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#1230876 - 07/01/08 07:33 AM Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland
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Freedom and the View From Obamaland
By Jeffrey Lord
Published 7/1/2008 12:08:10 AM

Pull back for a moment from the day-to-day and see the pattern.

Talk radio. Oil. Guns. Global warming. Smoking.

On the surface this is a seemingly unconnected laundry list of issues, their connection one to another tangential at best. Or is it?

In the increasingly disturbing view we are all getting of the messianic world that is Obamaland, these subjects in fact have a chilling commonality.


* Talk Radio: Think back for a moment to that threatening letter sent earlier this year to Rush Limbaugh's business partners at Clear Channel Communications by Senator Harry Reid, the Democrats' Senate leader. It was signed by all Senate Democrats, prominently including Barack Obama. While Limbaugh famously turned the attempt to intimidate him into a hilarious charity bidding war that raised four million dollars for the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation, make no mistake. The idea behind the letter was an attempt by government officials to intimidate a private citizen into silence. To shut down Limbaugh's freedom to run his radio show the way he sees fit. Silencing freedom is also the point with the push by Obama supporters to revive the so-called Fairness Doctrine, a move that would effectively shut down the free-market world of talk radio as Americans by the millions have so enthusiastically come to know it.

* SUVs: Remember this gem a while back from Barack Obama?


"We can't drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world's energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we'll be fine. Don't worry about us. That's not leadership."

The point is not subtle. Obama is laying the ground work here for the potential banning of SUVs as well as pushing regulations that will tell all of us at exactly what temperatures we must heat or cool our homes. Over at the website BanSUVs.com, an outpost of the type of thinking that prevails in Obamaland, the goal, as the name of their site proclaims is just that: banning SUVs because they are "endangering peoples lives" and are "high polluting." The Obama point that we should no longer enjoy the freedom to "keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the tundra" has already emerged as a proposal in California. In this Obamaland vision the state would mandate that every heating and cooling system in a private dwelling include a "non-removable" FM receiver that would allow the government to decide the temperature inside your home.

* Global Warming: The answer in Obamaland is simple. Not only should there be no further debate ("Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers..." wrote Boston Globe columnist Ellen Goodman a while back), the demand is on for a Nuremberg-style trial for oil executives. Applauding the sentiments of climate "scientist" James Hansen, who suggested as much in a recent appearance before Congress, one enthusiastic denizen in the Daily Kos precincts of Obamaland put things more succinctly: "Put the bastards on trial on national television."

Are you seeing the thread here?

If not, there's more of this kind of thing. Also on Obama's list of things he either wants to ban or has considered banning are ammunition magazines, semi-automatic weapons, smoking (to be resolved with a federal ban on smoking in public places) and -- at one now infamous campaign rally -- Muslim women wearing the hijab. The Obama campaign apologized for the latter incident, but the apology only underscores the point. While his staffers may be sensitive to the image of Muslims in the Obama campaign, they either know or intuit that the idea of restricting the freedom of others is, as a rule, perfectly acceptable in Obamaland.


FOLLOW ALONG NOW to a just-released Obama commercial featuring Obama himself. Doubtless un-intentionally it speaks exactly to what lies at the heart of the philosophical heart of Obamaland. Praising himself for spurning a post-Harvard Law School opportunity to work on Wall Street in the heart of free-market capitalism, the candidate boasts of his decision instead to "go to Chicago...helping neighborhoods devastated when steel plants closed." Helping them? Did he go out and raise capital to start a new business that would bring jobs to the neighborhood? Well, no. Job creation through the free market system was not at all what Obama had in mind. What did he have in mind as to how one creates jobs? As Obama himself expressed it in a 1995 interview with the Chicago Reader, Obama wondered if he could "figure out ways to use the political process to create jobs for our communities?"

In other words, when faced with a disagreeable problem (in this case the lack of jobs) the answer for Obama always seems to get back to the manipulation of the political process to achieve the desired result.

Are Obamalanders uncomfortable with the free-market driven success of talk radio? Then they will "figure out ways to use the political process" to shut it down. In the case of talk radio, how else to explain the threatening Reid-Obama letter to Rush Limbaugh's business partner? How else does one explain the attempt to retrieve the "Fairness Doctrine" from the dustbin of history? These are nothing more or less than the "use of the political process" to subvert someone else's freedom. Period.

Are Obamaland followers hostile to oil? Do they hate SUVs? Do they think you have no right to heat or cool your own home beyond what they consider politically correct? Do they think you should pay $5 -- or $6 or $7 or $8 or more -- for gas at the pump to ensure you conform to the Obamaland world-view? Yes, they do think all of this and their Obamaland answer is inevitable. They will "use the political process" to stop drilling off shore in its tracks. So too with stopping the use of oil shale or ANWR or anything else that even hints at allowing average Americans their basic freedom to drive whatever vehicle wherever they damn well please whenever they damn well please. In Obamaland it is not only perfectly acceptable, it is gospel from the secular bible that they must use the political process to stop refineries from being built, to keep nuclear power plants from being built, to keep coal from being burned. Use the political process to forcibly mandate the temperature inside every single American home. As a matter of fact, why not just go all the way and nationalize the oil companies -- this actually being suggested by Obamaland's New York Congressman Maurice Hinchey.

Tired of debating global warming? Use the political process to set up show-trials for oil company executives. Who will be around to object if you have successfully used the process to silence the world of talk radio?

As we learned in one of his last debates with Mrs. Clinton, presented with the economic fact-of-life that cutting the capital gains tax resulted in increased revenue for the government, not, as he was portraying it, a loss, the ringmaster of Obamaland simply shrugged, saying he would raise it anyway because to do anything else was "unfair." The idea of your having the freedom to do with your money as you please -- even when doing so increases the revenues for Washington politicians to spend -- was simply irrelevant to Obama. No, your freedom must pass his "fairness test" -- and if it doesn't, well, too bad. Your income is going to suffer right along with your freedom to listen to talk radio, drive an SUV, debate global warming, eat what you please, heat your house the way you please or -- the latest Supreme Court decision notwithstanding -- own a gun if you please.

Is there a problem in Obamaland with your constitutional right to own a gun? It's an easy-to-solve problem, as state senate candidate Obama proposed way back in 1996 when he filled out a questionnaire endorsing the idea of, you guessed it, just banning your freedom to own handguns. Interestingly, when this questionnaire came to light the Obama camp denied their candidate had done this, which prompted the Politico to come up with an amended copy of the questionnaire plainly showing the candidate's own handwriting. The Obamaland acolytes say their leader favors the use of guns for hunting and target shooting, but on the issue of handguns -- well -- his stiff response to the 5-4 decision of the Court that insists gun ownership is, in fact, a constitutional right suggests that handguns in Obamaland would go the way of talk radio and oil. The first Supreme Court vacancy announcement would have barely made it onto the cable news networks in an Obama Administration before an Obamalander would be named to fill the vacancy on the understanding that at the first opportunity he or she can grandly reverse that 5-4 decision and effectively ban the entire Second Amendment.


SO LET'S SUM UP what America would look like in an age of Obama.

To start there would be no more driving SUVs. No more Rush. For God's sake absolutely no driving your SUV while listening to Rush. No more eating whatever you want. Definitely no keeping your home as warm or as cool as you prefer. No capital gains cuts because they are unfair. Your guns will be banned. And if you have a different opinion on global warming? All those lofty supporters of rights for terrorists are going to strip every oil executive in America of theirs in a heartbeat, live and in living color.

Is anyone paying attention here? Today the targets are talk radio, oil, SUVs, or guns or debates on global warming and so on. But what about tomorrow and the day after that and the day and years after that? What freedoms will next be targeted with that deadliest trademark of an Obamalander -- moral superiority? What do we have when the sole purpose of the government as run by the chilling principles of Obamaland is to "use the political process" to remove freedoms large and small one by one by one?

Someone needs to speak it plainly.

The word is fascism.
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#1230877 - 07/01/08 11:32 AM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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Also on Obama's list of things he either wants to ban or has considered banning are ammunition magazines, semi-automatic weapons, smoking (to be resolved with a federal ban on smoking in public places)




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#1230878 - 07/01/08 12:07 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Badfish]
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Also on Obama's list of things he either wants to ban or has considered banning are ammunition magazines, semi-automatic weapons, smoking (to be resolved with a federal ban on smoking in public places )









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#1230879 - 07/01/08 12:58 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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He wants to limit kiteboarding as well.
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#1230880 - 07/01/08 01:45 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: swegin]
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What about pitbulls?
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#1230881 - 07/01/08 03:10 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: geedee]
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What about pitbulls?




Pitbull are toast. Or on toast. Or something like that.


Also, van Halen on toast!
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#1230882 - 07/02/08 11:08 AM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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I see a lot of logical leaps between what Obama says and the conclusions the author makes.

But more importantly, you have no ***** clue what fascism is. Fascism at its core is collusion between the government and big business. The ideology came about when Socialists came together with Monarchists. These strange bedfellows came together because they both were convinced classical liberalism (which is nothing like your definition of liberalism. classical liberalism is basically free market capitalism) had caused western society to go into a tailspin.

Anyways, the author's fearmongering seems to describe a despot or a tyrant as opposed to a fascist.


Edited by misterhat (07/02/08 11:18 AM)

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#1230883 - 07/02/08 11:42 AM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: misterhat]
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I see a lot of logical leaps between what Obama says and the conclusions the author makes.

But more importantly, you have no ***** clue what fascism is. Fascism at its core is collusion between the government and big business. The ideology came about when Socialists came together with Monarchists. These strange bedfellows came together because they both were convinced classical liberalism (which is nothing like your definition of liberalism. classical liberalism is basically free market capitalism) had caused western society to go into a tailspin.

Anyways, the author's fearmongering seems to describe a despot or tyranny as opposed to a fascist.





A collusion between a socialist government and big business is fascism huh?

To quote George Carlin that sounds like Jumbo Shrimp or Plastic Glass.
A popular myth.

Fascism is a secular State worshipping religion ,the anti smoking/SUV yada-yada stuff is the same kind of rallying crap that Italian and German fascists(gasp,Nazi's)were using in 20's and 30's.

Replace the militarism of the Italian and German fascists and the genocidal tendencies of the Hun with pacifism and you get the Democrat party platform.

Obama and his buddies in the Democrat party are Mommy State Fascists.


They're "experts",you and I are stupid and need them to engineer society for our own good.



No thank you.
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#1230884 - 07/02/08 02:08 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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I see a lot of logical leaps between what Obama says and the conclusions the author makes.

But more importantly, you have no ***** clue what fascism is. Fascism at its core is collusion between the government and big business. The ideology came about when Socialists came together with Monarchists. These strange bedfellows came together because they both were convinced classical liberalism (which is nothing like your definition of liberalism. classical liberalism is basically free market capitalism) had caused western society to go into a tailspin.

Anyways, the author's fearmongering seems to describe a despot or tyranny as opposed to a fascist.





A collusion between a socialist government and big business is fascism huh?

To quote George Carlin that sounds like Jumbo Shrimp or Plastic Glass.
A popular myth.

Fascism is a secular State worshipping religion ,the anti smoking/SUV yada-yada stuff is the same kind of rallying crap that Italian and German fascists(gasp,Nazi's)were using in 20's and 30's.

Replace the militarism of the Italian and German fascists and the genocidal tendencies of the Hun with pacifism and you get the Democrat party platform.

Obama and his buddies in the Democrat party are Mommy State Fascists.


They're "experts",you and I are stupid and need them to engineer society for our own good.



No thank you.





You have no business quoting George Carlin...I think its abundantly clear what side of this argument he'd be on.

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#1230885 - 07/02/08 02:50 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: GetShacked]
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Quote:

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I see a lot of logical leaps between what Obama says and the conclusions the author makes.

But more importantly, you have no ***** clue what fascism is. Fascism at its core is collusion between the government and big business. The ideology came about when Socialists came together with Monarchists. These strange bedfellows came together because they both were convinced classical liberalism (which is nothing like your definition of liberalism. classical liberalism is basically free market capitalism) had caused western society to go into a tailspin.

Anyways, the author's fearmongering seems to describe a despot or tyranny as opposed to a fascist.





A collusion between a socialist government and big business is fascism huh?

To quote George Carlin that sounds like Jumbo Shrimp or Plastic Glass.
A popular myth.

Fascism is a secular State worshipping religion ,the anti smoking/SUV yada-yada stuff is the same kind of rallying crap that Italian and German fascists(gasp,Nazi's)were using in 20's and 30's.

Replace the militarism of the Italian and German fascists and the genocidal tendencies of the Hun with pacifism and you get the Democrat party platform.

Obama and his buddies in the Democrat party are Mommy State Fascists.


They're "experts",you and I are stupid and need them to engineer society for our own good.



No thank you.





You have no business quoting George Carlin...I think its abundantly clear what side of this argument he'd be on.




I wasn't attributing an opinion to him bonehead.....
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#1230886 - 07/02/08 04:35 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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I see a lot of logical leaps between what Obama says and the conclusions the author makes.

But more importantly, you have no ***** clue what fascism is. Fascism at its core is collusion between the government and big business. The ideology came about when Socialists came together with Monarchists. These strange bedfellows came together because they both were convinced classical liberalism (which is nothing like your definition of liberalism. classical liberalism is basically free market capitalism) had caused western society to go into a tailspin.

Anyways, the author's fearmongering seems to describe a despot or tyranny as opposed to a fascist.





A collusion between a socialist government and big business is fascism huh?

To quote George Carlin that sounds like Jumbo Shrimp or Plastic Glass.
A popular myth.

Fascism is a secular State worshipping religion ,the anti smoking/SUV yada-yada stuff is the same kind of rallying crap that Italian and German fascists(gasp,Nazi's)were using in 20's and 30's.

Replace the militarism of the Italian and German fascists and the genocidal tendencies of the Hun with pacifism and you get the Democrat party platform.

Obama and his buddies in the Democrat party are Mommy State Fascists.


They're "experts",you and I are stupid and need them to engineer society for our own good.



No thank you.





you're putting too much weight into buzzwords and rhetoric.

the relationship between socialism and fascism is in a way comparable to judaism and christianity. one is essentially an offshoot of the other and they share a few common traits, but in practice they're still very different.

Whats the difference between state worship and patriotism? is it a degree thig?

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#1230887 - 07/02/08 04:48 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: misterhat]
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Quote:

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I see a lot of logical leaps between what Obama says and the conclusions the author makes.

But more importantly, you have no ***** clue what fascism is. Fascism at its core is collusion between the government and big business. The ideology came about when Socialists came together with Monarchists. These strange bedfellows came together because they both were convinced classical liberalism (which is nothing like your definition of liberalism. classical liberalism is basically free market capitalism) had caused western society to go into a tailspin.

Anyways, the author's fearmongering seems to describe a despot or tyranny as opposed to a fascist.





A collusion between a socialist government and big business is fascism huh?

To quote George Carlin that sounds like Jumbo Shrimp or Plastic Glass.
A popular myth.

Fascism is a secular State worshipping religion ,the anti smoking/SUV yada-yada stuff is the same kind of rallying crap that Italian and German fascists(gasp,Nazi's)were using in 20's and 30's.

Replace the militarism of the Italian and German fascists and the genocidal tendencies of the Hun with pacifism and you get the Democrat party platform.

Obama and his buddies in the Democrat party are Mommy State Fascists.


They're "experts",you and I are stupid and need them to engineer society for our own good.



No thank you.





you're putting too much weight into buzzwords and rhetoric.

the relationship between socialism and fascism is in a way comparable to judaism and christianity. one is essentially an offshoot of the other and they share a few common traits, but in practice they're still very different.

Whats the difference between state worship and patriotism? is it a degree thig?






Patriots generally fear god.

The fascist state has no God but the State.When man or the State is God it's led to some extremely nasty behavior like the Holocaust,Gulags etc.-etc.

This is one reason why even though I'm fairly agnostic-I always remind my Secular Liberal Christian bashing friends that the Godless Commie/Fascist/Socialist/Nazi's murdered more humans in the 20th century than all religions combined ever.
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#1230888 - 07/02/08 05:15 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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I see a lot of logical leaps between what Obama says and the conclusions the author makes.

But more importantly, you have no ***** clue what fascism is. Fascism at its core is collusion between the government and big business. The ideology came about when Socialists came together with Monarchists. These strange bedfellows came together because they both were convinced classical liberalism (which is nothing like your definition of liberalism. classical liberalism is basically free market capitalism) had caused western society to go into a tailspin.

Anyways, the author's fearmongering seems to describe a despot or tyranny as opposed to a fascist.





A collusion between a socialist government and big business is fascism huh?

To quote George Carlin that sounds like Jumbo Shrimp or Plastic Glass.
A popular myth.

Fascism is a secular State worshipping religion ,the anti smoking/SUV yada-yada stuff is the same kind of rallying crap that Italian and German fascists(gasp,Nazi's)were using in 20's and 30's.

Replace the militarism of the Italian and German fascists and the genocidal tendencies of the Hun with pacifism and you get the Democrat party platform.

Obama and his buddies in the Democrat party are Mommy State Fascists.


They're "experts",you and I are stupid and need them to engineer society for our own good.



No thank you.





you're putting too much weight into buzzwords and rhetoric.

the relationship between socialism and fascism is in a way comparable to judaism and christianity. one is essentially an offshoot of the other and they share a few common traits, but in practice they're still very different.

Whats the difference between state worship and patriotism? is it a degree thig?






Patriots generally fear god.

The fascist state has no God but the State.When man or the State is God it's led to some extremely nasty behavior like the Holocaust,Gulags etc.-etc.

This is one reason why even though I'm fairly agnostic-I always remind my Secular Liberal Christian bashing friends that the Godless Commie/Fascist/Socialist/Nazi's murdered more humans in the 20th century than all religions combined ever.




Funny you mention gulags...who are the proponents of Gitmo? You and other god fearing neo-cons like yourself.

That said being a patriot has nothing to do with god.

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patriot |&#712;p&#257;tr&#275;&#601;t|noun
a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.




And then there's that dreaded word you like to throw around and associate with Liberals...you know what I'm talking about...Fascism.

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fascism |&#712;fa sh &#716;iz&#601;m| (also Fascism)
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
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The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (192243), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.



DERIVATIVES
fascist noun & adjective
fascistic |fa&#712; sh istik| adjective
ORIGIN from Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, political group, from Latin fascis (see fasces ).





You say because patriots don't think of the state as a god its somehow safer. What about when they think of the state as God's state as if America is more blessed by God than any other state...isn't that kind of the same concept?

Let's see

right wing? - check. Do I need to explain that one?

authoritarian? - check. Hmm lets see who wants to erase the checks and balances of our gov't in place of a supreme leader?

intolerant? - check. Hmm who hates immigrants? Who hates gays? Who hates muslims?

demogogic approach? - check. When was the last time a Republican said anything rational?

supremacy of one national or ethnic group? - this is a grey area but why just ethnic or national? Why not religious as in Christian. You guys all think of us as a Christian country who want Biblical law which clearly shows signs of religious elitism and a wish for Christian supremacy. It applies in my book so CHECK.

Now tell me which american political ideology really leans towards fascism? Look in the mirror amigo

I find it really ironic that you slap liberals with the fascist label for not having a god while also slapping the label upon "islamofascists" who have a god but not a state...hmm which is it? Can't really have it both ways. It's pretty clear that fascism is nothing more than a boogey man word that you like to slap on anyone you disagree with. The irony is that neo-cons fit the fascist mold more than both liberals and islamic fundamentalists.


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#1230889 - 07/02/08 06:36 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: Knuckledragger]
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I always remind my Secular Liberal Christian bashing friends that the Godless Commie/Fascist/Socialist/Nazi's murdered more humans in the 20th century than all religions combined ever.




Complete bullshit. Cite *any* mainstream source for that statement.

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#1230890 - 07/02/08 07:01 PM Re: Life and (non)Liberty in Obamaland [Re: rocklobster]
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I always remind my Secular Liberal Christian bashing friends that the Godless Commie/Fascist/Socialist/Nazi's murdered more humans in the 20th century than all religions combined ever.




Complete bullshit. Cite *any* mainstream source for that statement.




If its true than maybe all of us godless liberals should convert to islamic fundamentalism and less people will die right?

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