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#2893931 - 01/04/19 01:30 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: Mr J]
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Originally Posted By: Mr J
Deforest, check out the pic of Bob Cooper at the bottom of this link http://www.surfresearch.com.au/agr.html
In the early 90s I remember ordering a custom board and staring at such a device hanging on the wall. When the shaper saw me looking at it I got quickly steered out of the shaping room laugh Nowadays the attitude has changed and some shapers are even offering shaping lessons as part of their services. Also note at the end of that article that measuring rocker has been the source of confusion for a long time now.

I think pro shaper oakfoils who posts here measures rocker in a similar manner to what you have been doing i.e. puts his shapes on their belly on a flat surface, but before the glassing so the weight of the fin boxes doesn't influence it. It obviously means something to him, but not useful for say comparing a Tomo with a HPSB of different lengths.

Thanks to jkb we do know something about how that example compares. I think his board is an MPH. He has measured in the more usually accepted convention. When whisperer and myself fed the numbers into shape3d and scaled up we got 3.98" and tail rocker of 1.78". Rocker is what I would call on the low end of moderate, more HP than a fish.

https://forum.surfer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2730107#Post2730107
Thats a great thread! Thanks for sharing Mr J. Yeah, JKB is very knowledgeable... so is GS. I'd love to play around with S3D, but I think handshaping a board will come first. I'm going to have a go at making a rocker measuring tool and some favorite outlines from past boards and see what happens. Thanks for your help.

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#2893972 - 01/04/19 02:14 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: deforest]
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Originally Posted By: deforest
Yeah, JKB is very knowledgeable.


I take issue with this statement. monkey

I'm really just in my infancy of understanding board design. Like Mr. J said earlier, I too have a terrible eye for curves, but I'm trying to learn and understand things better by putting a numeric value to rockers. I try to soak up as much as I can from people like Greg, GDaddy, Ghostshaper, Mr. J, Whisperer, retodd, twinzerfan.....among many others here that contribute a lot of valuable info.

So thanks to all of you that share your knowledge on these subjects cheers
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#2894741 - 01/06/19 04:02 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: Goodfish]
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Goodfish, how are you liking your hydrosquash? Are you riding it as a DD? More so than the SP2?

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#2894746 - 01/06/19 04:15 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: crotchgrab]
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Originally Posted By: crotchgrab
Goodfish, how are you liking your hydrosquash? Are you riding it as a DD? More so than the SP2?


Winter DD, yup.
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#2895041 - 01/07/19 01:08 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB]
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I got a Hydroshort roundtail on order! Pics to come! rockin

I think the roundtail is gonna be magic!

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#2903939 - 01/25/19 04:51 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB]
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The board looks and feels epic!

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#2903942 - 01/25/19 05:01 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB]
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That looks epic.

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#2903945 - 01/25/19 05:08 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB]
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I was lurking Instagram, Deforest, you look more in control with that tail, less slidey.
I think it is benefiting you, especially w the recent swell.

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#2903983 - 01/25/19 06:12 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB]
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Good looking board facelick
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#2904077 - 01/25/19 08:22 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB]
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How do you decide between your Hydroshort and your Hydrosquash, deforest? How do they compare?
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#2904083 - 01/25/19 08:50 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB]
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Id be interested in hearing the difference too. What are the dims, D?

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#2904084 - 01/25/19 08:51 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: J_D_J]
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I want to hear about the crooked nose and the board having no fins . drowning

This place is great .

Too much Naah
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#2904260 - 01/26/19 01:12 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: VaB]
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Curious if anyone is still riding a vanguard?
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#2904304 - 01/26/19 03:24 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: Retropete]
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Originally Posted By: Retropete
Curious if anyone is still riding a vanguard?


Sort of along those lines... which of the planing hull designs paddles into waves the best/ easiest? Let's say for clean chest/ head. Or if you want to differentiate for junky or grovel conditions. Any info is appreciated.

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#2904332 - 01/26/19 06:28 PM Re: Tomo MPH [Re: nkpheous]
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Originally Posted By: nkpheous




Hey Nick-

Long time no post. Question for you:

Did your Psyko "stick" when you did a carve? Got a new one and am super stoked on the instant speed, but after doing a carve, at the tail end of it the board has a tendency to sink on it's tail and wipe off most of the speed. Granted, this was my first session so I'm still figuring the board out, but it's working far more similar to a pintail short board than a squash or split tail such as on my V4s or CyberSim. I can tell I'm going to love it, but wondered if this feeling is similar to what others have experienced on the Psyko.

Now, with that said, the speed and drive is amazing. Great barrel rider in a thruster set up. Amazing, actually. And it EXCELS at making late drops easy. I already love it in more bowly conditions.

I'll take my answer(s) off-line. Good to see you all again.

-Steve
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