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#1633548 - 11/01/10 07:54 AM Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups?
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Lately Ive been riding a Malcolm Campbell twin fin with a Bonzer Light bottom on it. The thing is just so fun, Im having trouble getting off of it. Super fast, super loose, its just butter. Ive always had an affinity for twin fins. For me the downside of a twin was always the point at which you were forced OFF of the twin. I can transition from a thruster to a bonzer to a quad in any combination without a whole lot of trouble. I can even transition from any of those to a twin without much difficulty. The problem for me always became transitioning OFF of the twin in say 6 to 10 foot faces, otherwise known as the point at which I typically got forced off of my twin fins. Ten foot faces is not the place where I want to start having problems transitioning to a different surfboard.

Now almost all of my twin fins have had a small wave focus. There was one attempt at a twin step up ( a long time ago) but it had limited success. I have no idea what the max size is for the board I am riding, but considering it was made with an every-day California type focus, it would be reasonable to expect a point of difficulty with increasing size.

Which brings me to the step up twin fin concept. Now I know Akila Aipa has made twin fin guns with success. Greg Griffin of course springs to mind, as does Greg Webber. Forum member Bud 808 seems to be experimenting with some twins and Im sure he has pushed his boards into some larger waves. I have never picked up a Griffin, but I gather he is a straight V kind of guy and gets solid results with that. I saw some stuff Greg Webber did a while back that had deep double concaves running through the whole board. Akila Aipa, I have seen only very small pictures of his stuff, but of course he has it under his own feet as well as Dave Rs. They must be working. And of course you cant talk about twins without talking about Mark Richards boards. And how could I leave out Tomo? JJR let me look over one of his personals and...

So whatdaya know? Experiences, pictures, theories, criticism whatever. Bring it on. Oh, and twins with a stabilizer? Real twin fins have two fins. Or do they? Seems to me at some point the board should work as a stand-alone twin. Having the option of a removable trailer to extend range (or tame down that unwanted backside off the top reverse I seem to get in bigger waves) is probably an option to consider.

So show me your twins.




EDIT: Just for the hell of it, this is a cave painting of me riding a Steve Huerta twin fin some time in the late Pleistocene age. (otherwise known as the 80's)


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#1633549 - 11/01/10 08:01 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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MY Griffin twin Loved big waves , and Mr. GWS i know your a back foot surfer and like some foam in your boards .

a GG twin would go off under your Feet. maybe could send you a file ?????

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#1633550 - 11/01/10 08:07 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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I love twin fins!

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#1633551 - 11/01/10 08:34 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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Interesting subject especially since my 15 year old son did the Cosmic Creek for the 2nd year this past weekend.

He is so stoked on the twinnies he got to ride. Rode a Brewer and Local Motion twin and wants one now. I must say that I agree with him as he surfed them real good.

Total flashback for me also as the boards are what I used to ride as a grom.


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#1633553 - 11/01/10 09:11 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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quad in any combination without a whole lot of trouble. I can even transition from any of those to a twin without much difficulty. The problem for me always became transitioning OFF of the twin in say 6 to 10 foot faces, otherwise known as the point at which I typically got forced off of my twin fins. Ten foot faces is not the place where I want to start having problems transitioning to a different surfboard.




i thought quads are supposed to work well in bigger surf and wouldn't a quad be easier to transition from a twin just seems simplier to me. but hey experiment with the twins

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#1633554 - 11/01/10 09:29 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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Lefthanders 6'x 19 1/2" x 2 1/2" Twin










Slingshot Sports 6' x 19 1/2" Twin Kiteboard based on this design

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#1633555 - 11/01/10 09:33 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: stu dog]
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quad in any combination without a whole lot of trouble. I can even transition from any of those to a twin without much difficulty. The problem for me always became transitioning OFF of the twin in say 6 to 10 foot faces, otherwise known as the point at which I typically got forced off of my twin fins. Ten foot faces is not the place where I want to start having problems transitioning to a different surfboard.




i thought quads are supposed to work well in bigger surf and wouldn't a quad be easier to transition from a twin just seems simplier to me. but hey experiment with the twins




Quads feel dead coming off of a twin.

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#1633556 - 11/01/10 10:59 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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#1633557 - 11/01/10 11:22 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: 000]
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I have about 20 twin fin's. I feel I'm pretty committed to the the design. But that's nothing compared to Dave Rastavich. Regarded as one of the world's best free surfers, Rasta is a twin fin afficianado. According to Squidforce his whole collection of craft for the Hawaiian season is twin-finned (above is his 15 board Hawaiian Quiver, all of them twin fins). Stay tuned to see what goes down in Hawaii. I expect Dave’s performances to be groundbreaking and anything but retro.

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#1633558 - 11/01/10 11:43 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: 000]
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Likes like it would be too loose.



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#1633559 - 11/01/10 11:54 AM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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Waiting for the twinned white diamond...

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#1633560 - 11/01/10 12:43 PM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: greysuit]
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Rasta on a twin.



Flying.

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#1633561 - 11/01/10 01:23 PM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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I think the trailer fin on my AMT set of futures take care of any problems I ever had surfing a twin on hollow days but even on OH+ days I find my board works best w/ AM1 thruster set Doesn't really answer your ? but I have always wanted to try a pintail twin and a bonzer twin sounds insane. Only if I could win the lottery
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#1633562 - 11/01/10 01:41 PM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: GWS]
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fark, he's going fast. who's the dude on the sup? trying to get barrelled on a boat

I had a cole twin and loved it, wish I kept it. went well in everything from knee to OH. On the OH days, I ran the lokbox twins and a gx trailer, had more than enough hold. twins feel like your tail is on ball bearings without any bearing holders or someting, slippery fast fun
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#1633563 - 11/01/10 02:52 PM Re: Twin fin love/twin fin step-ups? [Re: Havoc]
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5'10"x18 3/4"x2 1/4"

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TWIN PIN Model Description:

Twin pin-this design is a collaborated effort with Rasta to find stability and pivot at high speeds obtained on faster waves like pointbreaks, Indo, Fiji, and Tahiti. The elimination of surface area and width plus added tail rocker allowed this design to be responsive at higher speeds with more size and power.






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