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#2820012 - 07/11/18 04:13 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: Havoc4k]
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I was interested in the Algae too, but they only use 25% less petroleum than regular PU boards and the algae used is an engineered form of algae only grown in laboratories.


attack of the algae monsters!


While there is the threat of monsters, I was more thinking that if the Algae blanks take off we'd have to create a giant warehouse of lab grown algae which seems counterintuitive towards sustainability. Now if they could use invasive species fished out of estuaries that would be different. And if it was more than 25% of the blank.

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#2820014 - 07/11/18 04:14 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: Zander]
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Certified 100% Biodegradable Certified 99% Biobased Ultra-lightweight Virtually Waterproof Highly UV Resistant (won't yellow) Accepts epoxy or poly resin Hand-shapes or Machine-shapes Certified Industrially Compostable Certified Carbon Neutral GMO-free Manufactured with 100% Wind Power

https://www.biomblanks.com/

This has to ride shitty, right?





pretty interesting stuff...i still think all the bio stuff is overhyped. The most green board is the one you dont have to throw away, compost, recycle etc...getting your board glassed heavier, using denser blanks, diagonal glassing and making a board to last is much more environmentally friendly. Making less boards and replacing boards less often is the best way


Agree 100% (all my boards are either stretch CFT construction or XTR), but what if you could combine those building techniques with these materials? Closing the loop.

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#2820017 - 07/11/18 04:22 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: Racer1]
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Originally Posted By: Racer1
Originally Posted By: Havoc4k
Originally Posted By: Racer1
I was interested in the Algae too, but they only use 25% less petroleum than regular PU boards and the algae used is an engineered form of algae only grown in laboratories.


attack of the algae monsters!


While there is the threat of monsters, I was more thinking that if the Algae blanks take off we'd have to create a giant warehouse of lab grown algae which seems counterintuitive towards sustainability. Now if they could use invasive species fished out of estuaries that would be different. And if it was more than 25% of the blank.


I wonder if they could use that algae that is supposed to clean wastewater whilst providing biodiesel for our cars.

https://www.wired.com/2011/02/using-algae-to-clean-wastewater-make-fuel/
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#2820047 - 07/11/18 05:49 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: jkb]
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It's a great idea, but not practical or scalable. There isn't enough consistency to the transient natural world algae, thus it can only be grown in a laboratory. The lab genetically engineer one or more morbidly obese algae strains for extraction of the replicable building blocks required for making the polyol (the 25% fraction in discussion).

Peace!


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#2820075 - 07/11/18 06:38 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: HobbitFeet]
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Algae production is not at all lab based only. Algae farming is actually a sizable industry.
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#2820136 - 07/11/18 08:50 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: Racer1]
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how bout lichens?
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#2820172 - 07/11/18 09:36 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: Havoc4k]
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how bout lichens?

I think you can propagate lichen, but not 100% sure.
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#2820212 - 07/11/18 11:37 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: manbearpig]
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how bout lichens?

I think you can propagate lichen, but not 100% sure.


Sounds like something Moss Research should work on...



Wait for it....




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#2820242 - 07/12/18 02:21 AM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: sushipop]
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how bout lichens?

I think you can propagate lichen, but not 100% sure.


Sounds like something Moss Research should work on...



Wait for it....






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#2820490 - 07/12/18 04:09 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: Racer1]
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Nothing better than a good lichen joke.

roflmao
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#2820582 - 07/12/18 07:15 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: 000]
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no way they are as awesome as they make it sound

i mean if the blank self disposes like this, u really think its gonna last?
I was thinking the same thing! Especially since its basically just sugar puff balls! lol. But its possible I'm not understanding the science behind it correctly?

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#2820597 - 07/12/18 08:04 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: deforest]
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My understanding is that it breaks down in controlled environments only. Their use of the word "compostable" in that photo is not very clear in its use. Think industrial warehouse with massive piles of really hot compost (poop!)--much hotter than in your backyard leaf pile. Consistently high heat (~158F) + super-mega-colonies of microbes = "industrial composting" = bye-bye foam.


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#2820628 - 07/12/18 09:14 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: HobbitFeet]
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Consistently high heat (~158F)



Greeeeat. How much energy does that take running 24 hours in a giant warehouse?

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#2820908 - 07/13/18 01:20 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: Racer1]
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Consistently high heat (~158F)



Greeeeat. How much energy does that take running 24 hours in a giant warehouse?


I'm no expert, but I think the aforementioned heat is only created and maintained by the microbial breakdown of the organic material. Factors that would control this are the size of the pile, its moisture content, aeration, C/N ratio, and ambient temperature.


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#2820972 - 07/13/18 02:52 PM Re: Biom Blanks [Re: HobbitFeet]
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^^^very good point.
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