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#597065 - 03/09/05 05:47 AM post ear drilling/chiselling questions
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jayzus kee-rist,
i got my ear canals cleared out flap and chisel like last wednesday and have been relatively OK. But now: I'm going crazy right now in pain and discomfort. anybody out there who has had it done have any good news? when does the feeling return to your ear lobes? when does hearing return? how long did the doc leave the antibacterial packing stuffed deep in YOUR ears? did they throb this much? could you check your pulse rate easily just by counting throbs? some words of advice other than chewing my percocet and seriously pondering breaking my anti-alcohol stance for a bottle of cheap scotch to dull the throbbibg pain puncutuated by occasional sharp stabbing pain... farqing eh

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#597066 - 03/09/05 09:31 AM Re: post ear drilling/chiselling questions [Re: Shank123]
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see if you can get your doc to hook you up with some mad pain killers.
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#597067 - 03/10/05 08:16 AM Re: post ear drilling/chiselling questions [Re: serf]
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Shank, your specialist should answer all those questions. In the long run we should make you the poster child for "Surfers MUST wear earplugs" campaign. Sorry mate.
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#597068 - 03/11/05 05:06 PM Re: post ear drilling/chiselling questions [Re: SurfDoc]
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It really hurt when he took out the packing, after that it kind of calmed down. At least one month for the hearing to come back.

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#597069 - 03/13/05 01:37 PM Re: post ear drilling/chiselling questions [Re: KINNAKEET]
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Hurt like hell the day of surgery. Decreased significantly the second day and I even went down to the beach and hung out in the lot. Packing stayed in for one week. Sutures for two. Surfing at 3 weeks post-op with doctors permission. Now he wants to do the other ear. Been putting it off for 3 years now. Went to a Navy ENT doctor at Balboa a few years ago when considering going into the reserves (so glad I didn't do that) and I asked him about ear plugs. He said that there isn't a great amount of liturature out that supports the use of ear plugs for decreasing bone growth in the ear. He was an avid surfer and showed me pics of him surfing all over the world in some pretty heavy conditions (ie. he wasn't a kook). The Jury is still out on earplugs. I wore them up til then. If someone knows of a good study that wasn't supported by one of the earplug companys and published in a medical journal it sure would be great to share.

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#597070 - 03/13/05 04:24 PM Re: post ear drilling/chiselling questions [Re: BrownFish]
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Can't provide any documented studies all I can go by is my personal experience since using custom silicone plugs. Bone growth was coming back started using the plugs and I have some success surfing with out them in the Tropics (ears drained) which I was not having.Took a few years, don't know if it is related.

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#597071 - 03/14/05 01:33 PM Re: post ear drilling/chiselling questions [Re: BrownFish]
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Quote:

Hurt like hell the day of surgery. Decreased significantly the second day and I even went down to the beach and hung out in the lot. Packing stayed in for one week. Sutures for two. Surfing at 3 weeks post-op with doctors permission. Now he wants to do the other ear. Been putting it off for 3 years now. Went to a Navy ENT doctor at Balboa a few years ago when considering going into the reserves (so glad I didn't do that) and I asked him about ear plugs. He said that there isn't a great amount of liturature out that supports the use of ear plugs for decreasing bone growth in the ear. He was an avid surfer and showed me pics of him surfing all over the world in some pretty heavy conditions (ie. he wasn't a kook). The Jury is still out on earplugs. I wore them up til then. If someone knows of a good study that wasn't supported by one of the earplug companys and published in a medical journal it sure would be great to share.




There are not really any studies, positive or negative, on the usage of ear plugs.

There ARE studies that support the idea that the water temperature plays a key role. One, in Japan, related the water temperatures to the bone growth in the north and in the Tokyo region (for divers). Those in 68F water or warmer had no growth. In colder water, everyone gets bone growth.

Other studies have found that ALL avid surfers of 7 years or more in cold water have substantial growth. Some need surgery in as little as five years.

But in many searchings of the literature I have yet to find ANY study that compared ear plugs to non-ear plugs. I do know MANY people who had the surgery, started using plugs, and have gone many times longer without needing to get re-drilled. I even know some people who reached 90% closure and adopted a "no water" policy in their ear canals using poster putty/cottonball plugs, and the exostosis actually receded over about a decade.

In short, I think it is pretty damaging for anyone cognizant of the literature to disparage the use of ear plugs. Keeping cold out is the key, ear plugs unquestionably help with that.

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#597072 - 03/19/05 11:18 PM Re: post ear drilling/chiselling questions [Re: Shank123]
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Feeling much better now. The packing removal was a real blast! Almost fainted twice. Doc said it just happens with some guys. Great feeling having that plunger effect as the packing is pulled and the vaccuum formed in the ear canal. I've since noticed my ear drum in left ear is ruptured (can blow bubbles in my antibiotic eardrops by pinching nose and blowing: don't worry surf doc, only did it once out of habit, figure it's a bad practice). But figure that will heal quick. Doc did a great job really, no skin grafts needed even though he said I had full blockage in left and 90% in right. Stitches all gone, scarring not too bad. Miss being able to walk around and gross out chicks with my stitches. And ignore annoying people and point ot my ears and say "can't hear you"- gonna keep that technique...
Another visit to Doc Tuesday. Hearing is returned, but still a little muffly. I figure I'll just continue to live with the tinnitus, although it seems worse post surgery.
As per earplugs- for last two years have been full blockage guy, using the 'hearos' brand that keep all water out. They worked at avaoiding getting water in and trapped. Probably coulda gone that route for longer, but had chance for surgery and did it. Plus being lifeguard no good to have to always put in plugs before rescue.
For statistical purposes, been surfing total 19 years, since 12 y.o., only 31, young for surgery everybody says, spent 4 years in Humboldt County, no plugs or hood ever which probably did plenty to contribute to growths, then 3 more Spring/Fall shoulder seasons working North Coast lifeguarding. Plenty cold water exposure. When considering my friends with good ears still who have surfed as long as I, but only in SoCal figure it is the cold. Although buddy who has surfed as long and now lives and surfs in Eureka apparently has no growth according to doc. Some guys get it, some don't? Who knows. I asked doc about left ear/right ear growth discrepancy- have heard it was ear that faces wave (which seems like bad explanation to me), but I figure might be cause drive with window down lots. Doc called B.S. And made me appreciate all those years of studying epistemology at HSU. They just really don't know why...

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#597073 - 03/26/05 01:28 PM Re: post ear drilling/chiselling questions [Re: Shank123]
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Here is an interesting observation. I am a personal acquaintance of Doc Scott of ProPlugs fame. One year Doc Scott set up his fancy equipment at the Internation Surf Games, and he and I looked at hundreds of ear canals from all over the world and all sorts of ages, water temps, and length of surfing careers. 95%+ surfers do not use ear protection.

BOTTOM LINE? Everyone has some degree of exostosis.
RULE OF THUMB? WEAR THE FREAKIN' EAR PLUGS!
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