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#2764053 - 03/15/18 05:03 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: rice]
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#2764055 - 03/15/18 05:06 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: StuAzole]
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what GDaddy is positing is valid

quit trippin'
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#2764059 - 03/15/18 05:15 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
By the way, who the heck is honestly answering the questions of these researchers? Doubt you'd get many from my generation of my parent's generation to comply with their study or give honest answers. Dubious.


They might be open to a good 'ol evangelical from Baylor University in Waco, Texas asking those questions....which is basically exactly what happened here.
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#2764061 - 03/15/18 05:22 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Silly study.

Are they stockpiling or simply accumulating? Its a subtle difference but a difference none the less.

How does this study factor multi generational inheritance of guns like has happened in my family and with many of my friends? You could literally have 20 or more guns because great grandpa's, grandpa's and dad's guns got passed down through the generations.

Are collectors of fine rifles and shotguns "Stockpiling"?

Are avid hunters who have all of the various guns needed to hunt every season available in their region "stockpiling"?

Are shooting enthusiasts who go to the range with a variety of guns for the shooting sports they enjoy "stockpiling"?

The word "stockpiling" has connotations intended to confuse or enrage readers of the study who don't have an understanding of why people own multiple or even numerous firearms. To lump it together and call it "stockpiling" as if they are preparing for world war 3 is entirely dishonest.


I was talking to a professional acqaintance a few weeks back - he lives in Nashville. He was all stressed out and planning on going to the range to do some shooting, which I never knew he did. It turns out he was into competition shooting a long time ago and although he doesn't do it competitively any more it's still one of his pasttimes. Along with cigars and his cigar club.

His brother loaned him a new 1911 in 9mm to shoot, so he was looking forward to that.

In reference to the stockpiling issue, he told me that he's unusual among his friends that shoot because he only owns one AR-15, not 3 or 4 like the rest of them. So yeah, that's stockpiling.

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#2764064 - 03/15/18 05:29 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: StuAzole]
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Originally Posted By: StuAzole
as we've always known (from the article):

"This wasnt about familiarity with real-world gunsgun ownership and experience did not affect results. Instead, conservative attachment to guns was based entirely on ideology and emotions."

FEELZ!

And FWIW, GDaddy's statistical analysis is funny. Post something that shows whites own guns at a rate far higher than blacks and hispanics, and then point out that the white population in the US is proportionally far lower than the their representation in the "gun stockpilers" column, but then somehow suggest the Article is hokum.

FEELZ!


I didn't say it was hokum. I said it was a valid question to ask. I didn't question the numbers, either.

But when someone comes out with a conclusion it's only natural look for context. "Their motivations include x" is fine, but to what or who are we comparing those rates to? Compared to what? Hence my presumption that POCs probably have certain motivations for their ownership, too.

Mixing percentages of the total with percentages per group isn't helpful either. A little simple algebra is in order

36% of 72% of the overall population (325M) produces a number that's almost 8x larger than 24% of 13% of the overall population. Using the demographics by race number in wiki

(325,000,000 * .72)*.36 = 84,240,000
(325,000,000 * .13)*.24 = 10,140,000
(325,000,000 * .16)*.15 = 7,800,000
........................................102,180.000

So can you guess what 84M / 102M equals? 82%

So when a study concludes that 78% of the most committed gun owners are white, the "compared to what" is their representation in the group of gun owners, which at 82% doesn't look completely crazy. Even when considering a margin of error in the numbers.
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#2764067 - 03/15/18 05:39 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: frvcvs]
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#2764078 - 03/15/18 06:12 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: GromsDad]
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Edited by sizzld1 (03/15/18 06:16 PM)
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#2764084 - 03/15/18 06:29 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: afoaf]
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that's how I call to my kids now...

me: "WHAT?!"

them: "YEAHYAH!"

me: "OKAAAAY!"


Me and my kids also went through a phase of this, no joke

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#2764085 - 03/15/18 06:31 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: frvcvs]
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#2764086 - 03/15/18 06:31 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: frvcvs]
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Duh, gun nuts are insecure middle aged white dudes

Next do a study on who owns Corvettes

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#2764093 - 03/15/18 06:41 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: BillyOcean]
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Duh, gun nuts are insecure middle aged white dudes

Next do a study on who owns Corvettes



There's a 4% spread among the ownership rates of the different age groups. But, I think whites comprise a larger percentage of the older age groups.
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#2764097 - 03/15/18 06:52 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: frvcvs]
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BTW, without rehashing the math, if we assume that the 39% (of the population) rate for males and 22% rate for females more/less holds up across all 3 racial groups, the men account for 63% of all gun owners, which again relates pretty closely to men comprising 65% of the 'most attached" subset.

Assuming the Census is correct when it attributes 49% of the population to men and 51% to women.

This tangent was a little obscured by the way the comment was worded in the summary:
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Their study found that people at the highest level of their scalethe ones who felt most emotionally and morally attached to their gunswere 78 percent white and 65 percent male.


That sentence says one thing but will be read by many people as implying something a little different. When you break it down you get a different message

Their study found that people at the highest level of their scalethe ones who felt most emotionally and morally attached to their gunswere 78 percent white.
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Their study found that people at the highest level of their scalethe ones who felt most emotionally and morally attached to their gunswere 65 percent male.
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#2764121 - 03/15/18 07:36 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: frvcvs]
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93% of the NRA board of directors are white men time to pack this thread up

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#2764122 - 03/15/18 07:38 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: GDaddy]
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How is it possible that Scientific American missed the Climate Change connection here? For the love of Science, are these people Climate Deniers too?
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#2764153 - 03/15/18 09:06 PM Re: Scientific American: Why are White Men Stockpiling Guns? [Re: TECHNOBUTT]
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Correct. Stockpiling? The reason for all those white gun owners could be that they have more real property to protect.
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