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Epoxy marketing - are they really fast? #2795173
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I'm starting to think that they onlyfeel faster because they are light but in reality they are not. I'm getting annoyed at the lack of momentum and drive I'm getting out of these things. Unless the waves are perfect PU feels better. I've had a few DDs in different EPS techs. The only ones that felt decent to me were carbon wrap (still a bit tinny and chattery at times), Stretch CFT, and FW LFT. The lighter techs like FST, Hyfi, Helium among others have all felt like they lack momentum and drive. Anybody else?

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It blows my mind that with all of the competition among board builders that no one has definitively solved the issue of durability + performance

I feel like if the auto makers started manufacturing surfboards they would solve this in about 6 months

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A lot of us are just used to poly

It works really good and if it's made with care then it lasts

Eps epoxy has 2 significant advantages,

1, use more cloth on a lighter core for a strong shell type build for a durable product. If u get used to the feel that's great

2, a nice light small wave board

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Why dont they make epoxy boards just as heavy as PU?

Then theyd be bullet proof.


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Re: Epoxy marketing - are they really fast? [Re: Duffy] #2795244
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Why dont they make epoxy boards just as heavy as PU?

Then theyd be bullet proof.


Very true haha.



I see pretty clear differences in the heavier vs lighter construction in this vid

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Any shaper using poly resin just likes the fact that it is so cheap! I get my pu blanks glassed with one single layer of 6 ounce s glass and epoxy resin.150 dollars more but it lasts 5 years and never loses its flex. Most shapers will do this but I think most surfers want to replace boards often and love getting new shiny toys. I have a few guys I get boards from who say no chemical bond between epoxy and pu causes delamination but I have yet to experience that. Glad I figured it out. I used to buy 5 boards a year and am down to maybe one and they work better for me anyway.

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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Why dont they make epoxy boards just as heavy as PU?

Then theyd be bullet proof.


Thats the best way imo. Some guys do that as standard, and the board has some of the dampness of a poly with the upsides of epoxy. Still respectably light too.

You know consumers though...they walk along the rack, pick up a 2lb K15lly board and its like theyre staring straight up a strippers snapper. Money changes hands and disappointment ensues.

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I've never heard of them being faster, just lighter and stronger.

Call me old school but I'll take poly any day of the week. By the time it's worn out I'm ready for a tweak anyway.


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I love my lightweight EPS Stamps boards for most waves up to head high or so. Going on a year on the most recent ones and no dings loss of liveliness just some comfy little foot wells. The lighter boards are more responsive and I feel like EPS has a faster rebound which is good or fitting in tighter turns in smaller waves.

I have some Stretch EPS tech boards that are pretty heavy and more suited to medium to large surf.

Big and bumpy, windy, I go to poly boards.

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I hate PU. They feel dead to me. I surf mostly small So Cal waves so a lively EPS board feels much better underfoot.

Also, not all EPS is created equal. If you get an EPS blank with the same density as a PU blank, then they don't lack drive at all. When people say EPS is too light, they are comparing an EPS blank that is much less dense than their PU counterpart. Not a fair comparison.


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Originally Posted By: Clamsmasha
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Why dont they make epoxy boards just as heavy as PU?

Then theyd be bullet proof.


Thats the best way imo. Some guys do that as standard, and the board has some of the dampness of a poly with the upsides of epoxy. Still respectably light too.

You know consumers though...they walk along the rack, pick up a 2lb K15lly board and its like theyre staring straight up a strippers snapper. Money changes hands and disappointment ensues.


I generally dont like really light boards, in the weight to length ratio.

If I want a really light feel then I just ride a really small board.


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My XPS board has tons of drive and momentum. It beats huge sections like no other. I think its glassed somewhat heavy though, I don't remember the schedule. It might have s cloth on the deck.

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Originally Posted By: jkb
I hate PU. They feel dead to me. I surf mostly small So Cal waves so a lively EPS board feels much better underfoot.

Also, not all EPS is created equal. If you get an EPS blank with the same density as a PU blank, then they don't lack drive at all. When people say EPS is too light, they are comparing an EPS blank that is much less dense than their PU counterpart. Not a fair comparison.


One mans dead is another mans solid.

As far as comparing and eps blank to a pu blank not being fair...

...well when youre comparing an eps blank to a pu blank and you feel the eps is too light, how is this not a fair comparison? One is lighter than the other. We cant point that out?


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Originally Posted By: Duffy
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I hate PU. They feel dead to me. I surf mostly small So Cal waves so a lively EPS board feels much better underfoot.

Also, not all EPS is created equal. If you get an EPS blank with the same density as a PU blank, then they don't lack drive at all. When people say EPS is too light, they are comparing an EPS blank that is much less dense than their PU counterpart. Not a fair comparison.


One mans dead is another mans solid.

As far as comparing and eps blank to a pu blank not being fair...

...well when youre comparing an eps blank to a pu blank and you feel the eps is too light, how is this not a fair comparison? One is lighter than the other. We cant point that out?


It's because you're probably not comparing a 2lb PU blank to a 2lb EPS blank. More than likely, people are comparing a 2lb PU blank to a 1.5 lb EPS blank. Of course it will be lighter socrazy

....and a lighter blank will translate to less down the line momentum (drive), but quicker acceleration out of the gate.


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Havent ridden much PU, but could see how a heavier board could seem faster when the conditions are choppy.

EPS Epoxy faster? Hmmmmm. Maybe quicker in certain movements but it cant trim faster down the line, no way.

Im pretty much a small wave surfer, and who doesnt love morning glass, so my EPS Epoxy I can pick up wth 2 fingers is pretty sweet.


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