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Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000

Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:27 AM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-c...n-idUSKCN1Q82SW
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:29 AM

This is how we dooooo iiit
Posted By: heelnipstr

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:32 AM

'bullied' roflmao

don't cry Billy O
Posted By: stu dog

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:34 AM

that's not very Christian of him
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:38 AM

“Let’s settle this one”

roflmao
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:44 AM

This is another bad choice made by the kid.

This will affect the rest of his life.

I get that he and the dummies here doesn't get it but I'm just saying.

I like that the adults pushing this lawsuit DGAF about the kid.

I think Billy summed it up best.

He's fvcked.

But maybe he already was before this happened?
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:47 AM

He’s going to have FU money by the time he’s 18

I guess he might be f’d for life by becoming like Bieber

Seems worth the risk
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:48 AM

If the adults who are pulling his strings had been smart they'd have just asked for $100k to get the settlement for the psychological win. Going into the 9-figures just makes it worth the publisher's while to fight it.

Just enough to do something, but not enough to do nothing.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:48 AM

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
He’s going to have FU money by the time he’s 18

I guess he might be f’d for life by becoming like Bieber

Seems worth the risk


I get that you don't get it dummy.

Look at all the bad choices you make.
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:50 AM

Ask for $250mm, they’ll feel lucky when they settle for $10mm
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:50 AM

Originally Posted By: GDaddy
If the adults who are pulling his strings had been smart they'd have just asked for $100k to get the settlement for the psychological win. Going into the 9-figures just makes it worth the publisher's while to fight it.

Just enough to do something, but not enough to do nothing.


Now it''s a spectacle that is going bias the shit out of that dopey kid's nervous system.
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
He’s going to have FU money by the time he’s 18

I guess he might be f’d for life by becoming like Bieber

Seems worth the risk


I get that you don't get it dummy.

Look at all the bad choices you make.


If only I could go back in time and have some dumb Indian step to me
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:52 AM

Yeah, but you'd fvck it up.

You know you would.

#metoo
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Yeah, but you'd fvck it up.

You know you would.

#metoo


Probably

I’m too polite to smirk effectively for more than a second
Posted By: Duffy

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:58 AM

Originally Posted By: GDaddy
If the adults who are pulling his strings had been smart they'd have just asked for $100k to get the settlement for the psychological win. Going into the 9-figures just makes it worth the publisher's while to fight it.

Just enough to do something, but not enough to do nothing.


You almost swerved into it here.

By asking for a $250m it guarantees the WaPo will fight it. When they do that they’ll have to go through the discovery process. What is found during that process may prove to be extremely, uh, illuminating....
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:59 AM

Right, you just evade.

Which is actually what the little jerk should have done.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:05 AM

For Autoprax it's personal.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:11 AM

It's all personal.

And none of it is.
Posted By: 1whoknows

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:14 AM

That little smirker ain’t gonna get shit
Posted By: StuAzole

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:23 AM

I read the complaint. Seems like they are saying “the gist” of the stories was false, but I didn’t see much in the way of actionable specifics. I don’t think that’s going to be good enough.
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:25 AM

i might be wrong about it, but it seems like I heard one of the talking heads making noise about the kid's status as a juvenile somehow being of effect on the case. If so then I'm a bit conflicted about that, 'cause I think that if a kid is capable of acting like adult in such a dispute then they should be treated accordingly. So, different for a 10-yr old than a 17-yr old.
Posted By: Kento

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
He’s going to have FU money by the time he’s 18

I guess he might be f’d for life by becoming like Bieber

Seems worth the risk


Unlike Damone, at least he'll have enough money to pay for abortions.
Posted By: StuAzole

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:59 AM

Originally Posted By: GDaddy
i might be wrong about it, but it seems like I heard one of the talking heads making noise about the kid's status as a juvenile somehow being of effect on the case. If so then I'm a bit conflicted about that, 'cause I think that if a kid is capable of acting like adult in such a dispute then they should be treated accordingly. So, different for a 10-yr old than a 17-yr old.


I think the real issue here will be whether he can be considered a public figure here because he inserted himself into the March or not. If not, there’s probably an argument the Post should have taken time to investigate, particularly since he’s a minor. Hiring a PR firm immediately may not help his cause either.
Posted By: stu dog

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Ask for $250mm, they’ll feel lucky when they settle for $10mm


Bezos has deeper pockets. He'll litigate the fook out of this one
Posted By: ifallalot

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
This is another bad choice made by the kid.

This will affect the rest of his life.

I get that he and the dummies here doesn't get it but I'm just saying.

I like that the adults pushing this lawsuit DGAF about the kid.

I think Billy summed it up best.

He's fvcked.

But maybe he already was before this happened?

Um no. With millions of dollars he'll be fine
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 04:38 AM

Agree to disagree.
Posted By: the janitor

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 04:50 AM

LAME

And likely the first of numerous suits whatever cabal is behind this files

Posted By: Wheelhouse

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:48 AM

the kids attorney gave the media time to retract and apologize. They didnt.
Posted By: 1whoknows

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:14 AM

Your boys gonna get zip, zero, nada. You will not be informed of this. This will not be reported. Watch. Insolent little twerps don’t get paid to be insolent little twerps. A fade to obscurity. No doubt.
Posted By: GromsDad

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 12:06 PM

Worth noting that Hulk Hogan won a $140,000,000 verdict against Gawker for defamation. This case seems stronger to me and the accused have a lot more to lose.
Posted By: TECHNOBUTT

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 12:30 PM

The parents should be suing the school for busing kids into an obviously dangerous situation
Posted By: Duffy

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:17 PM

Originally Posted By: TECHNOBUTT
The parents should be suing the school for busing kids into an obviously dangerous situation


And why was it dangerous?
Posted By: GromsDad

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: TECHNOBUTT
The parents should be suing the school for busing kids into an obviously dangerous situation


And why was it dangerous?


Because leftist are batshit crazy and violent to boot. Always have been.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: TECHNOBUTT
The parents should be suing the school for busing kids into an obviously dangerous situation


And why was it dangerous?


Because leftist are batshit crazy and violent to boot. Always have been.


Narrow framer succumbing to his own framing effect.
Posted By: GromsDad

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: TECHNOBUTT
The parents should be suing the school for busing kids into an obviously dangerous situation


And why was it dangerous?


Because leftist are batshit crazy and violent to boot. Always have been.


Narrow framer succumbing to his own framing effect.


They're called opinions you jackass. Fuk off ya freaking troll.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:56 PM

Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: TECHNOBUTT
The parents should be suing the school for busing kids into an obviously dangerous situation


And why was it dangerous?


Because leftist are batshit crazy and violent to boot. Always have been.


Narrow framer succumbing to his own framing effect.


They're called opinions you jackass. Fuk off ya freaking troll.


That doesn't mean I'm wrong in my assessment.

Have great day! wave2

Posted By: manbearpig

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: TECHNOBUTT
The parents should be suing the school for busing kids into an obviously dangerous situation


And why was it dangerous?


Because leftist are batshit crazy and violent to boot. Always have been.

It must be really scary for you to leave your home.
Posted By: Duffy

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: TECHNOBUTT
The parents should be suing the school for busing kids into an obviously dangerous situation


And why was it dangerous?


Because leftist are batshit crazy and violent to boot. Always have been.

It must be really scary for you to leave your home.


technoass says it was dangerous to be there. What do you think he meant by that?
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 02:54 PM

They were in a situation where others would not perceive their actions as sending the message of safety.

Sometimes you need to do this. But to do it unnecessarily is to look for trouble,


As the saying goes, Don't hate the player. Hate the game. Or maybe hate god because he made the game?
Posted By: hal9000

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 03:59 PM

What were the damages?

And couldn't the entire conflict have been avoided by simply walking 20feet in any direction away from the situation? These kids put themselves in this situation. Now they want to sue?
Posted By: mundus

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 04:21 PM

I thought conservatards hated frivolous lawsuits?
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 04:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
They were in a situation where others would not perceive their actions as sending the message of safety.


That doesn't reflect the accounts of eyewitnesses.

Your confirmation bias is running quite strong in this thread.
Posted By: sizzld1

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 04:55 PM

Asking for $250m is a ham-handed attempt to gain publicity, nothing more. He'll never come close to that number, his attorney's know it, and the WaPo was going to take this case seriously no matter what amount of money was demanded.

As for the case itself, there's a bunch of interesting issues. As previously noted, it's not clear that the kid won't qualify as a public figure (probably unlikely, but not sure there's ever been an opinion about someone who gained "viral" fame overnight) and I think it may be tricky for the kid to point to a single objectively false and defamatory statement of fact (can't point to someone's opinion even if it is completely wrong - how else do you think Fox and Breitbart stay in business?) in any of the articles. He will not prevail based on the overall feel of the pieces or some general claim like that. If the case survives the demurrer stage, it could be interesting.

And casa, the eyewitness account is not as kind to these smarmy little brats young men as you might think.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: sizzld1

And casa, the eyewitness account is not as kind to these smarmy little brats young men as you might think.


Really?

In regards to the specific interaction initiated by Phillip the Indian, a known liar who attempted to initiate a conflict with teengers and changed his story multiple times?

There's an hours worth of video leading up to Phillip the Indian walking up to bang a drum in the kid's face.

An hour's worth of the Black Hebrew Israelites aggressively harassing passerby on the mall, speaking racist insults to blacks, and yelling anti-homosexual insults and gay slurs at the kids.

We all know you don't like the kids and that's fine. Just try to lose your confirmation bias for a second.

Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
They were in a situation where others would not perceive their actions as sending the message of safety.


That doesn't reflect the accounts of eyewitnesses.

Your confirmation bias is running quite strong in this thread.



No, I disagree.

Did you see the confrontation with the crazy blacks? Those kids were triggered right there. So were the black dudes. Go back and watch the video.

If I saw a bunch of dopey kids wearing those stupid hats at an abortion protest, it would trigger a threat response and I would GTFO.

Even without the hats, I would avoid a group of young males if evasion was a lost cost response.

Groups of young males are potentially dangerous.

I don't have a problem if you point out my biases but it would be helpful if your pattern recognition was more accurate.

I might take you more seriously.

As it is now, you miss the mark a lot.

Not always, but a lot. wave2

My take home from that interaction is the social constraints held fast and the conflict didn't escalate to violence.

That is a win.

That said, it could have easily escalated.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
They were in a situation where others would not perceive their actions as sending the message of safety.


That doesn't reflect the accounts of eyewitnesses.

Your confirmation bias is running quite strong in this thread.



No, I disagree.

Did you see the confrontation with the crazy blacks? Those kids were triggered right there. So were the black dudes. Go back and watch the video.

If I saw a bunch of dopey kids wearing those stupid hats at an abortion protest, it would trigger a threat response and I would GTFO.

Even without the hats, I would avoid a group of young males if evasion was a lost cost response.

Groups of young males are potentially dangerous.

I don't have a problem if you point out my biases but it would be helpful if your pattern recognition was more accurate.

I might take you more seriously.

As it is now, you miss the mark a lot.

Not always, but a lot. wave2

My take home from that interaction is the social constraints held fast and the conflict didn't escalate to violence.

That is a win.

That said, it could have easily escalated.




OK

What were those young males doing that indicated they might be potentially dangerous?

Specifically.

And BTW, everyone on the mall was triggered, except Phillip the Indian and his companions.

There were points in the hour long video where people had surrounded the Black Hebrew Israelites. The kids were not involved.

And Phillip the Indian stood by.

Posted By: sizzld1

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: sizzld1

And casa, the eyewitness account is not as kind to these smarmy little brats young men as you might think.


Really?

In regards to the specific interaction initiated by Phillip the Indian, a known liar who changed his story multiple times?

There's an hours worth of video leading up to Phillip the Indian walking up to bang a drum in the kid's face.

An hour's worth of the Black Hebrew Israelites aggressively harassing passerby on the mall, speaking racist insults to blacks, and yelling anti-homosexual insults and gay slurs at the kids.

Try to lose your confirmation bias for a second.



In regards to their actions at the rally as a whole. An example, the kids are on tape yelling at a woman passing by that "It's not rape if you enjoy it." They also mocked the shit out of the old Indian weirdo with offensive war chants/whoops and tomahawk chops. Hardly the little angels you'd like to make them out to be. Also, where did I say they were the only one's in the wrong in the interaction? socrazy

You may want to check your own bias....although I won't hold my breathe. It seems you've bought the Covington PR firm's version of events wholesale.
Posted By: frvcvs

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:13 PM

I find it pretty amusing that this clown and his family are effectively suing WaPo for bullying and many of you here who routinely rolleyes at bullying are cheering him on.
Posted By: mundus

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:14 PM

How long is this one gonna be a talking point?
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: sizzld1

And casa, the eyewitness account is not as kind to these smarmy little brats young men as you might think.


Really?

In regards to the specific interaction initiated by Phillip the Indian, a known liar who changed his story multiple times?

There's an hours worth of video leading up to Phillip the Indian walking up to bang a drum in the kid's face.

An hour's worth of the Black Hebrew Israelites aggressively harassing passerby on the mall, speaking racist insults to blacks, and yelling anti-homosexual insults and gay slurs at the kids.

Try to lose your confirmation bias for a second.



In regards to their actions at the rally as a whole. An example, the kids are on tape yelling at a woman passing by that "It's not rape if you enjoy it."


That was one kid. We've covered this before. 16 year old kids say stupid shit.

Quote:
They also mocked the shit out of the old Indian weirdo with offensive war chants/whoops and tomahawk chops.


You mean, the guy who came up and started banging a drum in their face?

16 year kids do that kind of stuff.

Quote:
Hardly the little angels you'd like to make them out to be.


We've gone over this before.

Most normal 16 year old kids are not angels.

They are generally disrespectful and enjoy pushing limits, especially when the perceived risk is low.

This is Psychology 101.

Quote:
Also, where did I say they were the only one's in the wrong in the interaction? socrazy

You may want to check your own bias....although I won't hold my breathe. It seems you've bought the Covington PR firm's version of events wholesale.


The only version of events I've even paid any attention to have been the video of the hour long lead up to the drum banging, the videos of the drum banging, and Phillip the Indian's multiple changes of story.
Posted By: sizzld1

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:21 PM

Thanks for the lame excuses. You and I have never discussed this btw. But, if I'd only known 16-year olds a little shits to begin with, we could have avoided the discussion. bigdeal

Remember where this discussion started?
Quote:
And casa, the eyewitness account is not as kind to these smarmy little brats young men as you might think.
poke
Posted By: mundus

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:23 PM

Total non story, nobody got hurt, or died. Why can't the kids parents let it all go away instead of using the kid as a political pawn? Really bad parenting.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:25 PM


You are attempting to find every reason to place these kids at fault somehow.

Even referring to unrelated incidents.

The fact still remains:

An adult intentionally walked into a group of kids and started banging a drum in one kid's face. The kid stood there, with a smirk, and did nothing.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:26 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
They were in a situation where others would not perceive their actions as sending the message of safety.


That doesn't reflect the accounts of eyewitnesses.

Your confirmation bias is running quite strong in this thread.



No, I disagree.

Did you see the confrontation with the crazy blacks? Those kids were triggered right there. So were the black dudes. Go back and watch the video.

If I saw a bunch of dopey kids wearing those stupid hats at an abortion protest, it would trigger a threat response and I would GTFO.

Even without the hats, I would avoid a group of young males if evasion was a lost cost response.

Groups of young males are potentially dangerous.

I don't have a problem if you point out my biases but it would be helpful if your pattern recognition was more accurate.

I might take you more seriously.

As it is now, you miss the mark a lot.

Not always, but a lot. wave2

My take home from that interaction is the social constraints held fast and the conflict didn't escalate to violence.

That is a win.

That said, it could have easily escalated.




OK

What were those young males doing that indicated they might be potentially dangerous?

Specifically.

And BTW, everyone on the mall was triggered, except Phillip the Indian and his companions.

There were points in the hour long video where people had surrounded the Black Hebrew Israelites. The kids were not involved.

And Phillip the Indian stood by.




You don't have to be dangerous to trigger a threat response.

It just has to be perceived as a threat.

Here are things that could create perched threats in some people:

Grouping, wearing the hat, going to an abortion protest, and their vocal tone when they were singing their dopey school songs.

Philip the indian was being aggressive too. His actions triggered a threat response in the dumb kid, which the kid expressed with a mild freeze, which is better than fight, but not better than flight or social engagement.

Too me, this is a meeting of the stupids. And the socially prohibitions held fast.

You are mischaracterizing my point and I don't if it's due to confusion or you are just being disagreeable to bait me.
Posted By: sizzld1

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
You are attempting to find every reason to place these kids at fault somehow.

Even referring to unrelated incidents.


Uh, no. You were acting as though these kids were behaving themselves and I merely pointed out that isn't true.

As to your second statement, you're so defensive it's making you dumb. You're the one that started defending them by referring to the black israelites (unrelated incidents), now you want to whine about me pointing out the actions of actual Covington kids? socrazy

The rest of your stupid post was never at issue with me, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Posted By: hal9000

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:33 PM

Is this kid really mentally mature enough to sue the WaPo? Why not apply the same logic you'd apply to a trans teen? Make him wait until he's 18 or 21 to decide.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
They were in a situation where others would not perceive their actions as sending the message of safety.


That doesn't reflect the accounts of eyewitnesses.

Your confirmation bias is running quite strong in this thread.



No, I disagree.

Did you see the confrontation with the crazy blacks? Those kids were triggered right there. So were the black dudes. Go back and watch the video.

If I saw a bunch of dopey kids wearing those stupid hats at an abortion protest, it would trigger a threat response and I would GTFO.

Even without the hats, I would avoid a group of young males if evasion was a lost cost response.

Groups of young males are potentially dangerous.

I don't have a problem if you point out my biases but it would be helpful if your pattern recognition was more accurate.

I might take you more seriously.

As it is now, you miss the mark a lot.

Not always, but a lot. wave2

My take home from that interaction is the social constraints held fast and the conflict didn't escalate to violence.

That is a win.

That said, it could have easily escalated.




OK

What were those young males doing that indicated they might be potentially dangerous?

Specifically.

And BTW, everyone on the mall was triggered, except Phillip the Indian and his companions.

There were points in the hour long video where people had surrounded the Black Hebrew Israelites. The kids were not involved.

And Phillip the Indian stood by.




You don't have to be dangerous to trigger a threat response.

It just has to be perceived as a threat.

Here are things that could create perched threats in some people:

Grouping, wearing the hat, and going to an abortion protest, their vocal tone when they were singing their dope school songs.

Philip the indian was being aggressive too. His actions triggered a threat response in the dumb kid.

Too me, this is a meeting of the stupids. And the socially prohibitions held fast.

You are mischaracterizing my point and I don't if it's due to confusion are you are just being disagreeable to bait me.


Your post now makes sense with the addition of Phillip the Indian and commentary this was meeting of the stupids.

Initiation of conflict is key here.

The bottom line, for me, is when you remove all political aspects from the situation you had a man who attempted to initiate a conflict with teenagers.

The media - who did not have all the facts - initially portrayed this as a group of teenagers who surrounded an elderly man and began mocking and intimidating him.

There's a vast difference between the two.

They also used the kid's smirking face and made him into the evil posterboy.

Later it was discovered he was not the evil posterboy, nor did he initiate the conflict.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
You are attempting to find every reason to place these kids at fault somehow.

Even referring to unrelated incidents.


Uh, no. You were acting as though these kids were behaving themselves and I merely pointed out that isn't true.

As to your second statement, you're so defensive it's making you dumb. You're the one that started defending them by referring to the black israelites (unrelated incidents), now you want to whine about me pointing out the actions of actual Covington kids? socrazy

The rest of your stupid post was never at issue with me, so I'm not sure what your point is.



The Black Hebrew Israelites were not an unrelated incident.

They were key to the story.

As per video and eyewitness accounts. As per Phillip the Indian.

You should know this.
Posted By: frvcvs

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 05:57 PM

Everybody is wrong except future Brock Turner 2.0 the rich white kid. rolleyes
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: frvcvs
Everybody is wrong except the rich white kids and a black kid. rolleyes


Fixed.

Does that hurt your feelings?

We would have never known who these kids were if an adult didn't attempt to initiate conflict.
Posted By: hal9000

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:28 PM

This kid is the product of helicopter parenting and the embodiment of entitled youth that the erBB conservatives constantly complain about. Hate entitlement? Well, this is what it looks like.
Posted By: hal9000

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:30 PM

How many of you guys sued someone when your feelings were hurt growing up? How many of you called the cops or sued someone when you were in the water, or skating, or at a punk show and got regulated by the older crowd?

Grow the fvck up and take your lumps like a man, or a woman, or whatever the fvck gender you want to be.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:34 PM

Did the plaintiff suffer any harm due to the smearing of his image?

Any sort of death threats?

Did he have to relocate or hire security?

Again, we shouldn't even be having this conversation. But because news outlets jumped the gun we are.

Whatever happened to Richard Jewell?
Posted By: sizzld1

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:36 PM

Casa is correct. Assuming this kid can point to specific objectively false factual statements that were defamatory in nature, he should be able to bring his case. There is no doubt he suffered damages.
Posted By: hal9000

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Did the plaintiff suffer any harm due to the smearing of his image?

Any sort of death threats?

Did he have to relocate or hire security?

Again, we shouldn't even be having this conversation.



Were you this concerned for Dr. Ford’s well-being?
Posted By: hal9000

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Casa is correct. Assuming this kid can point to specific objectively false factual statements that were defamatory in nature, he should be able to bring his case. There is no doubt he suffered damages.



At the hands of the WaPo?
Posted By: sizzld1

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: hal9000
Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Casa is correct. Assuming this kid can point to specific objectively false factual statements that were defamatory in nature, he should be able to bring his case. There is no doubt he suffered damages.



At the hands of the WaPo?


Well, that depends on what articles/statements his attorneys can identify and what level of fact checking the WaPo did before posting them. But yes, let's say the WaPo had an article stating unequivocally that the kid approached the Indian guy for no reason whatsoever and began purposefully harassing him. I'm not an expert in this area of law, and there are many qualifying issues that can greatly change the analysis (for example whether he can be considered a "public figure"), but to me that would probably qualify as an objectively false and defamatory statement. Harm arose from those statements, there's no real doubt about that. WaPo would potentially be joint and severally liable with all the other outlets that reported similar things. If not, they would responsible for whatever portion of the harm the jury finds that their articles caused.
Posted By: tHe rAt

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 06:58 PM

The media, on both sides, is out of control. Accountability, verification, competent oversight by engaged editors, all of it has gone to hell. Journalism is the fourth pillar of our democracy. Presently that pillar is at best teetering. I'm not sure if this is the case to be doing it on, but the only thing that is going to stop this mad pursuit of money and desertion of journalistic ethics is some economic pain. Punitive damages. Make it hurt.
Posted By: frvcvs

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 07:05 PM

I'd like to see the kid prove in a court of law that he was engaged in "silent prayer".
Posted By: tHe rAt

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: frvcvs
I'd like to see the kid prove in a court of law that he was engaged in "silent prayer".


I don't believe he would have the burden of proof.
Posted By: the janitor

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 07:58 PM

I haven't been following this story too closely, but is it still the case that the chaperones for the high school kids are still unidentified and somehow escaping scrutiny?

I seem to recall reading that one of the chaperones supposedly gave the green light to the kids doing their school cheering routine after encountering those nice Black Hebrew Israelites, but before encountering the Indians.

I'm thinking the WaPo will be looking to severly roast the chaperones.
Posted By: frvcvs

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: the janitor
I haven't been following this story too closely, but is it still the case that the chaperones for the high school kids are still unidentified and somehow escaping scrutiny?

I seem to recall reading that one of the chaperones supposedly gave the green light to the kids doing their school cheering routine after encountering those nice Black Hebrew Israelites, but before encountering the Indians.

I'm thinking the WaPo will be looking to severly roast the chaperones.


I already tried putting this on the chaperones, iFall and others defended them with gusto. To me it would be real easy to point out that the Israelites are a bunch of kooks seeking a reaction and we shouldn't indulge them with one and should keep on moving avoiding the entire situation. But these kids were on a school trip to a pro-life rally. I don't think any kind of learning was on the agenda.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: the janitor
I haven't been following this story too closely, but is it still the case that the chaperones for the high school kids are still unidentified and somehow escaping scrutiny?

I seem to recall reading that one of the chaperones supposedly gave the green light to the kids doing their school cheering routine after encountering those nice Black Hebrew Israelites, but before encountering the Indians.

I'm thinking the WaPo will be looking to severly roast the chaperones.


That is funny. I was just going to put blame on the adults watching the young men.

If I were in charge of those kids, I would have told the kid in the standoff to move away.

I would have done it in really friendly way.

If the kids said, "The Indian started it!"

I would have said, "I know. Can you just do me a favor and move away from him?"

Threat defused.

Wapo has the deep pockets that the lawyer cum in their sleep over.

Going through a lawsuit sucks.
Posted By: hal9000

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 10:11 PM

Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 10:59 PM

Originally Posted By: frvcvs
Originally Posted By: the janitor
I haven't been following this story too closely, but is it still the case that the chaperones for the high school kids are still unidentified and somehow escaping scrutiny?

I seem to recall reading that one of the chaperones supposedly gave the green light to the kids doing their school cheering routine after encountering those nice Black Hebrew Israelites, but before encountering the Indians.

I'm thinking the WaPo will be looking to severly roast the chaperones.


I already tried putting this on the chaperones, iFall and others defended them with gusto. To me it would be real easy to point out that the Israelites are a bunch of kooks seeking a reaction and we shouldn't indulge them with one and should keep on moving avoiding the entire situation. But these kids were on a school trip to a pro-life rally. I don't think any kind of learning was on the agenda.


I agree to some extent.

The problem is this kind of shit is everywhere in DC. It's like a playground for activists and the deranged who have no problem drawing kids into it. I can remember from my own class trip it was practically impossible to keep shit under control. Would not want the chaperone job.

I think they were actually waiting to get picked up by the bus at the time...
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: tHe rAt
The media, on both sides, is out of control. Accountability, verification, competent oversight by engaged editors, all of it has gone to hell. Journalism is the fourth pillar of our democracy. Presently that pillar is at best teetering. I'm not sure if this is the case to be doing it on, but the only thing that is going to stop this mad pursuit of money and desertion of journalistic ethics is some economic pain.


They have gone beyond reckless.

I've been saying this since Trump got elected because really that's where this shit kicked into high gear.

Everytime I've been shut down by the anti-Trumps. Here the consensus was "It doesn't matter if the media lies cuz Trump lies and is scummy"

I keep trying to explain the media has a duty to maintain ethics and act with prudence. A main reason they exist is because politicians lie, so we look to the media for accountability and truth.

And the expectation, as they are last line of defense, is they do not take on the characteristics of the people they are supposed to be protecting us from.

I posted Greenwald's running list of "major scoops" regarding the Trumpster that news agencies later retracted. Something like 15 stories.

That says something.

I was told Greenwald is just Putin's puppet. Nevermind the fact he was 100% right, just attack the source. roflmao

Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 11:26 PM

CNN got way more like FOX for the left.

I think they are chasing $$$$$$.

Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta

I was told Greenwald is just Putin's puppet. Nevermind the fact he was 100% right, just attack the source. roflmao



Greenwald is just biased.

Just because you are biased doesn't mean you came to the wrong conclusion.

He rages about the US and when people say, what about Russia, he says, yeah, lets get back to the US.
Posted By: frvcvs

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 11:45 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: frvcvs
Originally Posted By: the janitor
I haven't been following this story too closely, but is it still the case that the chaperones for the high school kids are still unidentified and somehow escaping scrutiny?

I seem to recall reading that one of the chaperones supposedly gave the green light to the kids doing their school cheering routine after encountering those nice Black Hebrew Israelites, but before encountering the Indians.

I'm thinking the WaPo will be looking to severly roast the chaperones.


I already tried putting this on the chaperones, iFall and others defended them with gusto. To me it would be real easy to point out that the Israelites are a bunch of kooks seeking a reaction and we shouldn't indulge them with one and should keep on moving avoiding the entire situation. But these kids were on a school trip to a pro-life rally. I don't think any kind of learning was on the agenda.


I agree to some extent.


When I was in college we'd get drunk and wander through times square and Washington square park and would eventually run into the israelites on their soapboxes and typically end up arguing with them for sport. It was fun and dumb at the time but completely not constructive. They literally set out to argue with people. Not much different than here on the erBB, minds are rarely changed. Nobody wins. Why I teacher or adult chaperone would standby and watch kids their responsible for get into that fray is beyond me.

Originally Posted By: Caca_Mangina



The problem is this kind of shit is everywhere in DC. It's like a playground for activists and the deranged who have no problem drawing kids into it. I can remember from my own class trip it was practically impossible to keep shit under control. Would not want the chaperone job.

I think they were actually waiting to get picked up by the bus at the time...


Wait are you admitting that these poor innocent white kids were out of control? I thought they were just there praying?
Posted By: 1whoknows

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/20/19 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: tHe rAt
The media, on both sides, is out of control. Accountability, verification, competent oversight by engaged editors, all of it has gone to hell. Journalism is the fourth pillar of our democracy. Presently that pillar is at best teetering. I'm not sure if this is the case to be doing it on, but the only thing that is going to stop this mad pursuit of money and desertion of journalistic ethics is some economic pain.


They have gone beyond reckless.

I've been saying this since Trump got elected because really that's where this shit kicked into high gear.

Everytime I've been shut down by the anti-Trumps. Here the consensus was "It doesn't matter if the media lies cuz Trump lies and is scummy"

I keep trying to explain the media has a duty to maintain ethics and act with prudence. A main reason they exist is because politicians lie, so we look to the media for accountability and truth.

And the expectation, as they are last line of defense, is they do not take on the characteristics of the people they are supposed to be protecting us from.

I posted Greenwald's running list of "major scoops" regarding the Trumpster that news agencies later retracted. Something like 15 stories.

That says something.

I was told Greenwald is just Putin's puppet. Nevermind the fact he was 100% right, just attack the source. roflmao



Fox News? You must not consider Fox News to be part of “the media.” There’s no way you look to Fox News for “accountability and truth.” Shit, maybe you do.
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 12:59 AM

Any guess on how a Kentucky jury will come out on this? cookin

I doubt WaPo will want to take that risk
Posted By: frvcvs

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 01:15 AM

Can anyone specify how his damages led to $250million? Is he an invalid? Did he lose work? Did he lose his sexual function? Aren't the wounds a little fresh to put such a number on the damages?
Posted By: manbearpig

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 01:18 AM

Fox had a judge discuss how unlikely/difficult it will be for him to actually win the lawsuit if it actually goes to court.

One of the reasons being proving actual damages.

I'm sure our legal experts here will say otherwise.
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 01:20 AM

Kentucky peeps are illiterate inbreeds

Your fancy legal theory means nothing to them!
Posted By: manbearpig

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 01:23 AM

Tell that to the judge!
Posted By: StuAzole

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 01:56 AM

Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Worth noting that Hulk Hogan won a $140,000,000 verdict against Gawker for defamation. This case seems stronger to me and the accused have a lot more to lose.


His lawsuit was for invasion of privacy.

I love when the erBB talks legal stuff.

Kid has a tough road ahead to win this.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 02:02 PM

The tell is that they are not going after the adults who were supposed to be watching the kids.

Why?

No $$$$$$.

Those adults, who were responsible for keeping the kids safe, are going to get so dragged through the shit by the Wapo lawyers.

I would not want to be them.

The dopey kid is fvck too.

I don't like to make predictions but I predict it will end badly for him.
Posted By: ifallalot

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Worth noting that Hulk Hogan won a $140,000,000 verdict against Gawker for defamation. This case seems stronger to me and the accused have a lot more to lose.


His lawsuit was for invasion of privacy.

I love when the erBB talks legal stuff.

Kid has a tough road ahead to win this.

But do you really think he's looking to win? Its probably such a huge number just so they settle for 10% of it and are still rolling in dough
Posted By: sizzld1

Re: Covington teenager sues WashPost for $250,000,000 - 02/21/19 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Worth noting that Hulk Hogan won a $140,000,000 verdict against Gawker for defamation. This case seems stronger to me and the accused have a lot more to lose.


His lawsuit was for invasion of privacy.

I love when the erBB talks legal stuff.

Kid has a tough road ahead to win this.

But do you really think he's looking to win? Its probably such a huge number just so they settle for 10% of it and are still rolling in dough


Any lawyer with half a brain sees that number and laughs -- and the WaPo isn't hiring Trump's crack-legal staff. It will have no effect on negotiations should there be any.
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