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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: GDaddy] #2984170
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Yes. And motion detectors and drone surveillance and sending employers to jail and family separation when the adults try to use anchor babies to game the system.

If one of them wants us to make an exception for them because their case is so special then they can make that case - as an individual. In the meantime we continue to bring in 1M heads a year through our front door.


It’s physically impossible.


No it's not. It'll never be cheaper to do this than right now. 20 years from now the demand to impose their presence on us will be even stronger than it is now. That end of the problem will never go away unless the left succeeds in turning America into Venezuela.




Mexico will pay for it anyway, so it's FREE

This notion of yours that all immigrant parents use their babies for their own benefit and need to be punished by separatiin is pretty fvcking insane.

If you are a parent living in poverty or fleeing persecution, it would be criminal if you don't want safety or better life for your kids.

But because you can't empath, ANCHAR BABYS



It's not punishment, it's a choice. They can either take their kids with them when they get deported or they can leave them here. Nobody is telling them they have to split up, the adults just can't stay here.


Who said it's not their choice? You are stating the obvious, again.

I'm asking why is it your choice to treat people inhumanely?



Immigration laws are stringent enough, problem is the sheer amount of people escaping poverty and persecution.

NOT OUR PROBLEM

Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: 1whoknows] #2984177
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Originally Posted by 1whoknows
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We have a partial border wall. In the places where it exists, like San Diego and El Paso, it is incredibly effective. There is quite a bit of data to support the fact that it deters people crossing on foot. The real question is, why don't we as a nation commit to completing, improving, and maintaining it?

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Are you in favor of a 20’-30’ wall all along the border?


I think that it would be physically impossible to do that due to natural barriers, but in those places where crossing on foot is possible, it is neccessary to build a physical barrier that is not easily surmounted.

The physical barriers that exist today force people into the deserts along the Southern border. We don't know how many people have died out there, making that crossing; but the estimates are in the 1000s. I don't want people to die in the desert looking for the American Dream.

We need to take a multi-tiered approach to immigration reform.

Stop the remittances to countries of origin. Go after employers. Make temporary work visas easier to get. Expand the immigration court system. Make it MUCH HARDER to live in this country as an undocumented alien. You shouldn't be able to acquire a TIN, open a bank account, get a loan, or buy a house in this country without proof of citizenship, work visa, or a green card, and your children certainly shouldn't be citizens or allowed to attend schools if you as a parent are none of those things. If you are an undocumented alien, you shouldn't get in-state college tuition. By allowing these benefits we are encouraging and incentivizing this behavior.

And building a wall in those areas of the border where there is a great deal of foot traffic, will stop many thousands of people crossing illegally.


1. A trump wall would be physically impossible.
2. Current immigration laws are ineffective and could use to be changed.

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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: GoodOlBoy] #2984182
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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: GoodOlBoy] #2984183
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Originally Posted by GoodOlBoy
Originally Posted by 1whoknows
Originally Posted by GoodOlBoy
Originally Posted by 1whoknows
Originally Posted by GoodOlBoy
We have a partial border wall. In the places where it exists, like San Diego and El Paso, it is incredibly effective. There is quite a bit of data to support the fact that it deters people crossing on foot. The real question is, why don't we as a nation commit to completing, improving, and maintaining it?

[Linked Image]


Are you in favor of a 20’-30’ wall all along the border?


I think that it would be physically impossible to do that due to natural barriers, but in those places where crossing on foot is possible, it is neccessary to build a physical barrier that is not easily surmounted.

The physical barriers that exist today force people into the deserts along the Southern border. We don't know how many people have died out there, making that crossing; but the estimates are in the 1000s. I don't want people to die in the desert looking for the American Dream.

We need to take a multi-tiered approach to immigration reform.

Stop the remittances to countries of origin. Go after employers. Make temporary work visas easier to get. Expand the immigration court system. Make it MUCH HARDER to live in this country as an undocumented alien. You shouldn't be able to acquire a TIN, open a bank account, get a loan, or buy a house in this country without proof of citizenship, work visa, or a green card, and your children certainly shouldn't be citizens or allowed to attend schools if you as a parent are none of those things. If you are an undocumented alien, you shouldn't get in-state college tuition. By allowing these benefits we are encouraging and incentivizing this behavior.

And building a wall in those areas of the border where there is a great deal of foot traffic, will stop many thousands of people crossing illegally.


1. A trump wall would be physically impossible.
2. Current immigration laws are ineffective and could use to be changed.

Thanks


You're welcome.

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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: FecalFace] #2984209
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Who said it's not their choice? You are stating the obvious, again.

I'm asking why is it your choice to treat people inhumanely?



Immigration laws are stringent enough, problem is the sheer amount of people escaping poverty and persecution.

NOT OUR PROBLEM


Locking the front door to your house is neither inhumane nor cruel. The U.S. is under no moral obligation to accept everyone who wants to come here.

However, if we wish to *choose* to admit a hardship case then 100% of that decision should be under our control and at our terms and discretion and 0% of that decision should be under their control or at their terms.

Enforcing the existing laws more effectively and adding further impediments to illegal crossings does not preclude us from choosing to admit more people or lowering our qualifications criteria. These are two separate issues - the conflation of them being the same thing amounting to a huge lie.


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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: GDaddy] #2984219
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Who said it's not their choice? You are stating the obvious, again.

I'm asking why is it your choice to treat people inhumanely?



Immigration laws are stringent enough, problem is the sheer amount of people escaping poverty and persecution.

NOT OUR PROBLEM


Locking the front door to your house is neither inhumane nor cruel. The U.S. is under no moral obligation to accept everyone who wants to come here.


See, you can use mischaracterization too.


Turning them away is not inhumane, except in genuine asylum cases.

What's inhumane is separating parents and children and holding them in horrid conditions.

Absolutely zero reason to do that other than utter disregard for human beings.





Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: FecalFace] #2984222
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Like the ICE guy said when Crazyeye was harrassing him the other day, if someone gets arrested for an offense they always get separated from their kid. That's why most normal people are extra careful to refrain from committing offenses when they're with their kids.

Either ICE has the authority to make the arrest and the detention of the adult or they don't.

Not that complicated. Even you should be able to understand that reasoning. Even if you don't think it's an offense to cross illegally.


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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: GDaddy] #2984228
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Like the ICE guy said when Crazyeye was harrassing him the other day, if someone gets arrested for an offense they always get separated from their kid. That's why most normal people are extra careful to refrain from committing offenses when they're with their kids.

Either ICE has the authority to make the arrest and the detention of the adult or they don't.

Not that complicated. Even you should be able to understand that reasoning. Even if you don't think it's an offense to cross illegally.



Yep, keep blaming others for something you choose to do.

That's really taking responsibility for you actions.

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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: FecalFace] #2984230
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Originally Posted by GoodOlBoy
Originally Posted by 1whoknows
Originally Posted by GoodOlBoy
Originally Posted by 1whoknows
Originally Posted by GoodOlBoy
We have a partial border wall. In the places where it exists, like San Diego and El Paso, it is incredibly effective. There is quite a bit of data to support the fact that it deters people crossing on foot. The real question is, why don't we as a nation commit to completing, improving, and maintaining it?

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Are you in favor of a 20’-30’ wall all along the border?


I think that it would be physically impossible to do that due to natural barriers, but in those places where crossing on foot is possible, it is neccessary to build a physical barrier that is not easily surmounted.

The physical barriers that exist today force people into the deserts along the Southern border. We don't know how many people have died out there, making that crossing; but the estimates are in the 1000s. I don't want people to die in the desert looking for the American Dream.

We need to take a multi-tiered approach to immigration reform.

Stop the remittances to countries of origin. Go after employers. Make temporary work visas easier to get. Expand the immigration court system. Make it MUCH HARDER to live in this country as an undocumented alien. You shouldn't be able to acquire a TIN, open a bank account, get a loan, or buy a house in this country without proof of citizenship, work visa, or a green card, and your children certainly shouldn't be citizens or allowed to attend schools if you as a parent are none of those things. If you are an undocumented alien, you shouldn't get in-state college tuition. By allowing these benefits we are encouraging and incentivizing this behavior.

And building a wall in those areas of the border where there is a great deal of foot traffic, will stop many thousands of people crossing illegally.


1. A trump wall would be physically impossible.
2. Current immigration laws are ineffective and could use to be changed.

Thanks


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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: 1whoknows] #2984233
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I choose to support the enforcement of immigration law, up to and including family separation for detainees. And the summary rejection of unfounded asylum claims. Faster better than slower.

I also fully support giving every single parent the right to immediately repatriate with their kids, no questions asked.


It's unfortunate that so many illegals attempted (by their own hand) to rush the border that they overwhelmed the existing detention facilities, but I am categorically opposed to releasing them for that reason.


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Re: Have all you trump supporters accepted the utter foolishness of building a wall on Mexican border? [Re: BillyOcean] #2984242
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Why does the left not want to enforce our border?



we do. we keep saying this.

there are a couple presidential candidates that are pandering because the
primaries reward insanity, but everyone wants a tight border and, I might
add, stricter enforcement and punishment for employers.

I'm pretty sure all pol posters have outwardly expressed as much.


How come no dem running for President will say anything about how they would enforce the law?



has someone asked them that question?

how come you won't say anything about not sodomizing ducks?


I’ve been a consistent strong supporter of sodomizing water fowl

Dems volunteer a lot of info about immigration but it’s all about welcoming more immigrants not stopping people from coming or booting people out




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