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How to raise an entitled young surfer???

Posted By: casa_mugrienta

How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 03:38 PM

Step 1:

I'm pretty sure this is the smallest overall #proformance_series board we have ever made. Coming in at 4'2" 15" 1.75" and a whopping 12.25 liters of volume, for #Kendall, via @reddog_surf in #newsmyrnabeach

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Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 04:09 PM

When do the stickers go on?
Posted By: emtee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 04:17 PM

ripping grom! don't even need to see pics of him surfing...yeah grom!
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 04:45 PM

Global citizen @winter_v is posted up in SC. He just picked up four new boards...not three. I, for one, am excited to see...exactly what he...pulls off...with these. 4'10" #SubDriver 4'11" #Driver 4'11" #PocketRocket x2 #proformance_series @artbyryder

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I'm excited too. smile

We're all excited.

Posted By: stu dog

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 04:55 PM

pretty sure it's for a girl if you read the comments shameonyou
https://www.instagram.com/kendallbird6/
Posted By: GWS

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Step 1:

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I do boards like these for Roberts. Huge pain in the ass. The machine (same machine MB uses) wasn't really designed to cut boards that small. Getting all your machine parts safely away from the blade of the your own machine is a no mistakes allowed kind of thing. I hate the grom boards.
Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
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I'm excited too. smile

We're all excited.



Digging those rail/outline treatments! rockin
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 05:16 PM

Roundtrip airfare to Indo + board fees: $1500







Money you scrimped and saved to go on the boat trip of your dreams: $4000










The horrible feeling you get when you pull up to the dock after thirty hours of travel and meet your surf buddies for the next two weeks


























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PRICELESS sick
Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 06:08 PM

Posted By: SurfFuerte

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 06:37 PM

what ever happened to slapping some cloth and glass on a broken longboard nose and then glassing some skegs on?
Posted By: manbearpig

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 07:05 PM

Crazy parents happened
Posted By: Racer1

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 08:06 PM

I don't know why the big brands waste money sponsoring groms. Most of them fizzle out. I'd have a rulle where I only make big offers on guys over 18 who are producing results or consistent content.
Posted By: PPK96754

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 08:10 PM

#snakeLondon

shaka
Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 08:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Racer1
I don't know why the big brands waste money sponsoring groms. Most of them fizzle out. I'd have a rulle where I only make big offers on guys over 18 who are producing results or consistent content.


I guess at a basic level it makes sense to sticker up the groms and drop some freebies because other kids will want to be like them. yeah?
Posted By: stu dog

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Racer1
I don't know why the big brands waste money sponsoring groms.


a 10-12 year old grom is about $3K+ for 3 years for the sponsor. get those kids posting on instagram and it's not a bad investment. the good money isn't going to come until they're about 15. still it's only five figures for the sponsor. not huge money for them. WAY cheaper sponsoring a bunch of groms than a CT guy. look at what Quiksilver did. cut all the adults and kept a grom team.
Posted By: _____

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 08:50 PM

Did you look him up before assuming he was raised to be the entitled little shithead that he is?

http://www.wavesforwater.org/project/surftoschool
Posted By: Drumsurf

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 08:52 PM

Hard to find a grom board off the rack. Maybe parents just stoked him/her out since the kid loves to surf and wanted a good board that wasn't oversized or a hand-me-down.
Posted By: ifallalot

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: _____
Did you look him up before assuming he was raised to be the entitled little shithead that he is?

http://www.wavesforwater.org/project/surftoschool

Pretty sure that's just a way to get free Ments trips
Posted By: sussle

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: stu dog
pretty sure it's for a girl if you read the comments shameonyou
https://www.instagram.com/kendallbird6/


ok, i'm sorry but following an 8 y/o girl is creepy, regardless of her abilities or pretty much anything else. and since the parents had to enable this, they are creepier still.
Posted By: _____

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 09:14 PM

I dunno, a 9 year old non home schooled kid who takes it on his own to raise over $40k for a non-prof that helps people in Indo seems deserving of a trip there.
Posted By: LiamUnknown

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 09:29 PM

kid looks like he actually rips pretty hard so I wouldn't really classify him in the london almida category... Makes sense to get a kid like that, who actually has a shot at going pro, to get on good boards early.

https://www.instagram.com/winter_v/

As far as the indo shit goes, I'm sure that's just some feel good bs he did with hurley like all their team riders do in indo. Spend the obligatory day dropping off water filters, etc.
Posted By: stu dog

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 09:39 PM

Originally Posted By: sussle
Originally Posted By: stu dog
pretty sure it's for a girl if you read the comments shameonyou
https://www.instagram.com/kendallbird6/


ok, i'm sorry but following an 8 y/o girl is creepy, regardless of her abilities or pretty much anything else. and since the parents had to enable this, they are creepier still.


that's not the point.
it's jumping to conclusions about a board being for a self entitled boy wannabe sponsored surfer. just took a quick reading of the comments on Biolos's post to figure out the board was for a 8 year old girl.
Posted By: Racer1

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 09:43 PM

Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: Racer1
I don't know why the big brands waste money sponsoring groms.


a 10-12 year old grom is about $3K+ for 3 years for the sponsor. get those kids posting on instagram and it's not a bad investment. the good money isn't going to come until they're about 15. still it's only five figures for the sponsor. not huge money for them. WAY cheaper sponsoring a bunch of groms than a CT guy. look at what Quiksilver did. cut all the adults and kept a grom team.


I've heard much higher numbers for under 15.

I can think of so many groms who I came up with that were hyped and invested in that don't even surf anymore. Why not just wait on the 10-12 year olds and grab the creme of the crop at 18? You're still going to pay market price but saved on sponsoring them from 10 on up.
Posted By: Racer1

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 09:44 PM

Also, I'm just jealous that this kid doesn't have to surf a Johnny Boy Gomes sunset gun as a daily driver at that age.






(Jokes aside: thank you very much Mom for hooking up the JBG gun)
Posted By: stu dog

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 09:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Racer1
Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: Racer1
I don't know why the big brands waste money sponsoring groms.


a 10-12 year old grom is about $3K+ for 3 years for the sponsor. get those kids posting on instagram and it's not a bad investment. the good money isn't going to come until they're about 15. still it's only five figures for the sponsor. not huge money for them. WAY cheaper sponsoring a bunch of groms than a CT guy. look at what Quiksilver did. cut all the adults and kept a grom team.


I've heard much higher numbers for under 15.

I can think of so many groms who I came up with that were hyped and invested in that don't even surf anymore. Why not just wait on the 10-12 year olds and grab the creme of the crop at 18? You're still going to pay market price but saved on sponsoring them from 10 on up.


typically it's 3 year deals. so by 18 that's where the kid is either going to get dropped or go onto the QS where the bigger investment comes into play. for the cost on under 18 groms sponsors are getting LOTS of eyeballs via instagram. and good amount are teenage girls that can drive traffic into their girls clothing line too.
Posted By: ifallalot

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 09:58 PM

Originally Posted By: _____
I dunno, a 9 year old non home schooled kid who takes it on his own to raise over $40k for a non-prof that helps people in Indo seems deserving of a trip there.

roflmao

You think he came up with that idea on his own?

PT Barnum called
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: sussle
Originally Posted By: stu dog
pretty sure it's for a girl if you read the comments shameonyou
https://www.instagram.com/kendallbird6/


ok, i'm sorry but following an 8 y/o girl is creepy, regardless of her abilities or pretty much anything else. and since the parents had to enable this, they are creepier still.


that's not the point.
it's jumping to conclusions about a board being for a self entitled boy wannabe sponsored surfer. just took a quick reading of the comments on Biolos's post to figure out the board was for a 8 year old girl.


Doesn't matter who it is, male or female.

It's just a symptom of why surfing has gone in the direction it has culturally.

These groms are constantly told how much they rip, people constantly giving them free sh*t, custom boards, parents blocking for them, paddle battling adults and grabbing set waves (often with an adult coming to their defense), etc.


There's something to be said for paddling around on some yellowed POS that's too big for you and being scared to come anywhere near the peak for fear of getting your head ripped off. Humility. These kids don't have it.


Posted By: stu dog

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: sussle
Originally Posted By: stu dog
pretty sure it's for a girl if you read the comments shameonyou
https://www.instagram.com/kendallbird6/


ok, i'm sorry but following an 8 y/o girl is creepy, regardless of her abilities or pretty much anything else. and since the parents had to enable this, they are creepier still.


that's not the point.
it's jumping to conclusions about a board being for a self entitled boy wannabe sponsored surfer. just took a quick reading of the comments on Biolos's post to figure out the board was for a 8 year old girl.


Doesn't matter who it is, male or female.

It's just a symptom of why surfing has gone in the direction it has culturally.

These groms are constantly told how much they rip, people constantly giving them free sh*t, custom boards parents blocking for them, paddle battling adults and grabbing set waves (often with an adult coming to their defense), etc.


There's something to be said for paddling around on some yellowed POS that's too big for you and being scared to come anywhere near the peak for fear of getting your head ripped off.




still jumping to conclusions. How do you know it's not a board the little girl saved up $'s by herself. could be a b-day gift from her parents. or if she even has sponsorship aspirations.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: sussle
Originally Posted By: stu dog
pretty sure it's for a girl if you read the comments shameonyou
https://www.instagram.com/kendallbird6/


ok, i'm sorry but following an 8 y/o girl is creepy, regardless of her abilities or pretty much anything else. and since the parents had to enable this, they are creepier still.


that's not the point.
it's jumping to conclusions about a board being for a self entitled boy wannabe sponsored surfer. just took a quick reading of the comments on Biolos's post to figure out the board was for a 8 year old girl.


Doesn't matter who it is, male or female.

It's just a symptom of why surfing has gone in the direction it has culturally.

These groms are constantly told how much they rip, people constantly giving them free sh*t, custom boards parents blocking for them, paddle battling adults and grabbing set waves (often with an adult coming to their defense), etc.


There's something to be said for paddling around on some yellowed POS that's too big for you and being scared to come anywhere near the peak for fear of getting your head ripped off.




still jumping to conclusions. How do you know it's not a board the little girl saved up $'s by herself. could be a b-day gift from her parents. or if she even has sponsorship aspirations.


Doesn't matter.

Kid can't even paddle into waves on her own.

"Or if she even has sponsorship aspirations"

roflmao

C'mon man, who are you kidding?

Her videos are posted all over youtube for a reason.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: stu dog
for the cost on under 18 groms sponsors are getting LOTS of eyeballs via instagram. and good amount are teenage girls that can drive traffic into their girls clothing line too.


Fertile ground for pervs and pedos.

Parents are very willing too.
Posted By: rice

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 10:30 PM

Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: sussle
Originally Posted By: stu dog
pretty sure it's for a girl if you read the comments shameonyou
https://www.instagram.com/kendallbird6/


ok, i'm sorry but following an 8 y/o girl is creepy, regardless of her abilities or pretty much anything else. and since the parents had to enable this, they are creepier still.


that's not the point.
it's jumping to conclusions about a board being for a self entitled boy wannabe sponsored surfer. just took a quick reading of the comments on Biolos's post to figure out the board was for a 8 year old girl.


Doesn't matter who it is, male or female.

It's just a symptom of why surfing has gone in the direction it has culturally.

These groms are constantly told how much they rip, people constantly giving them free sh*t, custom boards parents blocking for them, paddle battling adults and grabbing set waves (often with an adult coming to their defense), etc.


There's something to be said for paddling around on some yellowed POS that's too big for you and being scared to come anywhere near the peak for fear of getting your head ripped off.




still jumping to conclusions.


But, outrage!
Posted By: SlicedFeet

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 11:33 PM

You're whacked in the head Casa. What, are you pissed its not a Firewire?

That thing is rad.

Soccer - $1500 per season for competitive. Not including tournaments, hotels, coach fees and wasted weekends.

Lacross- $400 a semester not including equipment. That's rec.

Tennis - $250 a week during summer for half day.

BMX - $1200 bikes

Ballet - more than college

Add your kids interests here $$$$$$$$

Custom grom board $500? - Stoked. Wetsuit $200. Wax...free.

Sponsoring those kids is pure genius for the companies. Pennies on the dollar. Who cares if it sticks or not. See what sticks against the wall. Or what can hang on the powerlines in front of grade and middle schools. Diamonds.

Win win.
Posted By: GWS

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/10/17 11:53 PM

As someone who has been closely involved with making boards for wonder groms, imho, it ain't worth it. I could write a few pages on this subject. Everyone hopes for the TC/JJF thing. Most of the time that's not going to happen. You sponser the kid, coach them, deal with their insecurities, their diva fits, their parents (who want to blame wonder boy's every loss on his surfboard) on and on. They're high maintenance. Worse than top 44 guys in some cases. And then when you get on through the amateurs at the top and what happens? ConglomoAcme surfboards sends surf hero Smelly Baiter in with a quiver of free surfboards and a speech something along the lines of "hey kid, you could be a contender. But I've noticed that even though you are winning, your surfboards look like they are holding you back a little. Try these boards. Blah blah blah, play to their insecurities and their star struck brain dead little psyche, and it's done.

Had one kid, that is now a top 44 surfer turn in his old quiver when Conglomo/Acme signed him and all the boards he had with glass-ons were returned with the fins removed so the boards could be easily scanned. Blatant. You put in years of effort, tune the boards relentlessly, coach them, schmooze their parents, get them to the point where they are right there and off they go. You're the farm team. You do all the really hard work, spend crap loads of time and money and it means nothing.

The lifestyle these rich kids have is amazing. I'm always dealing with surfboard emergencies because wonder boy is flying here, going there, boat trip here, on and on.

Whatever. Once the kid gets an agent, there is a set course. The vast majority of them are so NOT worth the effort imho.

Real life is a whole lot different from some of the fantasies I'm reading in here.

Posted By: J_D_J

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: GWS
As someone who has been closely involved with making boards for wonder groms, imho, it ain't worth it. I could write a few pages on this subject. Everyone hopes for the TC/JJF thing. Most of the time that's not going to happen. You sponser the kid, coach them, deal with their insecurities, their diva fits, their parents (who want to blame wonder boy's every loss on his surfboard) on and on. They're high maintenance. Worse than top 44 guys in some cases. And then when you get on through the amateurs at the top and what happens? ConglomoAcme surfboards sends surf hero Smelly Baiter in with a quiver of free surfboards and a speech something along the lines of "hey kid, you could be a contender. But I've noticed that even though you are winning, your surfboards look like they are holding you back a little. Try these boards. Blah blah blah, play to their insecurities and their star struck brain dead little psyche, and it's done.

Had one kid, that is now a top 44 surfer turn in his old quiver when Conglomo/Acme signed him and all the boards he had with glass-ons were returned with the fins removed so the boards could be easily scanned. Blatant. You put in years of effort, tune the boards relentlessly, coach them, schmooze their parents, get them to the point where they are right there and off they go. You're the farm team. You do all the really hard work, spend crap loads of time and money and it means nothing.

The lifestyle these rich kids have is amazing. I'm always dealing with surfboard emergencies because wonder boy is flying here, going there, boat trip here, on and on.

Whatever. Once the kid gets an agent, there is a set course. The vast majority of them are so NOT worth the effort imho.

Real life is a whole lot different from some of the fantasies I'm reading in here.



GWS, bringing his A game.

What happens to little Jane or Johnny when they don't make the CT, the sponsorships dry up and they have nothing to fall back on but their South OC homeschooling? Oh yeah, rich parents. That and being a "brand ambassador/distributor" for weed maps.
Posted By: 000

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 12:32 AM

nice of conor to give the boards back at all
Posted By: SlicedFeet

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 12:50 AM

Originally Posted By: 000
nice of conor to give the boards back at all


Connor found the Dead so he's good to go. Bigger influence than Gerlach ever could be going forward.

BTW, unless your kid can code or has mad math skills to put them on par with the average Indian or Chinese kid, they are doomed in future America.

Have you deposited bitcoins in your kids account yet?
Posted By: GWS

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 12:52 AM

What I wrote was a composite of several.

Dillon I liked. He was always polite, grateful, interested and undeniably talented. Really nice young man as far as I could tell. I have nothing bad to say about him at all.

I don't think he is hungry enough to be a serious contender, but that's just my opinion. Imho you either have to really, really, really HATE losing or you need to be reaponsible for getting mom out of that hovel in the favella

For a lot of these kids, life is easy and privlaged and their futures are financially secure. Pro surfing is something that's cool and fun. Imho, it takes a little more than that to get to the top.

Other than working with Malcolm on a couple of Connor's early CI Bonzers, I've never had anything to do with him.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 01:37 AM

Originally Posted By: J_D_J
Originally Posted By: GWS
As someone who has been closely involved with making boards for wonder groms, imho, it ain't worth it. I could write a few pages on this subject. Everyone hopes for the TC/JJF thing. Most of the time that's not going to happen. You sponser the kid, coach them, deal with their insecurities, their diva fits, their parents (who want to blame wonder boy's every loss on his surfboard) on and on. They're high maintenance. Worse than top 44 guys in some cases. And then when you get on through the amateurs at the top and what happens? ConglomoAcme surfboards sends surf hero Smelly Baiter in with a quiver of free surfboards and a speech something along the lines of "hey kid, you could be a contender. But I've noticed that even though you are winning, your surfboards look like they are holding you back a little. Try these boards. Blah blah blah, play to their insecurities and their star struck brain dead little psyche, and it's done.

Had one kid, that is now a top 44 surfer turn in his old quiver when Conglomo/Acme signed him and all the boards he had with glass-ons were returned with the fins removed so the boards could be easily scanned. Blatant. You put in years of effort, tune the boards relentlessly, coach them, schmooze their parents, get them to the point where they are right there and off they go. You're the farm team. You do all the really hard work, spend crap loads of time and money and it means nothing.

The lifestyle these rich kids have is amazing. I'm always dealing with surfboard emergencies because wonder boy is flying here, going there, boat trip here, on and on.

Whatever. Once the kid gets an agent, there is a set course. The vast majority of them are so NOT worth the effort imho.

Real life is a whole lot different from some of the fantasies I'm reading in here.



GWS, bringing his A game.

What happens to little Jane or Johnny when they don't make the CT, the sponsorships dry up and they have nothing to fall back on but their South OC homeschooling? Oh yeah, rich parents. That and being a "brand ambassador/distributor" for weed maps.



What both of you said.

The rich kid thing is a big factor here IMO - didn't really exist when I was a grom. If you had money you hid it or you got hassled. I can remember one crew getting dropped off at the beach in a Benz - immediate blacklisting. Today so many of these kids have a silver spoon in their mouth and completely delusional parents.

They're told they rip and they're running through boards like Kelly Slater, going to Indo every summer, a few other trips mixed in throughout the year...in their mind they're basically a pro surfer compared everyone else in the lineup with normal jobs, going to normal school, hole in their wetsuit, riding the same equipment for a year or 3 straight.

Posted By: Racer1

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 01:55 AM

It's Kanoa and Arrambede, Roberts said it in an interview - so I'm not being a narc.

But what GWS is saying is what I meant, a lot of time and effort is put into these kids. It's not pennies on the dollar, I've heard of NS groms under the age of 15 making $30K a year. Plus coaching from the team managers (which is included in their salaries, but is still time). Are these kids moving $60K in product? (To break even on that marketing spend).

I'm just saying, jump in the negotiations at 18. Hire kid models for your kids clothing campaigns / ads for true pennies on the dollar. Save your money and outbid the market at 18 or 20.
Posted By: GWS

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 02:07 AM

Among others.

At this point I should put forth the caveat re the opinions I have expressed here. I am solely responsible for those opinions.
Posted By: Peter1

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 03:01 AM

This attitude is hardly limited to surfing. At least it's a sport you can do your whole life, by yourself, with minimal equipment investment. Same with skating. So I don't really have a problem with pre-teen/teen surf phenoms being sponsored. If I had had any talent whatsover I'd have been over the moon to get a couple hundy a week plus free boards.

I have some friends whose son is big into lacrosse. By 18, he's either going to win a scholarship to some mid-level DII school or bag the game completely.
Posted By: MJOJunkie

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 03:21 AM

Originally Posted By: GWS
Among others.

At this point I should put forth the caveat re the opinions I have expressed here. I am solely responsible for those opinions.


Shiet sharky your posts here are incredible. At least in this thread (j/k poke ).

Truly.

An athlete has almost no chance to succeed on a higher or professional level when there is only sponsorship lavished upon them.

Hunger games are real when it comes to succeeding at athleticism and professional sports and business I might add (well mostly ...obvious)

I've got friends whom I've met thru my wife that are fabulously wealthy. You would never know it by seeing how they operate. 6 kids. Modest home.
I know the reality and have had talks with him. Amazingly humble, well connected and very highly educated dude. Give me the time of day if I called him right now.

Told me the other day the last thing he wanted was to have his kids think they were taken care of without working their asses off.

5 of 6 are well educated and successful in their own right.

The other is still in high school.

Dude gave me hope that all the thing s I truly believe in are worthy.

TMI -Out~! cookin
Posted By: GromsDad

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 03:26 AM

I think more local shops should sponsor the young local talent especially the kids who rip and also have a good attitude in and out of the water. Even if its just good discounts in exchange for stickering up their boards. I do think that is a good investment for a local shop as the other little groms will want to get their gear from the shop where the kids that rip do.
Posted By: ghostshaper

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By: GWS
What I wrote was a composite of several.

Dillon I liked. He was always polite, grateful, interested and undeniably talented. Really nice young man as far as I could tell. I have nothing bad to say about him at all.

I don't think he is hungry enough to be a serious contender, but that's just my opinion. Imho you either have to really, really, really HATE losing or you need to be reaponsible for getting mom out of that hovel in the favella

For a lot of these kids, life is easy and privlaged and their futures are financially secure. Pro surfing is something that's cool and fun. Imho, it takes a little more than that to get to the top.

Other than working with Malcolm on a couple of Connor's early CI Bonzers, I've never had anything to do with him.


There is the occasional kid that values relationships and turns into a TC/JJF for his/her shaper. The kids that CI took were never going to become a TC/JJF, anyway.

There is also the intrinsic value of working with kids to help them grow/learn. This will always be there regardless of where they end up when they're older.

Will Kelly steal riders for FW now?



Posted By: hammies

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 05:11 AM

How to raise an entitled young surfer???

1. Have lots of money.
2. Organize your life so it revolves around their surfing.
3. Indoctrinate them to have "going pro" as their life's goal.
4. Blow off high school, and forget about college.
5. Lavish them with praise, trips, boards, and anything else that feeds their teenage ego.
6. When they hit 25, wonder why their lives suck.
Posted By: HarryLopez

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 05:48 AM

3 question marks of disgust!
Posted By: SlicedFeet

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:38 AM

This thread trips me out.

1) I guess we really care about pro surfing

2) Even grom boards aren't handshaped anymore

3) Rich American = soft American

4) We have developed a formula that correlates each age group to certain sponsor payoff

5) Sponsors rock

What we really need to talk about is ....if your homeschooling your kid, your kids a dumb ass already, might as well give them a surfboard.

But what we reallly need to talk about is......If your bent out of shape about groms coming across as entitled...maybe you are a KOOK and they sense it immediately in the line-up. That Kook scent is like bugers on a wall to them.

wave2
Posted By: GromsDad

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 10:25 AM

A lot of this thread sounds like jealousy of young rippers. Would be interesting to see a current surf shot of each of the posters complaining about the young rippers. Bet half of them don't ride a board less than 7'6 and 22.5" and probably struggle at that.
Posted By: test_article

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 12:19 PM

Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: GromsDad
A lot of this thread sounds like jealousy of young rippers. Would be interesting to see a current surf shot of each of the posters complaining about the young rippers. Bet half of them don't ride a board less than 7'6 and 22.5" and probably struggle at that.


Yeah because we all know that traveling with a photographer is part of surfing right?
The look-at-me social media life support and clicks is where it's at yeah?
Clicks baby...
Posted By: SlicedFeet

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee


Yeah because we all know that traveling with a photographer is part of surfing right?
The look-at-me social media life support and clicks is where it's at yeah?
Clicks baby...


This is the most perplexing paradigm shift we have to grapple with. Tech discovered our vanity...discovered a way to make billions off it, while feeding the content producers with pennis on their dollar.

This is such a trippy life.

Let Groms Reign...and smoking Russian Insta hotties too.
Posted By: SeaRider

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 04:30 PM

Great topic. I think there is a lot of entitlement going on. Not the fault of the kids, as the parents usually shepherd them into this position.
Posted By: GWS

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 04:43 PM

Originally Posted By: SlicedFeet


2) Even grom boards aren't handshaped anymore



Trust me, NOBODY wants to hand shape a 4'3". It's like trying to shape a key fob. The scale of the things is just awkward as hell and running a planer on something like that is something to be avoided. I hate cutting them. I just did a couple (after a few days of nagging and begging). I have to worry about both nose and tail cut offs getting into my hold-down/machine parts. I have to make sure the wide point of the board is as close as possible to my level bar so I don't machine my level bar narrower. (Due to widths in the 15" vicinity) When I have to cut a few of them, I lock my door so I don't anybody yammering in my ear as I am setting them up. Bitch bitch bitch. roflmao

My usual request to the shaper is to give the kid a sandwich on me with the new board. Grow you little bastards. EAT!!

Posted By: ElOgro

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 04:50 PM

Originally Posted By: SlicedFeet
Originally Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee


Yeah because we all know that traveling with a photographer is part of surfing right?
The look-at-me social media life support and clicks is where it's at yeah?
Clicks baby...


This is the most perplexing paradigm shift we have to grapple with. Tech discovered our vanity...discovered a way to make billions off it, while feeding the content producers with pennis on their dollar.

This is such a trippy life.

Let Groms Reign...and smoking Russian Insta hotties too.


Virtual self validation.

Smoking Russian Insta Hotties is a good band name.
Posted By: Boneroni

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 04:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Racer1
Also, I'm just jealous that this kid doesn't have to surf a Johnny Boy Gomes sunset gun as a daily driver at that age.


(Jokes aside: thank you very much Mom for hooking up the JBG gun)


roflmao applause2

lol, my 13 y/o self surfing a 7'2" pin tail single fin at Jalama can identify with that sentiment
Posted By: J_D_J

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 05:37 PM

For the most part,everyone chiming in on this thread loves groms, has some of their own, and hope to pass on the surfing stoke and spirit to the next generation. It's not about being bitter when seeing young kids ripping. That stokes everyone out.

But you'd have to completely oblivious not o notice the impact that Instagram, homeschooling, and California's increasing ridiculous real estate prices (that forces away from the water all but the super rich) are having on kids surfing. The rippers are the most susceptible because of their talent.
Posted By: silentbutdeadly

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By: J_D_J
For the most part,everyone chiming in on this thread loves groms, has some of their own, and hope to pass on the surfing stoke and spirit to the next generation. It's not about being bitter when seeing young kids ripping. That stokes everyone out.

But you'd have to completely oblivious not o notice the impact that Instagram, homeschooling, and California's increasing ridiculous real estate prices (that forces away from the water all but the super rich) are having on kids surfing. The rippers are the most susceptible because of their talent.


yup. bingo
Posted By: hal9000

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: SurfFuerte
what ever happened to slapping some cloth and glass on a broken longboard nose and then glassing some skegs on?


this
Posted By: hal9000

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: sussle
Originally Posted By: stu dog
pretty sure it's for a girl if you read the comments shameonyou
https://www.instagram.com/kendallbird6/


ok, i'm sorry but following an 8 y/o girl is creepy, regardless of her abilities or pretty much anything else. and since the parents had to enable this, they are creepier still.


that's not the point.
it's jumping to conclusions about a board being for a self entitled boy wannabe sponsored surfer. just took a quick reading of the comments on Biolos's post to figure out the board was for a 8 year old girl.


Doesn't matter who it is, male or female.

It's just a symptom of why surfing has gone in the direction it has culturally.

These groms are constantly told how much they rip, people constantly giving them free sh*t, custom boards, parents blocking for them, paddle battling adults and grabbing set waves (often with an adult coming to their defense), etc.


There's something to be said for paddling around on some yellowed POS that's too big for you and being scared to come anywhere near the peak for fear of getting your head ripped off. Humility. These kids don't have it.




+1million to everything in this post. surfing is over and has been for the better part of 20 years. maybe even 30.
Posted By: hal9000

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: hammies
How to raise an entitled young surfer???

1. Have lots of money.
2. Organize your life so it revolves around their surfing.
3. Indoctrinate them to have "going pro" as their life's goal.
4. Blow off high school, and forget about college.
5. Lavish them with praise, trips, boards, and anything else that feeds their teenage ego.
6. When they hit 25, wonder why their lives suck.


I wish I could name names......oh, I wish.
Posted By: SlicedFeet

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: J_D_J
For the most part,everyone chiming in on this thread loves groms, has some of their own, and hope to pass on the surfing stoke and spirit to the next generation. It's not about being bitter when seeing young kids ripping. That stokes everyone out.

But you'd have to completely oblivious not o notice the impact that Instagram, homeschooling, and California's increasing ridiculous real estate prices (that forces away from the water all but the super rich) are having on kids surfing. The rippers are the most susceptible because of their talent.


I get it, but big whoop. The kids today progress so much faster than the generations before but this will always be a constant regardless of the medium.

The point that I've failed to make is not to lump the 99% of the groms in with the 1% that fit the above description.

I think everyone is bitter that regualtion is completely gone due to all of us being documented and on a world stage.

GWS is probably the only one with a right to bitch tho. monkey
Posted By: SlicedFeet

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:01 PM

Serbians seemed unfazed dealing with Entitled Groms tho laugh
Posted By: silentbutdeadly

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:05 PM

My observation that frustrates me is that ripper dad paddles out with nssa son/daughter and etiquette is thrown out the window. It's almost like we should feel privileged to be in the water with them.
Posted By: GWS

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:12 PM

Forget about me. The shapers who have to interact with the kids, their parents, their surf coach and their agent? OMG. All of them want to tell the shaper what the kid needs re surfboards (in spite of the fact that they have never made one in their life). And if someone wants to get into the head of your project grom? All you have to do is go by the kid and say something along the lines of, "That board looks like it's bogging a little for you kid." Holy crap. Crisis. Full melt down. If the kid wins a contest, he's a hero ripper. If he loses a heat, it's the surfboard's fault.

I get the fall-out as well, but its once removed and coming from the shaper. My role is primarily spectator and then I help the shaper get through it. The whole thing just cracks me up a little.

And don't get me wrong, some of these kids are way cool. And if they aren't, they are a product of their environment. It's just so different. I surfed from the age of five. I started riding for people a few years later. As a little kid, I had to keep my head down, surf the inside, take leftovers, even when I was a better surfer than the big guys. There was no hesitation back then re dunking or slapping a kid. And I am so NOT advocating that. Things were just vastly different. The only thing constant is change.

The boards for these kids are kind of a trip. When they are super little, they are primarily turning off their fins and pivoting. At some point you have to move them into rail turns or they are never going to go anywhere. On top of that, they are growing and getting stronger. You have to get them to realize that fact as you move them to larger equipment. Fear of foam looms large for some of them. They want to hang onto their board that was made for them 10 pounds ago even though they have outgrown it. You have to convince that even though the newer board feels stiffer at first, this is a transition they need to make. There's a lot to it, kind of. The shaper is part therapist, part mentor, part coach, on and on. It's got to be tough to get a kid through to where he is looking like the next "thing" and then see him snatched up after you did all the hard stuff, invested all that time, money and effort into the kid.



Posted By: J_D_J

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: GWS
their agent?


roflmao

Agent for 12 year old surfing grom. Lol.
Posted By: stu dog

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: J_D_J
Originally Posted By: GWS
their agent?


roflmao

Agent for 12 year old surfing grom. Lol.


no.
agent doesn't get involved that young. more like 15. my nephew's agent has no involvement with boards choices. but they help on setting up investment accounts, like a 401K automatic deduction and put the money into funds.
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:21 PM

It's like having an agent for a circus clown.



Surfing is the best thing.

But pro surfing is a joke.
Posted By: J_D_J

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:22 PM

How long before some of these agents and coaches start getting busted as sex offenders, like in every other child-centric sport?
Posted By: stu dog

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:24 PM

Originally Posted By: J_D_J
How long before some of these agents and coaches start getting busted as sex offenders, like in every other child-centric sport?


they're at the bigger talent agencies. hardly any in person action with the kid. probably a way for junior agents to start out, learn the business, and then move up the firm.
Posted By: ElOgro

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: J_D_J
How long before some of these agents and coaches start getting busted as sex offenders, like in every other child-centric sport?


they're at the bigger talent agencies. hardly any in person action with the kid. probably a way for junior agents to start out, learn the business, and then move up the firm.


You say all this like it's a good thing. It's not.
Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: GWS
..." All you have to do is go by the kid and say something along the lines of, "That board looks like it's bogging a little for you kid." Holy crap. Crisis. Full melt down."...


roflmao
Posted By: littlewave

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: J_D_J
Originally Posted By: GWS
their agent?


roflmao

Agent for 12 year old surfing grom. Lol.


no.
agent doesn't get involved that young. more like 15. my nephew's agent has no involvement with boards choices. but they help on setting up investment accounts, like a 401K automatic deduction and put the money into funds.

barf
Posted By: GromsDad

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: GWS
Originally Posted By: SlicedFeet


2) Even grom boards aren't handshaped anymore



Trust me, NOBODY wants to hand shape a 4'3". It's like trying to shape a key fob. The scale of the things is just awkward as hell and running a planer on something like that is something to be avoided. I hate cutting them. I just did a couple (after a few days of nagging and begging). I have to worry about both nose and tail cut offs getting into my hold-down/machine parts. I have to make sure the wide point of the board is as close as possible to my level bar so I don't machine my level bar narrower. (Due to widths in the 15" vicinity) When I have to cut a few of them, I lock my door so I don't anybody yammering in my ear as I am setting them up. Bitch bitch bitch. roflmao

My usual request to the shaper is to give the kid a sandwich on me with the new board. Grow you little bastards. EAT!!



So fun trying to get the rocker right on a board under 5'6.
Posted By: manbearpig

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:19 PM

I was stocking the drinks and sweeping the floors of a local deli at age 12. Boy did I blow it.
Posted By: rts265

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:23 PM

same stuff happened in bjj

all these little shit blue belts posting in instagram, have their 'sponsor' in their profile

parents who don't know f about it getting way too involved

the worst for me is that it ruined the shaka for me - feel like a clown throwing it after the abuses I saw
Posted By: silentbutdeadly

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:28 PM

Kids sports are a joke these days. Pay for opportunity at some exclusivity.

I guess people even pay folks to manage their scholastics as well so they will more marketable for getting into schools etc.
Posted By: Racer1

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:39 PM

If a 15 year old is hitting max annual deposits into a 401K, then I am legitimately jealous and bitter.
Posted By: stu dog

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Racer1
If a 15 year old is hitting max annual deposits into a 401K, then I am legitimately jealous and bitter.



it's not an actual 401K, but similar concept of automatic deduction savings. the agent takes out from the kids check a portion for their fee%, taxes, and a savings amount.
Posted By: 000

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:49 PM

home school literally makes em too cool for school
Posted By: ElOgro

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By: manbearpig
I was stocking the drinks and sweeping the floors of a local deli at age 12. Boy did I blow it.


Mowing lawns and throwing newspapers. Retired at 40 on my own money. How many of these kids will ever live off their own money after their short lived career as juvenile insta celebrities?
Posted By: Autoprax

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: ElOgro
Originally Posted By: manbearpig
I was stocking the drinks and sweeping the floors of a local deli at age 12. Boy did I blow it.


Mowing lawns and throwing newspapers. Retired at 40 on my own money. How many of these kids will ever live off their own money after their short lived career as juvenile insta celebrities?


They'll be a few.

I think that is something that is in the genes and its evenly distributed through a population.

Look at George Greenough.

He should have been a spoiled trust funder.

Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/11/17 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Racer1
If a 15 year old is hitting max annual deposits into a 401K, then I am legitimately jealous and bitter.



There are some financial planning methodologies I have read that if a kid working through the summers can max their 401K (usually done with a parent or family matching funds) for the years from 15-18 (4 consecutive years) they are actually set for retirement if they do nothing else their entire lives. So they never do another legitimate job ever and contribute not one cent into retirement. Of course it goes without saying that they cannot ever take the money out until they are 60, or 65; I forget what the target age was but think about that man.
Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/12/17 01:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee
Originally Posted By: GWS
..." All you have to do is go by the kid and say something along the lines of, "That board looks like it's bogging a little for you kid." Holy crap. Crisis. Full melt down."...


roflmao


Great tip. Much appreciated. wave2
Posted By: ElOgro

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/12/17 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee
Originally Posted By: Racer1
If a 15 year old is hitting max annual deposits into a 401K, then I am legitimately jealous and bitter.



There are some financial planning methodologies I have read that if a kid working through the summers can max their 401K (usually done with a parent or family matching funds) for the years from 15-18 (4 consecutive years) they are actually set for retirement if they do nothing else their entire lives. So they never do another legitimate job ever and contribute not one cent into retirement. Of course it goes without saying that they cannot ever take the money out until they are 60, or 65; I forget what the target age was but think about that man.



You can withdraw funds from a 401k before you hit the golden age but you better be aware of the tax and penalty implications.

Living in a homeless camp and eating out of a dumpster for 40 years ain't my idea of a good time.
Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee

Re: How to raise an entitled young surfer??? - 08/12/17 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: ElOgro
Originally Posted By: Mr_Stagger_Lee
Originally Posted By: Racer1
If a 15 year old is hitting max annual deposits into a 401K, then I am legitimately jealous and bitter.



There are some financial planning methodologies I have read that if a kid working through the summers can max their 401K (usually done with a parent or family matching funds) for the years from 15-18 (4 consecutive years) they are actually set for retirement if they do nothing else their entire lives. So they never do another legitimate job ever and contribute not one cent into retirement. Of course it goes without saying that they cannot ever take the money out until they are 60, or 65; I forget what the target age was but think about that man.



You can withdraw funds from a 401k before you hit the golden age but you better be aware of the tax and penalty implications.

Living in a homeless camp and eating out of a dumpster for 40 years ain't my idea of a good time.


More of a tip for well off family I guess because I don't know any regular kids who would want to work hard and not have the money! Still the power of savings early really blew me away when I first heard it. As I get closer to retirement age the thought of a 2K per month check in the mailbox every month sounds really good. I worked my butt off in high school but I spent every cent! foreheadslap
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