. sb does that well

but like waist high and mushy... that is close to not really surfable to me. on a short board at least. that's like sub-groveling. what is a good term for that? a good label? longboardable desperado?

that's a good name for a model
the desperado


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Re: how do you define groveling and/or a good grovel board? [Re: averagejoe] #2111504
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When I am paddling out semi-disgusted with the desperation that has driven me to surf crap this bad, those are groveling conditions.

If I am walking up the beach with a smile on my face after surfing crap that bad, the board was a groveler.

Re: how do you define groveling and/or a good grovel board? [Re: averagejoe] #2111505
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depends on a few things.

I think you kind fo defined it well in your post.

Groveling is when I have to most of the work , rather than the board.
A good grovel board is one that helps me do less work.

Inherent speed, ability to catch gutless waves, ability to maintain speed through fat/flat spots and some sort of maneuverability.


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Re: how do you define groveling and/or a good grovel board? [Re: averagejoe] #2111506
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groveling = weak waves under shoulder high , they normally have very flat faces and the shoulder bends away from you .

good board for conditions like that must carry speed well ( glide ) , have good float , and ( for me ) be very receptive to front foot driving ( for frontside ) and back foot stomping ( backiside )

Re: how do you define groveling and/or a good grovel board? [Re: averagejoe] #2111507
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That sums it up pretty well.


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Re: how do you define groveling and/or a good grovel board? [Re: c_olden] #2111508
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if i have to do them instead of off the lips, due to lack of facial steepness, i need a "grovel" board

Re: how do you define groveling and/or a good grovel board? [Re: retodd] #2111509
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To me a good grovel board helps to make speed rather than control it. It should also allow me to surf crap waves in a similar style to how I surf in better waves.

I have boards that I can surf when the waves are small and weak (a fish and a longboard). They are fun in small surf, but I don't consider these good grovel boards because they force me to radically change the way I surf. I have a Coil MM that feels more like a HP shortboard that works in small surf. To me this better fits my definition of a good grovel board.

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for me it's mostly the season that defines the board. hopefully starting Fall thru Spring i'm my shortboard or step up. during that time usually rare i break out my grovel board. late spring thru summer it's mostly grovel board and hardly my shortboard.

Re: how do you define groveling and/or a good grovel board? [Re: averagejoe] #2111511
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I'd say if you have to pump it and not surf like you normally do, it's not a groveler. Or at least not a good one.

In my mind, a groveler should let you plane in sub par conditions.
A lot of grovelers don't do that.

But yeah, I don't understand those who don't surf if it's below chest high or mushy. Plenty of fun to be had in almost all conditions with a right tool.

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i start to enjoy surfing when it's better than chest high and has some push.




I'd probably quit surfing.

Honestly, I think you should probably take a look at your quiver and start trying some other options. I have boards for and love almost all conditions. There are several grovelers that WILL perform in sub waist high waves. I've landed airs, gone semi vert, and done some pretty damn good surfing (for me) on my Album sub.

I think it's all about finding the right sled for the conditions.


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I think it's all about finding the right sled for the conditions.




i like 2-3 boards for the same conditions , keeps it fun

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I think it's all about finding the right sled for the conditions.




i like 2-3 boards for the same conditions , keeps it fun




Yeah that's it exactly. I check the buoys and tides, then always throw two boards in the car that are ideal for those conditions. Allows for a slight adjustment depending on what I actually see. Almost always never get let down.


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i start to enjoy surfing when it's better than chest high and has some push.




I'd probably quit surfing.

Honestly, I think you should probably take a look at your quiver and start trying some other options. I have boards for and love almost all conditions. There are several grovelers that WILL perform in sub waist high waves. I've landed airs, gone semi vert, and done some pretty damn good surfing (for me) on my Album sub.

I think it's all about finding the right sled for the conditions.




i've been surfing less this year than the last few years
i think this summer was dreadful
part of it is my "range" in the mornings before work
the east side of santa cruz is tucked back in the bay needs some push to get going, imo.
yeah - i do want something that goes better in waist high stuff. get out there a few more days.
crowds and soft point breaks make it hard to motivate

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I think you need to look at some super grovelers or logs then. Waist high isn't small to me, even at 6'0" 190 +

When I surf spots in N County SD that don't have as much push I just reach for more foam.


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thanks for the pep talk man
i probably have turned towards being a bit of a lazygrumpyfuck about it
i have a pretty nice log that i haven't surfed in over a year

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