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#2697059 - 10/12/17 11:34 AM Trumpcare Era Begins Today
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And you thought insurance was expensive before!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...m=.965b2791532d

"Critics, who include state insurance commissioners, most of the health-insurance industry and mainstream policy specialists, predict that a proliferation of such health plans will have damaging ripple effects: driving up costs for consumers with serious medical conditions and prompting more insurers to flee the laws marketplaces. Part of Trumps actions, they say, will spark court challenges over their legality."
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#2697168 - 10/12/17 03:01 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: StuAzole]
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it's a real bummer that he's allowed to go in and smash the thing
without legislative backing.

the markets could be vastly improved with some simple economically
sound enhancements.

instead it's all about shitting on the other guy's legacy.

in the end, we all get fkd.
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#2697171 - 10/12/17 03:12 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: StuAzole]
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Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.
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#2697172 - 10/12/17 03:15 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: StuAzole]
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A huge problem with all the plans is lack of interstate competition
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#2697183 - 10/12/17 03:26 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.


DEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe if you write it bigger people will take you seriously. socrazy
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#2697200 - 10/12/17 04:09 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.

You're 100% wrong and that's indisputable. Is it perfect? No. But it wasn't meant to be the final solution nor does it address the entire issue. It wasn't designed to.

But I know s handful of people whom it helped immensely. One of which it straight up saved his life.
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#2697202 - 10/12/17 04:20 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: ifallalot]
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A huge problem with all the plans is lack of interstate competition


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/300...oss-state-lines
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#2697203 - 10/12/17 04:25 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.


100% indisputable you say? Redundancy aside, lulz.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...care-act-obama/
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#2697208 - 10/12/17 04:42 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.


so less than 100K people out of 13 million+ losing health care cause of insurers pulling out of their district markets is a failure. talk about extrapolation socrazy

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#2697212 - 10/12/17 04:59 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: stu dog]
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Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.


so less than 100K people out of 13 million+ losing health care cause of insurers pulling out of their district markets is a failure. talk about extrapolation socrazy


You're ignoring the effects on people's coverage and premiums........why is that????
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#2697214 - 10/12/17 05:01 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: StuAzole]
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#2697227 - 10/12/17 05:28 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.


so less than 100K people out of 13 million+ losing health care cause of insurers pulling out of their district markets is a failure. talk about extrapolation socrazy


You're ignoring the effects on people's coverage and premiums........why is that????

You ignore many things. Why is that?
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#2697232 - 10/12/17 05:40 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.


so less than 100K people out of 13 million+ losing health care cause of insurers pulling out of their district markets is a failure. talk about extrapolation socrazy


You're ignoring the effects on people's coverage and premiums........why is that????


like I said 150 times before, give insurance companies any reason to change plans they'll jack up prices. fault of ACA it introduced the need for new plans and the insurance companies saw an opportunity to raise rates. whether it was actually based on increase cost they incurred overall....doubt it

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#2697234 - 10/12/17 05:48 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Obamacare is an absolute disaster. That is 100% indisputable. Trying to fix this disaster does not suddenly make it his.


so less than 100K people out of 13 million+ losing health care cause of insurers pulling out of their district markets is a failure. talk about extrapolation socrazy


You're ignoring the effects on people's coverage and premiums........why is that????


http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...care-act-obama/
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#2697235 - 10/12/17 05:48 PM Re: Trumpcare Era Begins Today [Re: StuAzole]
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Its all heading toward single payor

A lot of people hate obamacare

But a lot of people hated what preceded it

If Obamacare implodes and there is no functional replacement, there will be a political consequence

Blaming it on the other guy only works for so long

All the free market zealots will look like assholes when people are dying of preventable shit

Dumbass GOP should take the long view and see that they are setting themselves up to own the health markets failure

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