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#2606589 - 02/16/17 02:18 PM
Re: Milo appearing on Bill Maher Show this Friday
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His words are spoken to evoke an emotional response.
Fixed I agree with that. I'd stipulate that he sometimes speaks to evoke a contemptuous and angry response. Yes, and those particular emotional responses can frequently manifest themselves in violence. I guess it's a matter of where we draw the line. Fortunately, our constitution addresses that.
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#2606590 - 02/16/17 02:19 PM
Re: Milo appearing on Bill Maher Show this Friday
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His words are spoken to evoke an emotional response.
Fixed I agree with that. I'd stipulate that he sometimes speaks to evoke a contemptuous and angry response. Yes, and those particular emotional responses can frequently manifest themselves in violence. I guess it's a matter of where we draw the line. Fortunately, our constitution addresses that. Again, I agree with that as well. Particularly the comment about where we would draw the line.
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#2606593 - 02/16/17 02:20 PM
Re: Milo appearing on Bill Maher Show this Friday
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This ought to be fun. Some long time panelists already withdrew in protest. NYM nails it: "In the aftermath of the clash with Trotter, Griffith published a pamphlet titled “The Rise and Fall of Free Speech in America,” and directed a film titled “Intolerance,” which criticized not racism but people who were intolerant of it. Yiannopoulos is of a blinkered tradition that sees no distinction worth examining between martyrdom and limitations on one’s ability to attack others. Yiannopoulos’s act is the political equivalent of an N.B.A. guard flopping in the hope of drawing a foul, a rendition of victimhood so aptly executed as to pass for the real thing." THE MISTAKE THE BERKELEY PROTESTERS MADE ABOUT MILO YIANNOPOULOS "The current debates regarding free speech tend to center as much on the rights of those making offensive statements as those potentially affected by what is being said." That article is weak, at best. In his view apparently, shutting down a university sanctioned speech with a violent protest is a tactical error, but he forgets it is also an infringement on the 1st amendment. tl:dr - "This is precisely the reason the black-clad rioters among the protesters at Berkeley who prevented Yiannopoulos from speaking—the school cancelled the event, citing danger to the public—served his ultimate interests. It was a tactical error that ignored everything 2016 should have taught us. As with Trump, who treats every reasonable criticism of his Presidency as another nail in a crucifixion, and his electorate, which eagerly co-signs that sentiment, Yiannopoulos has emerged from Berkeley as both the putative victim and victor."
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#2606595 - 02/16/17 02:25 PM
Re: Milo appearing on Bill Maher Show this Friday
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For those who don't understand what Fascism philosophy entails (GDaddy), from the father of Fascism Benito Mussolini:
"...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absurd conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress.... "
Further:
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights:
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need."
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
Rampant Sexism:
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts:
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
etc ...
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#2606601 - 02/16/17 02:30 PM
Re: Milo appearing on Bill Maher Show this Friday
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Duke status

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That article is weak, at best. In his view apparently, shutting down a university sanctioned speech with a violent protest is a tactical error, but he forgets it is also an infringement on the 1st amendment.
I don't know how is "violence" relevant here. It happened once by a small handful of people. Milo has been shut down peacefully at many other venues and you also have Jeremy Scahill's thoughtful explanation of the boycott above. That's called exercising the 1st amendment, not infringing upon it. Milo has million other venues to continue to spew his bullshit. No rights infringed upon.
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#2606610 - 02/16/17 02:36 PM
Re: Milo appearing on Bill Maher Show this Friday
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Duke status

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That article is weak, at best. In his view apparently, shutting down a university sanctioned speech with a violent protest is a tactical error, but he forgets it is also an infringement on the 1st amendment.
I don't know how is "violence" relevant here. It happened once by a small handful of people. Milo has been shut down peacefully at many other venues and you also have Jeremy Scahill's thoughtful explanation of the boycott above. That's called exercising the 1st amendment, not infringing upon it. Milo has million other venues to continue to spew his bullshit. No rights infringed upon. Threats of violence have caused several of those cancellations. A threat is an act, and the people who made those threats infringed on the rights of others. It's 100% true that the 1A does not require anyone to provide a platform for speech they disagree with, and may that ever be so. But the use of violence and threats of violence to shut down events that were lawfully organized is not a peaceful form of protest. The student groups entered into contract with the universities and their rights per those contracts were subsequently violated.
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#2606612 - 02/16/17 02:38 PM
Re: Milo appearing on Bill Maher Show this Friday
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Duke status

Registered: 11/21/08
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For those who don't understand, fascism has a political definition but it also has a non-political definition that also speaks to intolerance and authoritrianism.
Suffice it to say there is some disagreement among the academics about the premise that fascism is strictly a right wing ideology. LOL Good one. "ANTIFA" is an effect - not the cause. Logic, learn it.
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#2606621 - 02/16/17 02:43 PM
Re: Milo appearing on Bill Maher Show this Friday
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Registered: 03/28/03
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That article is weak, at best. In his view apparently, shutting down a university sanctioned speech with a violent protest is a tactical error, but he forgets it is also an infringement on the 1st amendment.
I don't know how is "violence" relevant here. It happened once by a small handful of people. Milo has been shut down peacefully at many other venues and you also have Jeremy Scahill's thoughtful explanation of the boycott above. That's called exercising the 1st amendment, not infringing upon it. Milo has million other venues to continue to spew his bullshit. No rights infringed upon. Well, violence is relevant because that is what shut down the speech in Berkeley, which is the subject of the article you cited. Preventing somebody from speaking at a sanctioned event is basically the definition of infringing upon their rights. That is a big deal. But, you also need to consider the effects of this activity in the future. If you tolerate that sort of behavior now, you shouldn't oppose that sort of behavior later when the group doing it is a group you don't agree with in the future. Which would be stupid. Don't be that guy.
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