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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: Waxfoot] #2966312
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Originally Posted by Waxfoot
Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.



This has probably been the single biggest struggle in ordering shortboards for the last couple years.

And it doesn't help when there are a myriad of variables that are also present in the equation like rocker, outline, foil, wave type etc.

What I find almost consistently however is that I feel like I do better surfing on the boards that are typically on the lower end of the volume spectrum for me. For me that's 30L. I have a handful of small(ish) wave boards that are in the 30L range and I find I surf them quite well.

For my standard HPSB, the volume usually fluctuates anywhere between 31L and 32.5L and what I find there is foil is the biggest determining factor. Some of the lower volume boards I've ridden have gotten me used to more sensitive foil.

Unfortunately, there's only so much volume you can pack into a 6'0 x 19.13 x ??? without ending up with super round rails.

For instance, I ordered two 5'11 x 19.25 x ??? to get them to be 31.5L and they both came out too thick and don't surf that well. So I have experienced the tradeoffs.

I know some people think .5L differences are marginal but I disagree. Especially when you're surfing paddle dependent spots like OBSF.

The long and the short of it is that I have a sold set of shortboards that are 31L to 32L. I'm going to try a few that are 30L - 31L and see what the tradeoffs are.

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966325
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I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966412
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Greg, you seem to have a good grasp on foiling rails. Hidden volume.
Some shaper just slap more volume on their for float and it really hurts performance. (could also be an issue in scaling various models below or ahead of sugested guidelines)

But like I said, I weigh dick and a half so I have a hard time "Engaging" rails that aren't tucked or thin enough (my vernacular may be lacking here)


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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: Greg Griffin] #2966414
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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.


Thanks, Greg, for another timely, high-value comment

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966431
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medinas a kook riding over foamed boards semi-fun shapes roflmao

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: Waterlogged05] #2966470
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A foiled rail line like this requires less effort to " Engage" it

The contact surface reduces size , naturally setting in as you press into the maneuver

[Linked Image]

Many "Modern" rails ride thicker , full round at center increasing size into a box edge rail in the tail

You can ride more volume using a foiled rail .


This board is 2 7/8" thick

It has less contact surface than a 2 1/2" thick Fever + it foils into the tail instead of a growing blocky edge .

This will "Engage" with very little input


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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966494
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Greg had the best looking rails in the game facelick


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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966507
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Thanks Greg, that makes a lot of sense, and the rails on that board looks nuts!

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966509
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I do often wonder about Danes preferred rail shape and it’s impact to the CI team riders.

Aside from my DFR I have not cared much for OTR rails on “his” shapes. Even then, mine was one that was thinner than “stock”.

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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966511
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SD, the board I was talking about with the chunk rails in the midsection was a Dane board lol
It glides well but my sharpeye feels like a scalpel after riding it


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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: Waxfoot] #2966514
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Originally Posted by Waxfoot
Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.


LOL. I don't think anyone addressed the actual question yet.

I think I understand what you are asking: As you find the need or desire to surf an incrementally larger board (eventually we all need to), should we only increase width and thickness or is it OK to also start adding length?

IMO, given our collective current starting point of surfing boards that are historically shorter/wider, adding a bit of length is definitely not a bad thing. In my experience, the extra length might take a very short adjustment period at the beginning, but then it quickly starts to feel very natural.

The biggest adjustment in my experience when going up in length, has been getting used to the extra nose length on steep/late drops when there is a lot of curve in the wave. But it's not harder IMO, you just get used to needing a certain amount of clearance and just have to adjust your angle of takeoff to avoid any nose pokes on the new board.

As for fitting in the wave, I've found that longer shapes can actually fit the wave better sometimes than the shorter/wider boards simply because the nose is pulled in more. Once I'm up and riding, it's not usually the tip of the nose that has a hard time fitting in the curve of the wave, it's usually the front rail somewhere. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about true grovel conditions -- in those situations I still like a pretty stubby board.

The other component of shorter boards that we all like is lack of swing weight. In that regard, the lighter epoxy construction really helps minimize that negative (as well as having a slightly more refined and pulled in nose).

Anyway, my point is that it's OK to go longer, but as others on this thread have hinted, its probably not a great idea to simply go longer on the same design that was intended to be surfed shorter/wider. But rather, look towards boards that are intended to be ridden a tag longer anyway and find your volume sweet spot there. That way you get the extra length and all it's benefits without the awkward problem of having a big wide nose that is very far forward.

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966531
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this rail taper conversation calls for it:

big shout out to brian bulkley....made me handfuls of boards with killer tapered rails over the years....allowed me to ride thick stuff without being pyscho boaty

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allowed me to ride thick stuff without being pyscho boaty

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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: delmartian] #2966588
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Originally Posted by delmartian


LOL. I don't think anyone addressed the actual question yet.



Thanks mate, I've found my answer in a combination of rail taper and your length post. I was also at a point where I thought going much over my preferred 2 1/2" thickness ( 2 7/16th rails) was going to become cumbersome, but I didn't consider that there's a lot of foil to play with (given GG's example above).

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Originally Posted by jkb
Greg had the best looking rails in the game facelick

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