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Fake carbon - busted! #2968003
06/14/19 11:33 AM
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Look at this article on Swellnet

Who is it? How widespread is this?

None of my boards have the fake stuff.

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968005
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Terrified to name names.


I’m just here to drink some beer and ride high volume boards.
Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: ciscojaws] #2968013
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This is a great comment



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The Shaper commented FRIDAY, 14 JUN 2019 at 11:03AM
To bring some balance and insight into the issues raised here, The reason these guys use that approach is not to save a dollar, it to achieve a very sharp clean presentation for the retail environment. The difference has already been pointed out. Think about this .....you walk into a shop and look at two boards one has carbon with fuzzy messy edges and squiggles the other looks similar but its sharp clean and straight. Unfortunately visual presentation always wins over function and performance in a retail setting. We saw that with the early plastic fins. High glass filled ratio gave good rigidity but a poor finish. FCS went for retail presentation "good finish" instead and used 25% glass fill. The fins were useless but people bought them because they looked good.

The second thing to know here is that carbon does not deliver its properties in polyester resin. So apart from having a thicker laminate (which counts)there is no real strength advantage until you set it in Epoxy. That's when you get the full bang. So its all perception anyway.... sorry.... here is a link and there will be heaps more available on this topic is look for it. -: https://www.sollercomposites.com/EpoxyResinChoice.html
Quote " Polyester Resins

These are the cheapest of all the resins. They have poor bonding capability and should never be used for any structural carbon or aramid work. They typically work well only on fiberglass. One should generally never consider using this resin with structural applications with Carbon Fiber or Aramid. "

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968022
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Originally Posted by Hopeless
Look at this article on Swellnet

Who is it? How widespread is this?

None of my boards have the fake stuff.


None of my boards have fake or real carbon.


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Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968023
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It's funny that everyone is blowing up about nylon being used for a stomp patch instead of carbon, as nylon if used properly can be excellent for dent resistance. Needs epoxy to bond well though.

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968051
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I always wondered how some companies were getting their tail hits straighter than others. Figured it was some easier to lay down sheet.

Do most still call it carbon or are they more casually referred to as “tail hits” or some other ambiguous claim.

As for me, I have two boards, many with whatever my shaper uses and one without. The one without isn’t the oldest or newest in the quiver but has tail cancer on both sides. The ones with reinforcement do not. YMMV

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968065
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Also if that photo is the brand I’m thinking of does that mean carbon wrap is really nylon wrap?

I think rice paper wrap has a better ring to it.

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Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968130
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Yeah. Some of it is indeed rice paper lams.

I'd tell you who does this, but then someone would have to kill me.

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: i_shapes] #2968134
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Before anyone tries to say something sideways as some might do, Roberts uses real carbon. As advice, anyone attempting to harm the above commentor would in all aspects be putting they're own lives at an even greater risk than what they think they might be to his.

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968158
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Probably just as useful as a real carbon tail hit . . . .

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968182
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I actually find carbon to do a pretty good job of preventing the tail from getting crushed. There are probably better materials for this application and maybe the carbon hits are screwing up the flex but of the boards I have with carbon vs. without the carbon ones have held up better.

Using rice paper or other cheaper materials does seem pretty cheesy and dishonest IMO.

I wonder which big brands are guilty here...

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968199
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I never had a strong feeling between carbon and vector net.

Probably a “butterfly” patch of just 4oz would be a similar effect?

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: sd_101] #2968230
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I used to ask for a tail patch on the deck of all of my custom boards but lately, the 'S' glass seems to do the trick without adding an extra layer. Either that, or I've become lighter on my rear foot. shrug


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Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968236
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I have a couple of shortboards with carbon on the tail and I don't crush the rail like I do on the boards I've had without it. I like how it looks uneven and not perfect. The people who buy boards because the "carbon" looks more "perfect" probably don't need it anyway.

Re: Fake carbon - busted! [Re: Hopeless] #2968242
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In the early 80's when S cloth appeared for surfboards it was softer compression wise

K cloth was the the most dent resistant

S cloth has more and tighter fibre - less resin , harder to tear apart , less prone to break

K cloth was thicker strands with more resin , easier to tear apart , maybe crack easier

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