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#2763037 - 03/13/18 10:39 PM PA Special Election
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is getting interesting!

the district went to Trump by 20 points.
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#2763049 - 03/13/18 11:13 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: afoaf]
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#2763215 - 03/14/18 12:02 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: afoaf]
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this article is from January:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/369847-why-democrats-keep-winning-special-elections


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In the last year, states have conducted 98 special elections for legislative seats, ranging from a U.S. Senate seat in Alabama to state House races in New Hampshire. Democrats have flipped 16 of those seats including the race in Alabama, where Doug Jones became the first Democrat to win a Senate seat in a generation. Republicans have won only three formerly Democratic-held seats, in Louisiana, Mississippi and Massachusetts.

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But in special elections during the Trump era, a clear pattern has emerged. Of the 98 special legislative elections over the last year, 37 were held in districts that were contested by both parties both in the specials and in the last regularly scheduled election. In 27 of those 37 seats, Democrats have seen their vote shares increase.

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#2763228 - 03/14/18 12:20 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: afoaf]
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#2763229 - 03/14/18 12:20 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: afoaf]
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I love how Republicans are trying minimize this election, they pulled out all the stops, outspent the D's 10 to 1, had Trump show up, even went nasty in the last days, and still lost in a heavily Republican coal country district.

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#2763230 - 03/14/18 12:20 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: afoaf]
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Originally Posted By: afoaf

the district went to Trump by 20 points.


and Cheeto campaigned there this weekend. So did Pence. So did Kellyanne. GOP spent $10 million compared to Lamb's $3 million. Biggest factor though was probably Lamb putting in the ground work

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#2763235 - 03/14/18 12:30 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: stu dog]
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Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: afoaf

the district went to Trump by 20 points.


and Cheeto campaigned there this weekend. So did Pence. So did Kellyanne. GOP spent $10 million compared to Lamb's $3 million. Biggest factor though was probably Lamb putting in the ground work


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#2763237 - 03/14/18 12:32 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: stu dog]
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Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: afoaf

the district went to Trump by 20 points.


and Cheeto campaigned there this weekend. So did Pence. So did Kellyanne. GOP spent $10 million compared to Lamb's $3 million. Biggest factor though was probably Lamb putting in the ground work


I think there's more of a lesson than that. One of the things that made Lamb so popular is that he didn't have the "liberals from Washington" help him on his campaign and he took a far more centerist approach on stuff like guns and promising not to support Pelosi. If anything, Dems should take away from this that Trump's helping their cause, but they need to tone down the far-left rhetoric too.
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#2763239 - 03/14/18 12:37 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: StuAzole]
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Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: stu dog
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the district went to Trump by 20 points.


and Cheeto campaigned there this weekend. So did Pence. So did Kellyanne. GOP spent $10 million compared to Lamb's $3 million. Biggest factor though was probably Lamb putting in the ground work


I think there's more of a lesson than that. One of the things that made Lamb so popular is that he didn't have the "liberals from Washington" help him on his campaign and he took a far more centerist approach on stuff like guns and promising not to support Pelosi. If anything, Dems should take away from this that Trump's helping their cause, but they need to tone down the far-left rhetoric too.


Don't know if the Dems head office has gotten the message, but focusing on regional politics & issues will get them wins for Congressional seats. the only national message they have is fuk Cheeto, and that's not going to get wins in the mid west. Pelosi is a liability for them in that area so they should just concentrate on local issues.

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#2763247 - 03/14/18 12:45 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: afoaf]
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Run on stuff that will actually help the working class, lets see if the DNC will get the message.

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#2763260 - 03/14/18 12:54 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: mundus]
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Run on stuff that will actually help the working class, lets see if the DNC will get the message.


The working class is only a portion of America. It would be awesome if a party existed that ran on stuff that actually helped us all. Politics shouldn't have to be a zero sum game.
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#2763269 - 03/14/18 01:02 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: stu dog]
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Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: stu dog
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the district went to Trump by 20 points.


and Cheeto campaigned there this weekend. So did Pence. So did Kellyanne. GOP spent $10 million compared to Lamb's $3 million. Biggest factor though was probably Lamb putting in the ground work


I think there's more of a lesson than that. One of the things that made Lamb so popular is that he didn't have the "liberals from Washington" help him on his campaign and he took a far more centerist approach on stuff like guns and promising not to support Pelosi. If anything, Dems should take away from this that Trump's helping their cause, but they need to tone down the far-left rhetoric too.


Don't know if the Dems head office has gotten the message, but focusing on regional politics & issues will get them wins for Congressional seats. the only national message they have is fuk Cheeto, and that's not going to get wins in the mid west. Pelosi is a liability for them in that area so they should just concentrate on local issues.


Didn't Joe Biden stump for him pretty hard? I like him a hell of lot more than Pelosi but he's still part of the establishment if that's what you're getting at.
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#2763272 - 03/14/18 01:04 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: StuAzole]
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Run on stuff that will actually help the working class, lets see if the DNC will get the message.


The working class is only a portion of America. It would be awesome if a party existed that ran on stuff that actually helped us all. Politics shouldn't have to be a zero sum game.

Yes, but the working class seemed to be swing voters in the last election.

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#2763296 - 03/14/18 01:30 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: frvcvs]
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Didn't Joe Biden stump for him pretty hard? I like him a hell of lot more than Pelosi but he's still part of the establishment if that's what you're getting at.


No, he's getting at Pelosi specifically is a boat anchor albatross of jinx and toting Ls. Schumer, Feinstein, and a few others as well. Biden's establishment but he plays well in Pennsylvania, especially in a Union district with a Tea Party anti-labor guy to bad mouth at the grassroots level. People see Biden, and they think, there's a guy that got out in front of, and somewhat embarrassed, President Obama about gay marriage, but they also think he's a guy they could trade off-color jokes with and he wouldn't publicize it and ruin their lower middle class lives just to use it as an opportunity to shame and virtue signal to elevate his electoral prospects for a news cycle or two.

There is something to this 'nationalized' race concept. Jack Ossoff ran one. Doug Jones and Conor Lamb didn't.

Part of me feels bad for Nancy Pelosi but WTF. Agree to support a (D) House leader who will respect you and listen to you. Are the Democrats going to miss out on picking up 5, 10, 15 seats because the Right has done to Nancy Pelosi what they did to Hillary, but we can't have Nancy Pelosi take a lump for a dozen more votes? She's going to take her fundraising mojo and go home, leaving rich Mission district liberals to donate to...who will they donate to, Betsy DeVos's faith-based school in rural Michigan? Candy Carson's (most likely) tastelessly gauche silver and flatware? Or the next person with the (D) next to their name hosting deplore people evening, with tapas and cocktails, at the museum of piss paintings and turd sculptures?

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#2763399 - 03/14/18 03:56 PM Re: PA Special Election [Re: afoaf]
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Single party control of the government hasn't previously lasted past the midterms. There's no reason to suspect that trend will change.

I like divided government, gridlock and the more limited number of actions that ensue.
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