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Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: jkb] #2974584
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https://patents.google.com/?q=Surfboard&oq=Surfboard

Plenty of surfboard patents. Hardly a new idea.

Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: jkb] #2974609
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Not a big Fu to the rest of the industry at all. It's a way to protect the innovative intellectual property. Whether some armchair Monday morning quarterback feels like the intellectual property is unique or not doesn't matter either. It's up to the guy putting in the extra mile in order to protect his ip whether or not to take the gamble. Might not pay off, probably won't, statistically, but you never know if you don't put in the hustle. If he wins his patent then he can protect his design, doesn't take much imagination to guess why that's more important in the current state of the industry than ever.

Simon didn't patent the thruster design. It stinks that he doesn't get paid for his innovation
Who wouldn't like to know that one of the greatest design breakthrough in our sport made him financially well off...for generations. But that story didn't play out like that. This is common knowledge. Maybe if you feel so strongly about this, and you've had a great thruster (or 2) you should send him some money? I'm sure he would be easy to find if you have a check for him.

Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: drewtang] #2974641
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Karma is a bitch! Already have seen those channels from China. Good luck with that Dane. I’ll keep quiet about what I know as I have been in this industry for a long time. I’ve heard enough to write a tell all book. So many fake bullshit con men in this business! It will Catch up to you eventually.


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Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: bsnyder] #2974683
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Originally Posted by bsnyder
Karma is a bitch! Already have seen those channels from China. Good luck with that Dane. I’ll keep quiet about what I know as I have been in this industry for a long time. I’ve heard enough to write a tell all book. So many fake bullshit con men in this business! It will Catch up to you eventually.

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Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: jkb] #2974696
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Morey Boogie now Whammo patenting Black rails on Bodyboards is complete horseshit and should have never been approved.

So yeah, many of these patents out there are not justified, and their owners don’t deserve anything for ‘their idea’.


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Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: jkb] #2974700
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Patented or patent pending?

Doesn’t seem entirely novel in design or application but I suppose no one petitioned the patent office to call bullshit.

I think as a design it stands squarely on the shoulders of other boardmakers work. Like just about everything that has happened surfing since forever.

I know nobody likes being poor and all that, but one thing I love about surfing is that any swinging dick can wonder how or why and pick up a planer or tool to find out the hard way. It all starts with someone else’s work though...hubris to say otherwise.

I won’t speculate on the little whispers I hear about this guys rise, but I find his ultra slick sermons and radio voice really off putting. I mean, are we all f=cking stupid enough to think that those hatchet keels or the flagrant Tomo ripoffs are the works of a highly original shaping auteur? I feel like he was the last hipster standing when the galaxy of douchey unsurfable white tinted Simmons stupidity collapsed in on itself a few years back. (Thank fvch).

Not everything is as it seems I guess. Some of the hottest chicks on Insta are Russian guys.

Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: jkb] #2974715
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I first had a board with deck channels like that made by Steve Seebold sometime around 1997. Had a logo on it just like posted below. I don't even know if he was the first or the only one to do it at the time but I had one and a local shop probably had 10 other of his boards with the channels on the rack. I see this as someone knocking off someone else and then patenting the knock off. In that era I also had a board where they had routed thin channels along the bottom and filled with fin rope to create rods to strengthen the board. Pretty sure they called them power rods. Quick, someone patent that one.

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Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: jkb] #2974718
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Originally Posted by jkb
Has deck "corrugation" been used before? I'm not sure, but I'd bet yes. Perhaps GG can tell us.



It absolutely has. Of course it wasn't given the stupid name but deck channels were put along the rails of boards in the 90s. This is not new and Vulcan certainly isn't the first.


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I have something that will make any board more exciting = fun to ride

For every builders board and ehancing every customers surfing experience .

I have had this for a very long time and the tech of today would make it very easy to make and alter .

None of those I worked for were trust worthy to share it with .

It would be Very Expensive to protect world wide - its REAL and will be taken since it works so well . No Pros needed .

Way more dynamic than a fin plug or dents in the deck :-)

I may never try to release it since I feel this industry will just take it .


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So they took stretch's idea, and did it twice? Not really an original idea.


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Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: drewtang] #2974767
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Originally Posted by drewtang
Not a big Fu to the rest of the industry at all. It's a way to protect the innovative intellectual property. Whether some armchair Monday morning quarterback feels like the intellectual property is unique or not doesn't matter either. It's up to the guy putting in the extra mile in order to protect his ip whether or not to take the gamble. Might not pay off, probably won't, statistically, but you never know if you don't put in the hustle. If he wins his patent then he can protect his design, doesn't take much imagination to guess why that's more important in the current state of the industry than ever.

Simon didn't patent the thruster design. It stinks that he doesn't get paid for his innovation
Who wouldn't like to know that one of the greatest design breakthrough in our sport made him financially well off...for generations. But that story didn't play out like that. This is common knowledge. Maybe if you feel so strongly about this, and you've had a great thruster (or 2) you should send him some money? I'm sure he would be easy to find if you have a check for him.

Bill Thrailkill put 3 fins on a board before Simon.


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Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: everysurfr] #2974772
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Originally Posted by everysurfr
So they took stretch's idea, and did it twice? Not really an original idea.


Good catch on Stretch doing the deck channels too. Pretty sure Stretch started doing it around 2005..........and he was copying people who did it before him. The board I had with deck channels was well before I'd seen a Stretch with them. If memory serves Rusty might have been doing deck channels too at one point and may have even posted a picture or video on the web demonstrating the tool he used to do it.


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Hey !

Thats a Surftech !!! ;-)

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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by drewtang
Not a big Fu to the rest of the industry at all. It's a way to protect the innovative intellectual property. Whether some armchair Monday morning quarterback feels like the intellectual property is unique or not doesn't matter either. It's up to the guy putting in the extra mile in order to protect his ip whether or not to take the gamble. Might not pay off, probably won't, statistically, but you never know if you don't put in the hustle. If he wins his patent then he can protect his design, doesn't take much imagination to guess why that's more important in the current state of the industry than ever.

Simon didn't patent the thruster design. It stinks that he doesn't get paid for his innovation
Who wouldn't like to know that one of the greatest design breakthrough in our sport made him financially well off...for generations. But that story didn't play out like that. This is common knowledge. Maybe if you feel so strongly about this, and you've had a great thruster (or 2) you should send him some money? I'm sure he would be easy to find if you have a check for him.

Bill Thrailkill put 3 fins on a board before Simon.



A friend has a Velzy shortboard from about 1970 that has 3 glass on fins. Big fin in the middle and two smaller fins on the rails.


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Re: What are your thoughts on patenting a surfboard design feature? [Re: Fredtool] #2974792
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Originally Posted by Fredtool
Getting a patent is one thing it is another thing to defend your Patent. Happens all the time in the computer industry. Some small guy comes up with something a another larger company does a slight design change and starts production. The little guy now sues. 10 years later it’s still in court. The little guy is Bankrupt has to sell his rights for pennies on the Dollar. If Firewire makes a Board with similar deck channels. Volcano now has to defend the Patented corrugated deck. FireWire could drag things out for a long long time. Right up to the point that those corrugated Boards stop selling.


This^

Unless you have free time to chase people down and take them to court and collect damages to your "business," your patent is only good for publicity, which I think Vulcan did it for. If he convinces a large board builder to use his innovation, good for him for getting paid.

A lot of patents aren't secured by the original creator/inventor, rather by a savvy businessman who has the $$$ and time to go through the patent process and then collect from people. Surf leashes and surf traction are examples in the surf industry, that's why there are so many flash in the pan surf accessory makers that are 'hot' for a couple years until they get shutdown by the "damage" collectors.

Joe Bauguess patented the "Mini Simmons" name but I don't think he ever got to collect on all the manufacturers that refer to their micro grovellor hulls as mini simmons, his descendants might if they choose to go that route. But, Joe's name will forever be associated with the "Mini Simmons" design, for good or ill considering the speculation of the design's origins.

The super strong indestructable surfboard to last a lifetime is a farce, who wants one other than a surf school? I'm not for equipment that breaks easily or wears out quickly, I just like to try new stuff.


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