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#1230906 - 03/14/12 08:36 AM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: RbrOutlier]
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#1230907 - 03/23/12 05:05 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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This is one reason why even though I'm fairly agnostic-I always remind my Secular Liberal Christian bashing friends that the Godless Commie/Fascist/Socialist/Nazi's murdered more humans in the 20th century than all religions combined ever.






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#2764288 - 03/16/18 11:08 AM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: geedee]
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What about pitbulls?


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#2764351 - 03/16/18 12:59 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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Aaah fook. Just believe what you want. Most of us athiests dont want to live under any specific state that has a religion.

You know how you feel about Shiara Law? That's kinda how we feel about living under the rules of any religion that we dont believe in.

And yeah, when some yahoo from Indiana claims that God talks to him directly and happens to be the vice president, we view this as a form of mental disorder.

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#2764356 - 03/16/18 01:07 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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"the state" can take multiple forms. The most common form back in the day was religious simply because that was the easiest way to organize an otherwise decentralized and diverse population. Wars between nations or tribes didn't happen because of God - or nationalism - but because this group wanted that group's resources. Internal purges didn't happen because of god or nationalism either, but because the group in control wanted to suppress dissent as a means of maintaining or extending their control.


If it wasn't for people, communism would be perfectly virtuous, same as applies to religion or any other flag people might choose to march under. The problem is that people tend to act like people, and if we try to establish a baseline that assumes otherwise we are building an additional form of the natural state of conflict into the mix.
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