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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: MrSteve] #2904343
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Originally Posted By: MrSteve
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Curious if anyone is still riding a vanguard?


Sort of along those lines... which of the planing hull designs paddles into waves the best/ easiest? Let's say for clean chest/ head. Or if you want to differentiate for junky or grovel conditions. Any info is appreciated.


Vader. I had my Vader out in DOH Indo juice, and that wide diamond nose with the funky nose channels and parallel rail outline glided into waves with just a few strokes. Never tried a Vanguard, but I imagine it would do the same thing. My friend had his out in anything...


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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: sh3] #2904522
01/27/19 04:15 PM
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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2904895
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I've got the vanguard. It's pretty cool overall. Not the best board for steep hallow waves. It glides really well over mushed out sections, and is fast. If the waves have allot of power, then it gets skiddish unless you set it on rail fast. It's hard to sink the tail, but I think that is point of the design. Once you adapt your technique, it's a fun board. The nose has a really cool interesting sensation, but at times I feel like taking a few centimeters off the rail at the tail. My board is way too over volumes though, so keep that in mind. If you find one your size, you will probably like it. The vanguard is very unique, a fish for star wars fans.

Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2904900
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Not to veer off topic too much but I have to say I cannot remember the value of a brand dropped as drastically as the Tomo market has in the last 2 years.

That being said I really think there is value in the used Tomo market. His shapes are incredible, and work really well. The evo, cyber sim, and Vader are timeless IMO.

Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2904908
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Still holding on to my Vanguard, but I havent ridden it in several years. Ive moved on to other boards I guess. I cant bring myself to sell it for a couple of reasons:
1) it's still the fastest board I have ever ridden.
2) Like gbarsby said, its not worth much of anything on the re-sale market.

One of these days Ill dig it out and get wowed all over again.

Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2904993
01/28/19 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: Waterlogged05
I was lurking Instagram, Deforest, you look more in control with that tail, less slidey.
I think it is benefiting you, especially w the recent swell.
Thanks Waterlogged05... I appreciate you saying that. smile
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Id be interested in hearing the difference too. What are the dims, D?
The dims on both boards were 5'5 x 18 1/2 x 2 5/16.

Hydroshort Squash isnt really a wide point forward board design, but it felt that way for me because the nose is wider than the tail. It felt like a round nose SKX and I'd have to really pivot the tail to get it going. Small fins helped. I may order this board again in a 5'3 or 5'4 and see how it goes. It feel like it has a longer rail line than the rountail.

The Hydroshort roundtail feels amazing! Its almost identically proportionate nose and tail and feels really good. It has speed right from the takeoff and that round tail just rolls on rail really easily. Nice rocker profile too. For people who like a wider tail, I'd go with the roundtail for sure. 5'5" feels perfect in the roundtail.

Never ridden a Vanguard, but the Vader will never leave the quiver. One of the funnest boards i've ever ridden and is magic everytime i ride it.

Re: Tomo MPH [Re: gbarsby3] #2905036
01/28/19 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: gbarsby3
Not to veer off topic too much but I have to say I cannot remember the value of a brand dropped as drastically as the Tomo market has in the last 2 years.
That being said I really think there is value in the used Tomo market. His shapes are incredible, and work really well. The evo, cyber sim, and Vader are timeless IMO.

Interesting comment. I could imagine there's a line around the Evo (or certainly the SD Sci-Fi) where his designs before that (Vanguard, Vader, Nano, V4, etc.) don't resell as well. I assume it's because the more recent designs are more "user-friendly"/ forgiving.
If you are talking about the rarer XTR versions you have had up for sale, I think general surfing public really is just not familiar with it, and doesn't assign a premium to the resale price for the construction. I don't know what % of surfers know of XTR... maybe 10%?

Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2905050
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The reason I asked about the vanguard was I'm buying one off a mate that he's surfed once. He bought it new for a pittance and I'm buying it from him for $300 Aud. He's selling it to fund purchases of a Seaside and a Cymatic. So the past designs like the Vanguard, Vader and Nano do seem to have slipped heavily in re-sale as buyers look for the newer designs.
My Nano was still a phenomenal board and I'm looking out for another one.
only sold it (along with my other boards) when I couldn't surf due to a serious lower back condition.


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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2905065
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my vanguard replica was my favourite board of all time. thing worked in 1ft to 8 ft

Re: Tomo MPH [Re: Oeste858] #2905074
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Originally Posted By: Oeste858
Originally Posted By: gbarsby3
Not to veer off topic too much but I have to say I cannot remember the value of a brand dropped as drastically as the Tomo market has in the last 2 years.
That being said I really think there is value in the used Tomo market. His shapes are incredible, and work really well. The evo, cyber sim, and Vader are timeless IMO.

Interesting comment. I could imagine there's a line around the Evo (or certainly the SD Sci-Fi) where his designs before that (Vanguard, Vader, Nano, V4, etc.) don't resell as well. I assume it's because the more recent designs are more "user-friendly"/ forgiving.
If you are talking about the rarer XTR versions you have had up for sale, I think general surfing public really is just not familiar with it, and doesn't assign a premium to the resale price for the construction. I don't know what % of surfers know of XTR... maybe 10%?


Let's not forget that the Vanguard and Vader are roughly 8 year old designs now. This day in age, everyone seems to want the latest/greatest model. If you had a Cymatic for sale, I doubt you would have trouble selling it for a premium, but for older Tomo models, many have ridden them already and moved on to the newer ones.


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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: sh3] #2905091
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Originally Posted By: sh3
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Hey Nick-

Long time no post. Question for you:

Did your Psyko "stick" when you did a carve? Got a new one and am super stoked on the instant speed, but after doing a carve, at the tail end of it the board has a tendency to sink on it's tail and wipe off most of the speed. Granted, this was my first session so I'm still figuring the board out, but it's working far more similar to a pintail short board than a squash or split tail such as on my V4s or CyberSim. I can tell I'm going to love it, but wondered if this feeling is similar to what others have experienced on the Psyko.

Now, with that said, the speed and drive is amazing. Great barrel rider in a thruster set up. Amazing, actually. And it EXCELS at making late drops easy. I already love it in more bowly conditions.

I'll take my answer(s) off-line. Good to see you all again.

-Steve


Hey need4speed - good to see your name. smile

I'll answer my own question now. The Psyko is more of a beach break fast tilt board, whereas the V4 is more of a down the line point break board. As a result of that winged in tail, the last part of the cutback will tend to pivot hard versus a drawn out turn on my old V4. It's definitely a different sensation.

I think Daniel's boards are amazing. The versions up to the Evo are incredible, IMO. More of a straight rail line versus those that came thereafter. It depends upon one's preference, but I love the feel of these boards. Freaking love it.

Below is the latest shortboard quiver shot of my Tomos. smile






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6'1" V4 step-up (18-3/4" wide and 2-1/2" thick)
5'10" V4 pointy nose (19" wide and 2-3/8" thick - an amazing board)
5'10" V4 pointy nose from FW (18-3/4" wide and 2-3/8" thick)
5'8" Psyko (19" wide and 2-7/16" thick)
5'6" Cybersim (19" wide and 2-1/2" thick)

All ridden as thrusters except the Sim ridden as a quad.

Thinking of selling the FW if anyone is interested. It's in excellent shape.

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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: sh3] #2905100
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Originally Posted By: sh3
Originally Posted By: sh3
Originally Posted By: nkpheous




Hey Nick-

Long time no post. Question for you:

Did your Psyko "stick" when you did a carve? Got a new one and am super stoked on the instant speed, but after doing a carve, at the tail end of it the board has a tendency to sink on it's tail and wipe off most of the speed. Granted, this was my first session so I'm still figuring the board out, but it's working far more similar to a pintail short board than a squash or split tail such as on my V4s or CyberSim. I can tell I'm going to love it, but wondered if this feeling is similar to what others have experienced on the Psyko.

Now, with that said, the speed and drive is amazing. Great barrel rider in a thruster set up. Amazing, actually. And it EXCELS at making late drops easy. I already love it in more bowly conditions.

I'll take my answer(s) off-line. Good to see you all again.

-Steve


Hey need4speed - good to see your name. smile

I'll answer my own question now. The Psyko is more of a beach break fast tilt board, whereas the V4 is more of a down the line point break board. As a result of that winged in tail, the last part of the cutback will tend to pivot hard versus a drawn out turn on my old V4. It's definitely a different sensation.

I think Daniel's boards are amazing. The versions up to the Evo are incredible, IMO. More of a straight rail line versus those that came thereafter. It depends upon one's preference, but I love the feel of these boards. Freaking love it.

Below is the latest shortboard quiver shot of my Tomos. smile






L-R:
6'1" V4 step-up (18-3/4" wide and 2-1/2" thick)
5'10" V4 pointy nose (19" wide and 2-3/8" thick - an amazing board)
5'10" V4 pointy nose from FW (18-3/4" wide and 2-3/8" thick)
5'8" Psyko (19" wide and 2-7/16" thick)
5'6" Cybersim (19" wide and 2-1/2" thick)

All ridden as thrusters except the Sim ridden as a quad.

Thinking of selling the FW if anyone is interested. It's in excellent shape.
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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2905103
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hey Steve - hope all is well. nice looking boards.

Re: Tomo MPH [Re: gbarsby3] #2905223
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Originally Posted By: gbarsby3
Not to veer off topic too much but I have to say I cannot remember the value of a brand dropped as drastically as the Tomo market has in the last 2 years.

That being said I really think there is value in the used Tomo market. His shapes are incredible, and work really well. The evo, cyber sim, and Vader are timeless IMO.


Interesting observation. I think the value of used FW Tomos has dropped because the LFT construction doesn't hold up for very long. They get old and yellow looking fast. However, I doubt this is the case for XTR.

I think the out-there aesthetic and ride reached a pinnacle around the Vader, then started getting more refined and easy-to-use. I found no magic in the 3 EVOs I went through, but my 2 Vaders have been amazing. I'm really into my Hydrosquash and Hydronaut, but they don't have the absolute wow factor of the Vader going mach-10 and then laser slicing through some waves.


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Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB] #2905435
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speaking of MPHs, pretty great deal for a lighter sized human wanting to try a Cymatic in San Diego (not mine):

https://offerup.com/item/detail/620708169/

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