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#2744145 - 02/04/18 03:23 PM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: surfflexx]
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Originally Posted By: surfflexx
Do tell moron. "The diagnosis of shoulder impingement is a label given to anterior shoulder pain. The actual diagnosis is "shoulder pain".....although I wouldn't diagnose anything on the internet." roflmao


I stand by what I said. There's no way to know exactly what is going on in his shoulder via the internet.

Impingement is used incorrectly every day by people like you. Then you double down and start insinuating that he has a cuff injury....through a message board diagnosis. roflmao
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#2744201 - 02/04/18 05:50 PM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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You can stand on your ass. I neither diagnosed nor assessed. I suggest by my post to investigate possible reasons of injury. You are a moron who hides behind assess to a message board to pretend to be an expert after a couple of weekend seminars. Anybody with any brains knows your depth and years of experience is minimal.oh but please give me some rolling laughter. Bend over and crack a smile. Jerk.

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#2744222 - 02/04/18 07:43 PM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: surfflexx]
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Originally Posted By: surfflexx
You can stand on your ass. I neither diagnosed nor assessed. I suggest by my post to investigate possible reasons of injury. You are a moron who hides behind assess to a message board to pretend to be an expert after a couple of weekend seminars. Anybody with any brains knows your depth and years of experience is minimal.oh but please give me some rolling laughter. Bend over and crack a smile. Jerk.


Was it the snake oil remark? roflmao
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#2744223 - 02/04/18 07:54 PM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: VonMeister]
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Not at all sweetheart. Xoxo

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#2744230 - 02/04/18 08:42 PM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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Thin slice for efficiency and then test.
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#2744500 - 02/05/18 03:29 PM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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I had some minor shoulder discomfort recently which persisted for a couple of months

Its gone now

My not so scientific method:

Cut surf sessions a little shorter. I try not to go over 3 hrs now.

Varied weight training: hit overhead press 2x per week and horizontal press 1-2x per week. I had not bench pressed in years and surprisingly this seems to have helped. Use very strict form. Also mix in ring dips, ring pushups and kettlebell overhead presses. For warm up, I do pull aparts with a light band. Also added in mace swings on off days. I think the variety is strengthening shoulder from all angles and increasing stability. Biggest surprise is bench press- I think I had a horizontal pressing deficiency

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#2744822 - 02/06/18 06:08 AM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: BillyOcean]
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Science is but a work in progress. You have one hec of a strong workout going. I've not tried mace swings yet. Good that you're back to 100%.

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#2745979 - 02/08/18 07:13 AM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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I have gotten tremendous relief to my shoulder problems by simply lifting the entire stack on my Lat machine and just holding it there for as long as I can. Basically hanging. I do it a couple times once a day. As the pain has eased now I have begun pulling my shoulders down as I hang lifting the weights an inch or two a few times. I've been doing this almost two months now and it is the first thing I've found that really works.
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#2745989 - 02/08/18 08:33 AM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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Yeah, Im no doctor but I wonder if strength imbalances coupled with repetitive stress from surfing is the issue in general

Strengthen the muscles all around the joint and the joint is better able to cope with the surfing stress

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#2746211 - 02/08/18 03:07 PM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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This thread is no longer worth the bytes it's memorialized upon. Let's move on shall we? Face it, shoulder pain is a pain in the butt.
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#2778637 - 04/15/18 01:23 AM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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Theory now.

Wounds never go away...its an evolutionary trait. I still have pain in the same place and have learned to deal with it. Mechanical breakdown that, yes, can be helped by building the supporting muscle and rest, but will never be the same. The beauty of evolution, a 45+ plus individual should not be doing the same stuff as a 20 year old.

There would never be progression in the species. Get wise, train the next gen, etc.

The hard part is accepeting to slow down...
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#2778675 - 04/15/18 09:42 AM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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I would reframe slowing down to being more efficient by drawing on experience.
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#2778700 - 04/15/18 11:59 AM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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Older people just need to be smarter about volume and recovery. There's no reason to avoid physical activity based on age.
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#2778832 - 04/15/18 05:09 PM Re: Another shoulder pain question. [Re: SlicedFeet]
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You can make a full 100% recovery. It just takes time.

I tore my rotator cuff and bicep tendon in 2014. I couldn't lift my arm above my shoulder. It took a full 6 months of physical therapy rehabilitation to be able to paddle a surfboard for 15 minutes. Then pain would set in.

It then took another 3 months to be able to surf for 2 hours....then maybe another 18 months before I could surf absolutely 100% pain-free as if I never had the injury at all.

That's over 2 years before making a full recovery...and I had been doing exercises and stretches to strengthen my shoulder joint the entire time.

So once again, while it does take a long time to make a full, 100% recovery, you can do it with some effort put into rehabilitation. Physical therapy does wonders.

Avoid going under the knife. It should be viewed as a last resort. If you read studies, it's been shown that shoulder surgery is just as effective as physical therapy. One should only go through with surgery if physical therapy fails them after several months.


Edited by JLW (04/15/18 05:10 PM)

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