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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964824
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Great idea that I never expect to see implemented in my lifetime.


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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: rowjimmytour] #2964833
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Originally Posted by rowjimmytour
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Never happen. Not here anyway. If you put something artificial in the longshore drift and someone downstream has their multimillion dollar "beach house" eaten by a NW swell at high tide... you are going to be in court defending a civil suit. Not to mention what happens when some dork goes headfirst into your "reef."

There have been some great waves made with jetties. Just simple jetties. Set them at the right angle and it seems fairly predictable. That can never happen either for the above stated reasons.

Skate parks have signage to knowledge fault from law suits and could only install in places with no homes within mile etc boundry shrug


Do we still have privately owned skateparks? The last one here went out of business when my kid was little. The owner told me it was because some kid got a compound fracture, sued him and then his liability insurance went through the roof. Liability releases aren't worth the paper they are signed on. Everyone that gets surgery signs a liability release. And that release means fvck-all when the attorney goes after the Doctor for malpractice.

You could be ten miles away from a house that gets destroyed. If the insurance company can make a case that the sand that would have been in front of their clients house is not trapped ten miles away in your artificial reef? I just don't see it.

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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: i_shapes] #2964834
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Originally Posted by i_shapes

You could be ten miles away from a house that gets destroyed. If the insurance company can make a case that the sand that would have been in front of their clients house is not trapped ten miles away in your artificial reef? I just don't see it.


I may be wrong, but it seems that even for coastal geologists it's exceedingly difficult to prove the direct influence an up current structure on the down current sand accumulation. I mean, if we can't figure out a way to make the sand stay in one place, how could they prove the effect of something miles away?

Then again, they are lawyers and this is California, so could probably BS the judge and win the case.


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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964835
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My question is this...

Why?


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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964838
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I would love it if I was wrong. Longshore drift goes north to south in CA. If you put a structure to the north of anything that eats crap to the south, I'm thinking they will state their sand is in your reef.

And I don't see the movable thing as practical. Jetties would work. Simple.

As to why, it's crowded. There are miles upon miles of beach that contain no surf able waves.

It's like chocolate and peanut butter.

We just need to kill all the lawyers.

Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964841
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I'll be at my wave pool at O'side drive in while you losers wait around for this. I heard you get a discount if you bring a homeless person.

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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: i_shapes] #2964868
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Originally Posted by i_shapes
I would love it if I was wrong. Longshore drift goes north to south in CA. If you put a structure to the north of anything that eats crap to the south, I'm thinking they will state their sand is in your reef.

And I don't see the movable thing as practical. Jetties would work. Simple.

As to why, it's crowded. There are miles upon miles of beach that contain no surf able waves.

It's like chocolate and peanut butter.

We just need to kill all the lawyers.


this dovetails well with my longstanding desire to build a wall from roughly Oxnard -> Palmdale -> Needles, which would also curtail all NorCal water heading south. But your idea of extending it into the sea and blocking all swell and sand from flowing south seems prudent and reasonable as well.

Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964869
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Coastal circulation is a complex thing. Drop something in the water and currents change and certain areas get cut off from flow.

Imagine getting one of these things north or south of your local and suddenly you local is the next Long Beach.

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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964883
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Greg has some great ideas, some of them can work if they can get funded.

Many of the most popular and best waves in North America are completely artificial constructs - Sandspit in Santa Barbara, Huntington Pier, Newport Jetties, Ala Moana, Sebastian Inlet, etc.

All built with no reference or research into their viability to produce good surfing waves - was not a consideration at all.

If it can be done by accident it can certainly be done by intent.

Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964908
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I always thought Newport style jetties all the way up through Huntington & up to sunset would be the best thing


Nobody surfs here anymore..........it's too crowded

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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964919
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They should dig a huge canyon just off the coast from La Jolla Farms.


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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964942
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used tire reef. Thought about writing a proposal w/ my prof buddy as a summer research job. bounce off the reef? no problem... until it's covered in mussels.


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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: Boneroni] #2964968
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Originally Posted by Boneroni
I'm still a big fan of jetties too smile

As am I


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12 years ago, off Corpus Christi’s coast nueces county secured the funds to reopen the packery channel. Also there were funds for new jetties. The longshore current runs south to north. The initial install of the jetties was the south jettie was started first, then work was started on the north jettie. Long story short, the south jettie was taken to full length, and a period of time was longer than the north jettie. In that situation the setup was a dream come true. It kept the sand moving not allowing for fill in either in the channel or on the leeward side. It was an excellent wave. But the design was to make the jetties equal length. The surfers knew upon completion of equal length would change everything in a negative way.
So when there is surf what happens is the channel has a breaking wave , so to get out in your boat you must time sets. The surf suffered tremendously, where it went from a great wave through all conditions to mediocre at best.
What I don’t understand is couldn’t somehow involved with the project really see the real impact. And yes, 20 miles down the road one of are piers sandbars was affected by the disruption in the longshore current.

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Re: Some crazy and amazing ideas from Greg Webber [Re: ghostshaper] #2965035
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Originally Posted by ghostshaper
used tire reef. Thought about writing a proposal w/ my prof buddy as a summer research job. bounce off the reef? no problem... until it's covered in mussels.


Several years ago I read an article in the Mexican news about millions of used tires from the Mexico City metro. I wrote a letter to surfrider asking about any available technology about using tires for artificial reefs. I used the island in front of Barra de Potasi as an example place here and stated that the reef wouldn’t have anything to do with generating breaking waves or sand movement, that the purpose would be to modify the bottom structure to attract sea life. The answer I got could only have been written by Smackdaddy. Unpossible. Tires will end up on the beach due to breaking waves. Ecological disaster. How stupid am I? I wrote back that the tires would be anchored 3 kilómetros off shore in 30 meters of water so breaking waves wouldn’t be an issue. I never got a response back.

There are a couple hundred miles of shoreline in Guerrero and Michoacán where artificial reefs/jetties would work. My front yard is one of them.


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