REMINDER: Siteowner has no obligation to monitor the Forums. However, Siteowner reserves the right to review the Materials submitted to or posted on the Forums, and remove, delete, redact or otherwise modify such Materials, in its sole discretion and for any reason whatsoever, at any time and from time to time, without notice or further obligation to you. Siteowner has no obligation to display or post any Materials provided by you. Siteowner reserves the right to disclose, at any time and from time to time, any information or Materials that Siteowner deems necessary or appropriate to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, contract obligation, legal or dispute process or government request. To further read the rules and terms of agreement of this Forum, click here.

Topic Options
Page 13 of 16 < 1 2 ... 11 12 13 14 15 16 >
Previous Topic
View All Topics Index
Next Topic
#2748349 - 02/13/18 12:05 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: SurfFuerte]
Mr_Stagger_Lee Offline
Phil Edwards status
***

Registered: 01/06/09
Posts: 6873
Originally Posted By: SurfFuerte
hawaii should escort the wsl to the door, and tell them to be careful to not let it hit then on the arse on the way out.

then, IF they wanted to, run contests at those same dates with different sponsors under new name. the WSL (Wave Surf League) for example, and see who gets the ratings.

not like there's not a top 88 surfers in the world.

in the end, there will be national leagues which will then compete on an international level, like soccer, or any other organized team sport.

then hawaiians could compete in their own league, the American one.

aussies in theirs, euros in theirs, africans in theirs.... and a world cup every 4 years.


I think you are probably predicting the future here but I can't tell if it will be in my lifetime or not. Maybe not until they can make wave pools with 10 foot faces. What else that is so subjectively scored and is able to be managed by one single overbearing entity across the globe? That is profitable? That has different playing conditions at each event?

Top
#2748363 - 02/13/18 12:15 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: youcantbeserious]
Boneroni Offline
Tom Curren status
**

Registered: 03/05/12
Posts: 10052
Loc: Goleta
Originally Posted By: youcantbeserious
Hawaii doesn't need professional surfing. Hawaii is a surf culture. It has always been a surf culture. It will continue to be a surf culture. I'm not sure why you are personally so invested in keeping pro surfing in Hawaii while at the same time denying Hawaii's place in surfing's history. It's a strange logic. Care to explain?


bowdown
_________________________
Originally Posted By: HarryLopez
I guess the ocean is always ready to kill someone for free. laugh

Top
#2748420 - 02/13/18 12:55 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: slopokecr]
r32 Offline


Tom Curren status
***

Registered: 04/01/05
Posts: 11674
Loc: Cambria
Oh Fuerte. You were doing so well for a few days there. foreheadslap

Top
#2748437 - 02/13/18 01:06 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: JSC]
the janitor Offline
Kelly Slater status
**

Registered: 03/28/03
Posts: 8284
Loc: north of the bridge
Originally Posted By: JSC

If Hawaii wants to stay relevant in surfing, it needs to drop the island myopia and tough-guy act and embrace professional surfing as a welcome and wanted activity - not as quaint "surf meets" under the authority of the Department of Parks and Recreation (?) but as a real, Olympic recognised sport integral to Hawaii's international image and as an important market driver for those 8 million tourists a year who come to Hawaii.


It sounds like you might be conflating "relevant in surfing" with contests? If so, I think your definition lacks breadth shrug

Top
#2748542 - 02/13/18 03:16 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: SurfFuerte]
Racer1 Offline
Miki Dora status
**

Registered: 04/16/14
Posts: 5393
Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii
Originally Posted By: SurfFuerte


then, IF they wanted to, run contests at those same dates with different sponsors under new name. the WSL (Wave Surf League) for example, and see who gets the ratings.



This is not a bad idea. You have the permits, as long as you have the insurance and same protocol that WSL was doing, then you could still run an "event." The only downside I see is that the WSL will bar "their" surfers from competing, I think they did that before.

Top
#2748553 - 02/13/18 03:24 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: slopokecr]
Sharkbiscuit Online   content
Miki Dora status
**

Registered: 08/06/03
Posts: 5011
Loc: Jacksonville Beach
In Hawaii there is problem
and that problem is contest
It kapu da break da days
when da break is at it's best

Throw contest down the well...so Hawaii can be free...



Edited by Sharkbiscuit (02/13/18 03:24 PM)

Top
#2748649 - 02/13/18 06:04 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: r32]
beerbelly Offline
Billy Hamilton status
**

Registered: 05/14/10
Posts: 1408
Originally Posted By: r32
That would never work Fuerte for a bunch of reasons.
Originally Posted By: r32
That would never work Fuerte for a bunch of reasons.

The PSAA was great till the WSL screwed it by incorporating it into the qualifying series. Bring it back.

Top
#2748734 - 02/13/18 08:30 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: slopokecr]
oneula Offline
Michael Peterson status
**

Registered: 06/03/04
Posts: 2500
I'm pretty sure that 90% of the regular working population on these rocks in the middle of the pacific don't give a f**k if they stay or if they go. Only those still sucking on the teet of the surf industry have anything to lose.

The self absorbed need to sell something to make a dollar by this industry among other things has pretty much destroyed every place they have touched. Starting from cali to the northshore to the gold coast to indo/bali/maldives to europe to tahiti/fiji and now micronesia and elsewhere. Geez look at Peahi and Uluwatu these days. They've never made any place they've marketed better, they've only contaminated it with outsiders looking at making a buck. It's a disease inflicted on lineups around the world by a handful of lazy ass surfers from the late 60's early 70's who wanted to get paid to surf full time instead of working like the rest of the world.
The honor of being on a surf team back when was different than being a "pro".

I guess the older you get
the grumpier you get too





Edited by oneula (02/13/18 08:31 PM)
_________________________
waSUPcuz? shaka ala n da mooleh bulls..

Top
#2748794 - 02/13/18 10:39 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: slopokecr]
Sniper Offline
Legend (inyourownmind)

Registered: 07/24/17
Posts: 228
Loc: Kalaheo
I'm only 37 and I have seen the islands explode in surfing population since I first visited as a grom. As much as the surf media likes to act like all the heavy vibes are doled out and you can't surf certain spots. Where I am from in Oregon it is common knowledge that outsiders are not to be communicated with or acknowledged. I have been to supposed secret spots on Maui and Kauai and have never been more impressed by the friendliness of the local surfers. Hawaii will always be the center of surfing just because of this. They have no need for the wsl, but how illegitimate would a world champ be without any Hawaiian contests? This is crazy.

Top
#2748841 - 02/14/18 03:43 AM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: oneula]
SurfFuerte Offline
Michael Peterson status
**

Registered: 09/20/14
Posts: 1972
Loc: hulling, mostly...
Originally Posted By: oneula
I'm pretty sure that 90% of the regular working population on these rocks in the middle of the pacific don't give a f**k if they stay or if they go. Only those still sucking on the teet of the surf industry have anything to lose.

The self absorbed need to sell something to make a dollar by this industry among other things has pretty much destroyed every place they have touched. Starting from cali to the northshore to the gold coast to indo/bali/maldives to europe to tahiti/fiji and now micronesia and elsewhere. Geez look at Peahi and Uluwatu these days. They've never made any place they've marketed better, they've only contaminated it with outsiders looking at making a buck. It's a disease inflicted on lineups around the world by a handful of lazy ass surfers from the late 60's early 70's who wanted to get paid to surf full time instead of working like the rest of the world.
The honor of being on a surf team back when was different than being a "pro".

I guess the older you get
the grumpier you get too





i know, right? gotta actively fight that shit! the grumpiness i mean...

as for the lazy fooks what started the ASP? why couldn't they just have smuggled and dealt drugs, like every other self-respecting drop out 60's surfer did... at least then, they would have been 'contributing' to fullfil a societal need. now? jeez, just look at this whole mess!

roflmao roflmao roflmao bowdown

trout tomato hat monkey grin2
_________________________
roscoe jones

Top
#2748842 - 02/14/18 03:45 AM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: slopokecr]
SurfFuerte Offline
Michael Peterson status
**

Registered: 09/20/14
Posts: 1972
Loc: hulling, mostly...
must also fight sudden urge to post three more short ones in a row to irk r32...

poke

see? i'm tryin' that ougta count for sumptin!

tomato roflmao
_________________________
roscoe jones

Top
#2748912 - 02/14/18 10:10 AM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: youcantbeserious]
Clayster Offline
Michael Peterson status
**

Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 3431
Originally Posted By: youcantbeserious
Originally Posted By: JSC


Nup - wrong again. Polynesia did not exist until about 900 AD when proto-Polynesians first arrived in what is now Samoa and French Polynesia. Undoubtedly, people in Australasia, West Africa and Madagascar were standing on wooden boards and in canoes or raft-like structures and riding ocean waves hundreds if not thousands of years before Polynesia existed.

There were no educated Europeans to document their activities in text or images, unlike the first Europeans like Cook, Bougainville, the Spaniard lvaro de Mendaa de Neira and the Dutch navigators Tasman and Roggeveen who traveled throughout the Pacific, including Polynesia and made detailed notes and sketches about surfing on various islands.

So, no - Hawaiians did not "invent" surfing. Polynesians did not invent surfing.

The myth that they did is a falsehood that has been flogged for decades by the Hawaii tourism industry as it is good for business.

The point is - surfing is a market driver for Hawaii. Golf and American Football, a spectacle of ritualised violence presented as a sport, don't have the same cachet and no cultural identification with Hawaii whatsoever. The fact that the State of Hawaii has supported both professional football and golf with subsidies - PAID them to have tournaments and games in Hawaii - is stupid.

If Hawaii wants to stay relevant in surfing, it needs to drop the island myopia and tough-guy act and embrace professional surfing as a welcome and wanted activity - not as quaint "surf meets" under the authority of the Department of Parks and Recreation (?) but as a real, Olympic recognised sport integral to Hawaii's international image and as an important market driver for those 8 million tourists a year who come to Hawaii.


Polynesia didn't exist until 900 A.D.? Can you pease cite some relevant anthropological sources here? Because that goes against all academic consensus on Pacific migration, settlement, and cultural forms. What literature are you referencing here? I'm genuinely interested. And you claim that "undoubtedly" surfing was happening in other places? Why? And would what was happening be recognizable as modern surfing? Surfing was highly developed cultural form in Hawaii, claiming that the same thing happened elsewhere is simply false, no matter how badly you want it to be true. If you are making that claim, you should back it up. It's actually been argued, unsuccessfully, by at least one anthropologist. Are you aware of this thread in the literature? Is this what you're citing?

Hawaiians, not Tahitians, not Samoans, not anyone else, were the first to practice what we would recognize today as modern surfing. Period.

Hawaii doesn't need professional surfing. Hawaii is a surf culture. It has always been a surf culture. It will continue to be a surf culture. I'm not sure why you are personally so invested in keeping pro surfing in Hawaii while at the same time denying Hawaii's place in surfing's history. It's a strange logic. Care to explain?


I'd like to know where that info re: Polynesian only existing for a thousand years comes from. Doesn't sound correct to me.

Top
#2749768 - 02/15/18 02:49 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: slopokecr]
KINNAKEET Offline
Gerry Lopez status
*

Registered: 04/11/04
Posts: 1196
Loc: SD for now
I know for myself I never even think to come over during November or December because of the circus, it would just open up more opportunity for others to visit during that time, so the North Shore would do just fine during that period, maybe better with only a couple people sharing a house instead of 10 living on breakfast cereal and not spending a dime at any of the restaurants.

Top
#2749789 - 02/15/18 03:16 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: KINNAKEET]
stu dog Offline
Duke status
**

Registered: 01/15/03
Posts: 31494
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: KINNAKEET
I know for myself I never even think to come over during November or December because of the circus, it would just open up more opportunity for others to visit during that time, so the North Shore would do just fine during that period, maybe better with only a couple people sharing a house instead of 10 living on breakfast cereal and not spending a dime at any of the restaurants.


last decade+ I'd go over to the NS either T-day week or for X-mas (right as Pipe was finishing up). As an average surfer myself I never felt like the pro circus hindered me from getting a good surf. cause I wouldn't be surfing OTW, Pipe, Rockies, etc. only downside was road traffic, but that's arguably due to general holiday tourism.

Top
#2749817 - 02/15/18 03:33 PM Re: No Talk of the WSL leaving Hawaii? [Re: slopokecr]
Autoprax Online   content
Duke status
**

Registered: 01/24/11
Posts: 21147
Loc: Vagina Point
I wish there was something I could do to help the WSL leave.

Set up a gofundme fund?
_________________________



Top
Page 13 of 16 < 1 2 ... 11 12 13 14 15 16 >


Moderator:  Groundswell, Nameless60, r32