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Re: Trump says he would accept interference from a foreign power in U.S. elections. [Re: stu dog] #2967639
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Originally Posted by stu dog

Pretty sure that's a section from the Mueller report.


Shhh. Don't tell him he's reading Vol. 1 Pages 187,188. Should also check out pages 185 & 186:


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A threshold legal question is whether providing to a campaign "documents and information" of the type involved here would constitute a prohibited campaign contribution. The foreign contribution ban is not limited to contributions of money. It expressly prohibits "a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value." 52 U.S.C. § 3012l(a)(l)(A), (a)(2) (emphasis added). And the term "contribution" is defined throughout the campaign-finance laws to "include[]" "any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value." 52 U.S.C. § 30101(8)(A)(i) (emphasis added).

The phrases "thing of value" and "anything of value" are broad and inclusive enough to encompass at least some forms of valuable information. Throughout the United States Code, these phrases serve as "term[ s] of art" that are construed "broad[ly]." United States v. Nilsen, 967 F .2d 539, 542 (11th Cir. 1992) (per curiam) ("thing of value" includes "both tangibles and intangibles"); see also, e.g., 18 U.S.C. §§ 20l(b)(l), 666(a)(2) (bribery statutes); id. § 641 (theft of government property). For example, the term "thing of value" encompasses law enforcement reports that would reveal the identity of informants, United States v. Girard, 601 F.2d 69, 71 (2d Cir. 1979); classified materials, United States v. Fowler, 932 F.2d 306, 310 (4th Cir. 1991); confidential information about a competitive bid, United States v. Matzkin, 14 F .3d 1014, I 020 ( 4th Cir. 1994); secret grand jury information, United States v. Jeter, 775 F.2d 670, 680 (6th Cir. 1985); and information about a witness's whereabouts, United States v. Sheker, 618 F.2d 607, 609 (9th Cir. 1980) (per curiam). And in the public corruption context, "'thing of value' is defined broadly to include the value which the defendant subjectively attaches to the items received." United States v. Renzi, 769 F.3d 731,744 (9th Cir. 2014) (internal quotation marks omitted).

Federal Election Commission (FEC) regulations recognize the value to a campaign of at least some forms of information, stating that the term "anything of value" includes "the provision of any goods or services without charge," such as "membership lists" and "mailing lists." 11 C.F.R. § 100.52(d)(l). The FEC has concluded that the phrase includes a state-by-state list of activists. See Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington v. FEC, 475 F.3d 337, 338 (D.C. Cir. 2007) (describing the FEC's findings). Likewise, polling data provided to a campaign constitutes a "contribution." FEC Advisory Opinion 1990-12 (Strub), 1990 WL 153454 (citing 11 C.F.R. § 106.4(6)). And in the specific context of the foreign-contributions ban, the FEC has concluded that "election materials used in previous Canadian campaigns," including "flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material," constitute "anything of value," even though "the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain." FEC Advisory Opinion 2007-22 (Hurysz), 2007 WL 5172375, at *5.

These authorities would support the view that candidate-related opposition research given to a campaign for the purpose of influencing an election could constitute a contribution to which the foreign-source ban could apply. A campaign can be assisted not only by the provision offunds, but also by the provision of derogatory information about an opponent. Political campaigns frequently conduct and pay for opposition research. A foreign entity that engaged in such research and provided resulting information to a campaign could exert a greater effect on an election, and a greater tendency to ingratiate the donor to the candidate, than a gift of money or tangible things of value. At the same time, no judicial decision has treated the voluntary provision of uncompensated opposition research or similar information as a thing of value that could amount to a contribution under campaign-finance law. Such an interpretation could have implications beyond the foreign-source ban, see 52 U.S.C. § 30116(a) (imposing monetary limits on campaign contributions), and raise First Amendment questions. Those questions could be especially difficult where the information consisted simply of the recounting of historically accurate facts. It is uncertain how courts would resolve those issues.


Re: Trump says he would accept interference from a foreign power in U.S. elections. [Re: everysurfr] #2967655
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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by GromsDad
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Let’s start with Hillary and Obama and the whole deep state crew that facilitated them

If Dems are still cool with the whole treason thing then, we can do trump

You are a stupid troll aren't you?

Who is in office right now? Who is giving nuclear secrets to the Saudis right now? Who is asking for foreign contributions right now.

Stupid shits like you give him his power. Go fvck yourself



Claims to be a republican........has no problem with glaring democrat corruption. Believes every anti-republican conspiracy theory he hears.

I already said Hillary was corrupt.. She belongs in jail too.

Trump is a traitor, and you support him. You hate America, and the rule of law. Go fvck yourself dumbshit.


So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?

Hell fooking no!

In fact it would not get one peep of MSM "news" coverage today or the like we've had 24/7/365 the last 2-1/2 years.

Live with it Dems. Elect a better candidate, STFU already, get some real shit done or lose again.

Obsessive desperation is not a good look.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by GromsDad
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Let’s start with Hillary and Obama and the whole deep state crew that facilitated them

If Dems are still cool with the whole treason thing then, we can do trump

You are a stupid troll aren't you?

Who is in office right now? Who is giving nuclear secrets to the Saudis right now? Who is asking for foreign contributions right now.

Stupid shits like you give him his power. Go fvck yourself



Claims to be a republican........has no problem with glaring democrat corruption. Believes every anti-republican conspiracy theory he hears.

I already said Hillary was corrupt.. She belongs in jail too.

Trump is a traitor, and you support him. You hate America, and the rule of law. Go fvck yourself dumbshit.


So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?

Hell fooking no!

In fact it would not get one peep of MSM "news" coverage today or the like we've had 24/7/365 the last 2-1/2 years.

Live with it Dems. Elect a better candidate, STFU already, get some real shit done or lose again.

Obsessive desperation is not a good look.


the dossier was paid for by the GOP too. They also handed it over to the FBI. Everyone in law enforcement disagrees with Cheeto, even Barr on this one.

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Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
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Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


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Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


roflmao


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Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


roflmao






Wow. Dementia among the 55+ wing of the erBB is real.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.

Really I seem to remember her testifying for hours in front of a hostile congress. When is Trump and the rest of his cabal going have the balls to do the same?

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Originally Posted by hal9000
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


roflmao






Wow. Dementia among the 55+ wing of the erBB is real.


I like how GromsDad is still trying to spin the Steele Dossier as only basis for FISA warrants thing.


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Re: Trump says he would accept interference from a foreign power in U.S. elections. [Re: Phi1] #2967675
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Originally Posted by Phi1
Originally Posted by stu dog

Pretty sure that's a section from the Mueller report.


Shhh. Don't tell him he's reading Vol. 1 Pages 187,188. Should also check out pages 185 & 186:


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A threshold legal question is whether providing to a campaign "documents and information" of the type involved here would constitute a prohibited campaign contribution. The foreign contribution ban is not limited to contributions of money. It expressly prohibits "a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value." 52 U.S.C. § 3012l(a)(l)(A), (a)(2) (emphasis added). And the term "contribution" is defined throughout the campaign-finance laws to "include[]" "any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value." 52 U.S.C. § 30101(8)(A)(i) (emphasis added).

The phrases "thing of value" and "anything of value" are broad and inclusive enough to encompass at least some forms of valuable information. Throughout the United States Code, these phrases serve as "term[ s] of art" that are construed "broad[ly]." United States v. Nilsen, 967 F .2d 539, 542 (11th Cir. 1992) (per curiam) ("thing of value" includes "both tangibles and intangibles"); see also, e.g., 18 U.S.C. §§ 20l(b)(l), 666(a)(2) (bribery statutes); id. § 641 (theft of government property). For example, the term "thing of value" encompasses law enforcement reports that would reveal the identity of informants, United States v. Girard, 601 F.2d 69, 71 (2d Cir. 1979); classified materials, United States v. Fowler, 932 F.2d 306, 310 (4th Cir. 1991); confidential information about a competitive bid, United States v. Matzkin, 14 F .3d 1014, I 020 ( 4th Cir. 1994); secret grand jury information, United States v. Jeter, 775 F.2d 670, 680 (6th Cir. 1985); and information about a witness's whereabouts, United States v. Sheker, 618 F.2d 607, 609 (9th Cir. 1980) (per curiam). And in the public corruption context, "'thing of value' is defined broadly to include the value which the defendant subjectively attaches to the items received." United States v. Renzi, 769 F.3d 731,744 (9th Cir. 2014) (internal quotation marks omitted).

Federal Election Commission (FEC) regulations recognize the value to a campaign of at least some forms of information, stating that the term "anything of value" includes "the provision of any goods or services without charge," such as "membership lists" and "mailing lists." 11 C.F.R. § 100.52(d)(l). The FEC has concluded that the phrase includes a state-by-state list of activists. See Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington v. FEC, 475 F.3d 337, 338 (D.C. Cir. 2007) (describing the FEC's findings). Likewise, polling data provided to a campaign constitutes a "contribution." FEC Advisory Opinion 1990-12 (Strub), 1990 WL 153454 (citing 11 C.F.R. § 106.4(6)). And in the specific context of the foreign-contributions ban, the FEC has concluded that "election materials used in previous Canadian campaigns," including "flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material," constitute "anything of value," even though "the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain." FEC Advisory Opinion 2007-22 (Hurysz), 2007 WL 5172375, at *5.

These authorities would support the view that candidate-related opposition research given to a campaign for the purpose of influencing an election could constitute a contribution to which the foreign-source ban could apply. A campaign can be assisted not only by the provision offunds, but also by the provision of derogatory information about an opponent. Political campaigns frequently conduct and pay for opposition research. A foreign entity that engaged in such research and provided resulting information to a campaign could exert a greater effect on an election, and a greater tendency to ingratiate the donor to the candidate, than a gift of money or tangible things of value. At the same time, no judicial decision has treated the voluntary provision of uncompensated opposition research or similar information as a thing of value that could amount to a contribution under campaign-finance law. Such an interpretation could have implications beyond the foreign-source ban, see 52 U.S.C. § 30116(a) (imposing monetary limits on campaign contributions), and raise First Amendment questions. Those questions could be especially difficult where the information consisted simply of the recounting of historically accurate facts. It is uncertain how courts would resolve those issues.





Nothing you're posting here out of the report proves anything, rather it just submits the vague questions that either side can interpret whatever way they want

The Mueller Report:

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Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit


I like how GromsDad is still trying to spin the Steele Dossier as only basis for FISA warrants thing.



Like I said.....Look at the most delusional and fact-free posting on here. Correlate that with the age of the person who posted it.


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I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that he said this as his son was testifying in front of the senate about taking a meeting to get info about a political opponent from Russians.


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Originally Posted by hal9000
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


roflmao






Wow. Dementia among the 55+ wing of the erBB is real.


So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

Keep those blinders on tight.


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The DNC is a private organization and can make any rules they want. Try again?

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Originally Posted by Surfdog

So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

Keep those blinders on tight.


Bernie lost, get over it. Am I doing this right?

Also note, the only way the general public found out about the railroading of Larry David was through the release of hacked documents from DNC servers, which as we all know had no value whatsoever. Right?

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