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#2590995 - 01/11/17 12:38 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: Sharkbiscuit]
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Originally Posted By: Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted By: bobwarren
Originally Posted By: 20W-50 and blood
Originally Posted By: maybe
My apologies if I came off as "neoprene tough guy" Wasn't my intention. I have nothing to prove as well. I guess I just run warmer than most folks and don't like being weighed down with neoprene.
Cheers...

its not atough guy thing at all..its called enjoying being in the ocean and being free


It's hard to enjoy it and be free when you're shivering and stiff from the cold. Well, you might not be shivering, but I see people in old leaky 3/2's shivering their ass off in mid to low 50's water, wondering why they're so cold. Many don't even consider a 4/3. I prefer to wear a 3/2 in those temps if the air is relatively warm but I've found that a 4/3 allows me to go without booties when I'd need/want them in a 3/2.


Don't see the point of the 4/3 here unless you are travelling. I'd just get a another new 3/2.

3/2 with booties is $ down to 55, below that, gloves come on. Wish I bought a hood in 2010, but still haven't, although I'd get a hood before I'd plunk down that kind of money for a 4/3.

I've seen 48/49 degree water, with waves, maybe 5x in 11 years, and it seems like half the winters it doesn't get below 55 anyway. I've had some pretty fun days between 53 and 51, but can you recall more than a 2-3 week stretch where it really stayed below 53? To me, it feels like equilibrium is 57-55 mid Winter, and warmer is odd, and colder requires persistent chill to keep it down.

Below about 58, I just can't deal without booties anyway.

YMMV.


I just HATE booties. I only wear the 4/3 on cold mornings for the most part, but if there's doubt over which to wear, I'll go for the 4/3. I've never found it "too warm" and I don't really notice a difference in mobility or anything over a 3/2 unless I'm really thinking about it.

My 4/3 is an O'neill Heat I got on sale for like $100 so it was worth it. Although I had to warranty it after only like 10 wears but it was free to fix. I agree I wouldn't plunk down $$$ for a 4/3 for NE FL. My Xcel Infiniti 3/2 is fine 95% of the time in the winter but it's nice to have the option of a 4/3 for someone like me who gets cold easily.


Edited by bobwarren (01/11/17 12:44 PM)

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#2591062 - 01/11/17 02:14 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: silentbutdeadly]
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I'll take a 4/3 no booties over 3/2 with booties. My new winter suit is a Isurus 4/3 (have it in a 3/2 as well). It feels about as thick as my 3/2 Flashbomb as it has no lineralso has compression neoprene that literally sticks to my skin. For something I wear 4-5 times a week (sometimes more), I'm happy to spend a little extra for the warmth, comfort, flex, etc. That said, I'm pretty damn slender; I don't have the natural insulation.
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#2591141 - 01/11/17 03:56 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: silentbutdeadly]
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Didn't mean to make a pissing match.

Gonna go ahead and brag about how many wetsuits I have in my rotation. Currently, the oldest is the Xcel @14 months:

- 1.5mm Oneil jacket
- 2mm SS Hurley 202.
- 3/2mm Hurley 302.
- 3/3.5mm Patagonia R2
- 4/3mm Xcel Infinity TDC
- 5/4mm Mutant

I spend 90% of my sessions in San Diego. You're all warmer blooded and tougher than me. However, I have never regretted having wetsuits to choose from on the mornings that were hard to get out of bed and into the water.

Also don't know how I went so long without 2 4/3's. Evening session is hard to follow up with dawn patrol if you're putting on a freezing and wet neoprene.

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#2591199 - 01/11/17 04:55 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: silentbutdeadly]
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Regarding wet wetsuits, I use 2-3 jugs of water, filled up piping hot and turn the wet wetsuit right side - out, then put the jugs inside the wetsuit.

Presto, warm wet wetsuit, and I think it's actually warmer than a dry one.
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#2591258 - 01/11/17 06:41 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: sd_101]
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Originally Posted By: sd_101
Also don't know how I went so long without 2 4/3's. Evening session is hard to follow up with dawn patrol if you're putting on a freezing and wet neoprene.


If you're ever feeling it, splurge for a Yamamoto neoprene suit. Inside of my Isurus is about 95% dry from dawny by the time I get home from the office. Compare that to my R2, which takes a solid couple days to dry out fully.
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#2591363 - 01/12/17 01:41 AM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: bobwarren]
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Originally Posted By: bobwarren

It's hard to enjoy it and be free when you're shivering and stiff from the cold. Well, you might not be shivering, but I see people in old leaky 3/2's shivering their ass off in mid to low 50's water, wondering why they're so cold.

this is exactly how i grew up.....used bad 80s wetsuits....in the 90s. learned that minimal rubber, if not trunking it is a blast compared to wearing bad leaky rubber. then i got better rubber and it improved....then found being freee is still better. then scored my first all two mil and was in love...then got a short sleeve all 2 and loved it more.....everyone said it woudl be differnet after i lost weight. 60 lbs down, under 2 bills.....still hating the rubber.

gimme as much ocean as possible.
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#2591364 - 01/12/17 01:42 AM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: silentbutdeadly]
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lemme rephrase that........do you NOT want to bareback it?!
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#2592002 - 01/13/17 01:16 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: 20W-50 and blood]
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Originally Posted By: 20W-50 and blood
Originally Posted By: bobwarren

It's hard to enjoy it and be free when you're shivering and stiff from the cold. Well, you might not be shivering, but I see people in old leaky 3/2's shivering their ass off in mid to low 50's water, wondering why they're so cold.

this is exactly how i grew up.....used bad 80s wetsuits....in the 90s. learned that minimal rubber, if not trunking it is a blast compared to wearing bad leaky rubber. then i got better rubber and it improved....then found being freee is still better. then scored my first all two mil and was in love...then got a short sleeve all 2 and loved it more.....


+1 Got my first 2 mil last winter. Oneill Hyperfreak (I think)?? Stretchy and doesn't fatigue my shoulders. Its been great so far with water temps in the 50s.
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#2595844 - 01/22/17 07:44 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: nexttozen
u can solve all ur wetsuit prlms by buying a new fullsuit every season.


I do this. Wetsuits wear out twice as fast when you have to wear the same one all year.
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#2597834 - 01/26/17 10:35 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: silentbutdeadly]
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Lots of suits on Xcel site are 50% off right now. Just a heads up.

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#2598055 - 01/27/17 12:29 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: bobwarren]
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Originally Posted By: bobwarren
Lots of suits on Xcel site are 50% off right now. Just a heads up.


Dude thanks, most of the suit deals are for midgets and huge freaks but I just scored some rash guards and sun shirts for surfing and fishing. Great deals.
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#2598064 - 01/27/17 12:51 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: silentbutdeadly]
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got my excel 4/3 revolt yesterday ($225 at seshday)

im just under 6'1, about 200lbs, comparing body glove red cell 3/2 xl to xcel revolt 4/3 xl:

a bit tighter squeeze to get it on than my body glove but fits good once on. legs are much tighter at calves - which is good. body glove is loose at calves and a bit longer, so suit gets bunched up at the feet. lengthwise a better fit than body glove. seems a little roomy in the crotch area. definitely not too tight in the shoulder area - think paddling is gonna be good.

didn't wear it today as there was some size - thought it might be a bad day to break in a new suit.

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#2600958 - 02/02/17 10:57 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: silentbutdeadly]
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Picked up a Hyperflex Cyclone springsuit off Amazon for $20. Retails for $99 but Hyperflex stuff always seems to be discounted. But for $20 I figured why not. Haven't used it and won't for another month or two. But it's ok for what it is. Pretty stretchy but definitely not gummy soft. Medium short is spot on for me at 5'8" 160 lbs. The neck closure is a bit bulky and sloppy as it is on most low-mid range suits. The key pocket is just a wierd envelope thing inside the back zip with no chord so it's basically useless. Overall it's what you'd expect for a $99 suit discounted to $20.

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#2607363 - 02/17/17 05:22 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: silentbutdeadly]
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Anybody worn the O'Neill Psychotech booties? Accidentally grabbed the split toe instead of the round toe I tried on. Split toe is quite a bit tighter then the round toe. These things stretch out at all?

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#2607413 - 02/17/17 06:30 PM Re: The Great Unbiased Wetsuit Review Thread [Re: Emmohl80]
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Picked up a Psycho I on sale today as one of my suits crapped the bed. Decided to give Oneil another go after not owning one for years. Trusty shop manager told me they are lighter and dry quicker than the xcels. We shall see. Feels pretty nice and doesn't seem like it will be warm enough.
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