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Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative?

Posted By: Coat Hanger

Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 05:28 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...m=.675633a5e430


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Enemy of the people!
Posted By: bird.

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:04 PM

An opinion piece written by an executive assistant? You've got to be able to do better.
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:11 PM

The story isn't over yet. It just looks real bad so far.

As for the opinion piece about people coming to their conclusions prior to an arrest, I've already seen several of those. Some have taken this theme, and others have taken the opposing theme - that it was immoral to even critically consider the veracity of the victim's story in the first place.
Posted By: bird.

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:13 PM

You read weird stuff. Do you actively seek out the dumbest opinions possible?

Liberal media I was exposed to was saying this guy's story was fishy from the jump and were hesitant to make much of it.
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:16 PM

shrug I like to look at different viewpoints from different sources. One piece tends to lead to another, often from the opposing view.
Posted By: BillyOcean

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:17 PM

They hate America and Americans
Posted By: bird.

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:18 PM

Any opinion piece that actually argues "that it was immoral to even critically consider the veracity of the victim's story in the first place" was not worth your time.

It's good to consider opposing POVs and opinions, but not dumb ones.
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:32 PM

Do you consider every opinion piece you read or watch to be "not dumb"? I doubt that.

You can't know an opinion is dumb prior to seeing/hearing it. Now to be sure, I sometimes don't get very far into some of these articles or vids before deciding its something I've heard before, but sometimes a rationale or explanation crops up that makes some sense. Even if not in the direction the author intended.

Posted By: mundus

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
They hate America and Americans
Nothing is less American than worshipping a draft dodger/criminal.
Posted By: bird.

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Do you consider every opinion piece you read or watch to be "not dumb"? I doubt that.

You can't know an opinion is dumb prior to seeing/hearing it. Now to be sure, I sometimes don't get very far into some of these articles or vids before deciding its something I've heard before, but sometimes a rationale or explanation crops up that makes some sense. Even if not in the direction the author intended.



I have read several pro Trump opinion pieces. Touche.

Still, you often frame your opposition as if all Democrats are FecalFace. I think you'd be less likely to make that mistake if you considered fewer bad opinions.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:36 PM

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted By: bird.

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


^^^

To whatever extent VonCoat's original question is legitimate, this is the correct answer.
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: bird.
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Do you consider every opinion piece you read or watch to be "not dumb"? I doubt that.

You can't know an opinion is dumb prior to seeing/hearing it. Now to be sure, I sometimes don't get very far into some of these articles or vids before deciding its something I've heard before, but sometimes a rationale or explanation crops up that makes some sense. Even if not in the direction the author intended.



I have read several pro Trump opinion pieces. Touche.

Still, you often frame your opposition as if all Democrats are FecalFace. I think you'd be less likely to make that mistake if you considered fewer bad opinions.


Well, whenever a comment is made that "nobody is saying that" it's only sometimes true. Meanwhile, we did have a shtload of people from sides of the controversy who prematurely committed to their opinions.
Posted By: bird.

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Meanwhile, we did have a shtload of people from sides of the controversy who prematurely committed to their opinions.


And that was dumb of them to do. I stayed away from those threads. Did you?
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:54 PM

You're in one now. Isn't that why (and how) you criticized the credibility of the author of the piece in the OP?
Posted By: bird.

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:55 PM

Yes, but now we know for sure the story was bogus.
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 06:57 PM

Well, more sure than we were a week ago.
Posted By: ifallalot

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: bird.
Any opinion piece that actually argues "that it was immoral to even critically consider the veracity of the victim's story in the first place" was not worth your time.

It's good to consider opposing POVs and opinions, but not dumb ones.

Sorry bird, you keep poo-pooing what Casa, myself, and others say about the prevailing POV of Leftist ilk, yet the proof keeps coming. This is how people think. Its not from some obscure internet corner
Posted By: bird.

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: bird.
Any opinion piece that actually argues "that it was immoral to even critically consider the veracity of the victim's story in the first place" was not worth your time.

It's good to consider opposing POVs and opinions, but not dumb ones.

Sorry bird, you keep poo-pooing what Casa, myself, and others say about the prevailing POV of Leftist ilk, yet the proof keeps coming. This is how people think. Its not from some obscure internet corner


I disagree that this is as big a deal as you make it out to be. Perhaps if the Democratic party goes full Trump and selects an incompetent buffoon and pusher of stupid opinions as its standard bearer I will come around to your line of thinking on this.
Posted By: StuAzole

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 07:24 PM

This issue is trippy.

The only place I read about it was here.

A guy made up a story and subsequently got busted for it.

He's clearly unwell (and apparently out of work).

I know I should be OUTRAGED, but I don't know why.
Posted By: Norm'

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 07:25 PM

Rooting?
Posted By: sizzld1

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/18/19 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: bird.
Any opinion piece that actually argues "that it was immoral to even critically consider the veracity of the victim's story in the first place" was not worth your time.

It's good to consider opposing POVs and opinions, but not dumb ones.

Sorry bird, you keep poo-pooing what Casa, myself, and others say about the prevailing POV of Leftist ilk, yet the proof keeps coming. This is how people think. Its not from some obscure internet corner


Frvcvs is the only example I can think of. Literally everyone else in here was quick to note that this story seemed off. If not, where are all the Squidley/Von Hanger style threads with three sentence long titles about the "violent racist right" or whatever those morons spew on here constantly? From everything I've seen, the mainstream media also took a cautious approach to this story....unless your complaining that they reported on it at all.
Posted By: afoaf

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 02:37 AM

Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Originally Posted By: bird.
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Do you consider every opinion piece you read or watch to be "not dumb"? I doubt that.

You can't know an opinion is dumb prior to seeing/hearing it. Now to be sure, I sometimes don't get very far into some of these articles or vids before deciding its something I've heard before, but sometimes a rationale or explanation crops up that makes some sense. Even if not in the direction the author intended.



I have read several pro Trump opinion pieces. Touche.

Still, you often frame your opposition as if all Democrats are FecalFace. I think you'd be less likely to make that mistake if you considered fewer bad opinions.


Well, whenever a comment is made that "nobody is saying that" it's only sometimes true. Meanwhile, we did have a shtload of people from sides of the controversy who prematurely committed to their opinions.



we had shitloads, eh!?

beyond frvcvs....who?

should be easy if there were oodles and oodles of them
Posted By: CharmingSophisticate

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 02:45 AM

Originally Posted By: afoaf
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Originally Posted By: bird.
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Do you consider every opinion piece you read or watch to be "not dumb"? I doubt that.

You can't know an opinion is dumb prior to seeing/hearing it. Now to be sure, I sometimes don't get very far into some of these articles or vids before deciding its something I've heard before, but sometimes a rationale or explanation crops up that makes some sense. Even if not in the direction the author intended.



I have read several pro Trump opinion pieces. Touche.

Still, you often frame your opposition as if all Democrats are FecalFace. I think you'd be less likely to make that mistake if you considered fewer bad opinions.


Well, whenever a comment is made that "nobody is saying that" it's only sometimes true. Meanwhile, we did have a shtload of people from sides of the controversy who prematurely committed to their opinions.



we had shitloads, eh!?

beyond frvcvs....who?

should be easy if there were oodles and oodles of them
How many Shitloads = 1 Oodle?
Posted By: Uberkuque

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 02:51 AM

The media reports the news based on the info available at the time. As the information involves, so does the news. Thatís what happened here ó it was reported by Smollet, and the media reported it consistent w his allegations. When more info came to light that Smollet possibly orchestrated it, it was reported as such.

Thatís how news gathering and news reporting works. Any insinuation that it was deliberately mis-reported for political ends is just:

DUMB
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 03:27 AM

If we get a progressive president the retards on the far right are going to be all wackadooble too.
Posted By: CharmingSophisticate

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 03:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
If we get a progressive president the retards on the far right are going to be all wackadooble too.
We just had one, dingleberry.
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 03:40 AM

Originally Posted By: afoaf
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Originally Posted By: bird.
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Do you consider every opinion piece you read or watch to be "not dumb"? I doubt that.

You can't know an opinion is dumb prior to seeing/hearing it. Now to be sure, I sometimes don't get very far into some of these articles or vids before deciding its something I've heard before, but sometimes a rationale or explanation crops up that makes some sense. Even if not in the direction the author intended.



I have read several pro Trump opinion pieces. Touche.

Still, you often frame your opposition as if all Democrats are FecalFace. I think you'd be less likely to make that mistake if you considered fewer bad opinions.


Well, whenever a comment is made that "nobody is saying that" it's only sometimes true. Meanwhile, we did have a shtload of people from sides of the controversy who prematurely committed to their opinions.



we had shitloads, eh!?

beyond frvcvs....who?

should be easy if there were oodles and oodles of them
I wasn't referring only to the people on this thread.

I trust you saw how many politicians and theater kids and talking heads in the media who straight out committed to one side or the other on this story right from the outset?
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 04:26 AM

Originally Posted By: CharmingSophisticate
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
If we get a progressive president the retards on the far right are going to be all wackadooble too.
We just had one, dingleberry.


Exactly,

See bold
Posted By: CharmingSophisticate

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 04:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: CharmingSophisticate
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
If we get a progressive president the retards on the far right are going to be all wackadooble too.
We just had one, dingleberry.


Exactly,

See bold
I saw that the first time daddio, thus my response.

What I should have said the first time: You've lost this argument based on the facts of the case, coming back with ol' "everybody does it" crap is unbecoming, not to mention boring.

You're better than this, I can feel it.
Posted By: 1whoknows

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 04:56 AM

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
They hate America and Americans

I hate lies. Trump lies. MAGA is a lie. The wall is based on lies. Trump is a demagogue. I hate demagogues. MAGA is anti-American. I love America.
Posted By: GDaddy

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 05:32 AM

The people on the right who are spiking the ball right now should smarten up and exercise some restraint, because even though the coin toss on this one went their way it's just a matter of time before the real thing comes along again. Maybe by tomorrow.

This time the freak was the accuser, next time the freak might be the accused.

The lesson being that there's nothing wrong with letting such stories sit for a couple days before casting your vote.
Posted By: GromsDad

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 12:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
The media reports the news based on the info available at the time. As the information involves, so does the news. Thatís what happened here ó it was reported by Smollet, and the media reported it consistent w his allegations. When more info came to light that Smollet possibly orchestrated it, it was reported as such.

Thatís how news gathering and news reporting works. Any insinuation that it was deliberately mis-reported for political ends is just:

DUMB


That's not what happened here. Give me a break. This story checked off all of the media's checkboxes of oppression, racial division and MAGA hate. They desperately wanted this story to be true and they elevated it to a nation wide story because it so confirmed all of their bias.
Posted By: ifallalot

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 01:26 PM

Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
They hate America and Americans

I hate lies. Trump lies. MAGA is a lie. The wall is based on lies. Trump is a demagogue. I hate demagogues. MAGA is anti-American. I love America.
roflmao
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 02:17 PM

Originally Posted By: GDaddy
The people on the right who are spiking the ball right now should smarten up and exercise some restraint, because even though the coin toss on this one went their way it's just a matter of time before the real thing comes along again. Maybe by tomorrow.

This time the freak was the accuser, next time the freak might be the accused.

The lesson being that there's nothing wrong with letting such stories sit for a couple days before casting your vote.


I agree.

The problem is that tech is speeding everything up.

Speed kills.
Posted By: Uberkuque

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
The media reports the news based on the info available at the time. As the information involves, so does the news. Thatís what happened here ó it was reported by Smollet, and the media reported it consistent w his allegations. When more info came to light that Smollet possibly orchestrated it, it was reported as such.

Thatís how news gathering and news reporting works. Any insinuation that it was deliberately mis-reported for political ends is just:

DUMB


That's not what happened here. Give me a break. This story checked off all of the media's checkboxes of oppression, racial division and MAGA hate. They desperately wanted this story to be true and they elevated it to a nation wide story because it so confirmed all of their bias.


Objectively speaking, the story was, if true, one of nationwide interest. So the media ran it. End of story.

And when facts emerged showing the story was not true, they ran that, too -- and are still running it.

Your projected biases -- "checkboxes of oppression," and "desperately wanted the story to be true" -- are just that: projections. Period
Posted By: Uberkuque

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
They hate America and Americans


"Burn it down. Burn it all down!", cried the political arsonist
Posted By: manbearpig

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
The media reports the news based on the info available at the time. As the information involves, so does the news. Thatís what happened here ó it was reported by Smollet, and the media reported it consistent w his allegations. When more info came to light that Smollet possibly orchestrated it, it was reported as such.

Thatís how news gathering and news reporting works. Any insinuation that it was deliberately mis-reported for political ends is just:

DUMB


That's not what happened here. Give me a break. This story checked off all of the media's checkboxes of oppression, racial division and MAGA hate. They desperately wanted this story to be true and they elevated it to a nation wide story because it so confirmed all of their bias.


Objectively speaking, the story was, if true, one of nationwide interest. So the media ran it. End of story.

And when facts emerged showing the story was not true, they ran that, too -- and are still running it.

Your projected biases -- "checkboxes of oppression," and "desperately wanted the story to be true" -- are just that: projections. Period

Uberkuque is 100% right.
Posted By: Sharkbiscuit

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
They hate America and Americans

I hate lies. Trump lies. MAGA is a lie. The wall is based on lies. Trump is a demagogue. I hate demagogues. MAGA is anti-American. I love America.


Do you have the best America? Is what everybody is saying? Is everybody talking about it?
Posted By: afoaf

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 04:25 PM

Quote:
Meanwhile, we did have a shtload...


I interpreted this as the collective Erbb "we"...a local "we", if you will.

I apologize for misreading your point.
Posted By: mundus

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 06:00 PM

When the left is wrong it is admitted and moved on from, right wing conspiracy idiocy never dies. Just another difference between left and right.
Posted By: GromsDad

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
The media reports the news based on the info available at the time. As the information involves, so does the news. Thatís what happened here ó it was reported by Smollet, and the media reported it consistent w his allegations. When more info came to light that Smollet possibly orchestrated it, it was reported as such.

Thatís how news gathering and news reporting works. Any insinuation that it was deliberately mis-reported for political ends is just:

DUMB


That's not what happened here. Give me a break. This story checked off all of the media's checkboxes of oppression, racial division and MAGA hate. They desperately wanted this story to be true and they elevated it to a nation wide story because it so confirmed all of their bias.


Objectively speaking, the story was, if true, one of nationwide interest. So the media ran it. End of story.

And when facts emerged showing the story was not true, they ran that, too -- and are still running it.

Your projected biases -- "checkboxes of oppression," and "desperately wanted the story to be true" -- are just that: projections. Period

Uberkuque is 100% right.



Itís amazing how willfully blind you guys are to left wing bias and propaganda.
Posted By: manbearpig

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 06:18 PM

You are a moron. Uberkuque's point has nothing to do with bias, its a simple fact.
Posted By: afoaf

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: GromsDad



Itís amazing how willfully blind you guys are to left wing bias and propaganda.


#gromsdad #irony
Posted By: rice

Re: Why Was A Free and Independent Media Rooting For a Hate Crime and Subsequent Narrative? - 02/19/19 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: GDaddy

I trust you saw how many politicians and theater kids and talking heads in the media who straight out committed to one side or the other on this story right from the outset?


I did not. roflmao Only read about this, here.
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